QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:29 am

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mmmc_35 wrote:Mahomes my favorite QB in the class. He still throws off balance and trusts his arm to much. But that kid is going to be special.
He still looks so raw, really needs to clean up his mechanics but I just love his "fuck you/never say die" attitude. Kid's going to be a blast to watch.
Given how maligned this class was coming out it'll be very interesting if there are three solid starters that result from it. Obviously a long way to go before that happens but it at least looks plausible at the moment.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:32 pm

I think in the end it's going to be a better class than people thought. Trubisky, Watson, and Mahommes look to be legit prospects. I think Kizer is a starter in the NFL, just not in Cleveland. Peterman, Beathard, and Dobbs are at least backup level guys. Kelly and Webb are still unknowns. Kaaya is kind of the odd one out...I don't think he even made it through camp.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:20 pm

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wab wrote:Did you find yourself watching Albert Wilson in every clip?
DUDE YES!!!

I fucking paused the "tape" and looked him up because I was like who the FUCK is this kid!? My lord that short area burst and the way they kept having him run those jerk routes.
Get ready to see him in Navy and Orange :)
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:21 pm

I liked Wilson in the tape but I'd point out that there were multiple guys open on most plays. Nagy was killing them on the chalkboard and protection seemed to be the determining factor on a given play.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:36 am

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G08 wrote:
wab wrote:Did you find yourself watching Albert Wilson in every clip?
DUDE YES!!!

I fucking paused the "tape" and looked him up because I was like who the FUCK is this kid!? My lord that short area burst and the way they kept having him run those jerk routes.
Get ready to see him in Navy and Orange :)
Nailed it :grovel:
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First 41 starts:

Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:57 am

G08 wrote:
wab wrote:
G08 wrote:
wab wrote:Did you find yourself watching Albert Wilson in every clip?
DUDE YES!!!

I fucking paused the "tape" and looked him up because I was like who the FUCK is this kid!? My lord that short area burst and the way they kept having him run those jerk routes.
Get ready to see him in Navy and Orange :)
Nailed it :grovel:
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:18 pm

:shock:
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First 41 starts:

Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: QB Prospect: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:20 pm

UOK wrote: I still predict, and we should double check this thread in months, that barring injury Rudolph will go top 5, if not top 3.

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UOK wrote:Some of Mahomes highlights get me pretty excited. I like how dynamic he can be with his feet and making plays where none are available.

Other highlights give me flashes of Henry Burris, and worrying if he's going to be able to hang w/ NFL quality secondaries.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:23 pm

G08 wrote:Keep an eye on this kid... just turned 21 and is currently a Junior.
Kept an eye on him alright... watched him slide right past us and into KC's lap at #10. Fack.
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First 41 starts:

Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:38 pm

Didn't everyone go goo-goo gah-gah over RG III and Kappy.

I also luved Mahones and thought he was best QB in draft. That being said I am very happy with Mitchell right now as well.

Though if you ask my kid he will tell you I would of swapped first rounders that year and traded for Jimmy G.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:37 pm

None of this is to bag on Mitch Trubisky -- I'm a big fan of the kid as well -- I just don't think his upside is the same as Patrick Mahomes. Not a lot of dudes on this planet with his combination of size, speed and arm strength.

Then you add his toughness and character and you have a potentially elite prospect.
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First 41 starts:

Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:58 am

This is going to be one of those Chandler Jones vs Shea Mcclellin things. (Not suggesting Trubs will be Shea)
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:36 am

This dude makes things look too easy. After watching that no look pass.... he can do things no one can.

https://sports.yahoo.com/patrick-mahomes-slings-no-look-pass-upends-entire-game-football-201832845.html
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:11 pm

G08 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:21 am
This is a very, very early "MY GUY!" from me :arrow: it's telling of how poorly I'm expecting this season to go :(

That being said, here's some very quick thoughts of mine on the kid:

I'm simply enamored by his athleticism, arm strength, size, and really his character: people have raved about it. His father played professional baseball and the kid spent a lot of his youth around professional athletes and it seems like it has rubbed off on him.

6'3" 230 lbs and he has a RIFLE for an arm (no joke, he can throw it 65 yards from his knees). He's this odd mix of Favre/Manziel/Rodgers when you look at his elite traits, but he still needs at least one year on the bench refining his mechanics (I don't like where he holds the ball nor how he stands in the pocket, needs to clean up his footwork as well) but the talent is there. He'll make some throws that will leave your jaw on the floor (across his body, but accurate and with zip) and other 'simple' throws that he will flat-out miss (read: mechanics).

I'm sure he'll move up the boards as the season progresses (of course, assuming his shoulder is healthy) but I'd gladly spend a 2nd or 3rd on the kid if he finishes out this season as I am expecting. He's not Russell Wilson, he's not Johnny Manziel, he's somewhere in the middle with a better arm than either.

Keep an eye on this kid... just turned 21 and is currently a Junior.

MVP in year 2, AFC Champion in year 3. God damn, kid.
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First 41 starts:

Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:32 pm

This thread makes me sad.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:55 am

Just goes to show how nothing really matters until these guys get to the next level.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:24 pm

UOK wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:55 am
Just goes to show how nothing really matters until these guys get to the next level.
Here's something we agree on.

Big jump.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:31 pm

UOK wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:55 am
Just goes to show how nothing really matters until these guys get to the next level.
I say, just goes to show the board members are better talent evaluators then the GM.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:12 am

So many strong armed QBs from pass heavy college offenses who teams fall in love with and haven't been effective pro QBs. Mahomes is the outlier.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:46 pm

mmmc_35 wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:58 am
This is going to be one of those Chandler Jones vs Shea Mcclellin things. (Not suggesting Trubs will be Shea)
Narrator voice: Trubisky turned out to be another Shea.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:07 pm

TheWorldBreaker wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:46 pm
mmmc_35 wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:58 am
This is going to be one of those Chandler Jones vs Shea Mcclellin things. (Not suggesting Trubs will be Shea)
Narrator voice: Trubisky turned out to be another Shea.
My brain instinctively read that in Morgan Freeman's voice.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:20 am

My brain went with Daniel Stern in The Wonder Years.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:11 am

Revisiting the posts in here is pretty fun... wonder where Adipost ended up, I see he hasn't been back here since 2017... he was just so sure Mahomes wasn't going to make it...
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:07 pm

G08 wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:21 am
This is a very, very early "MY GUY!" from me :arrow: it's telling of how poorly I'm expecting this season to go :(

That being said, here's some very quick thoughts of mine on the kid:

I'm simply enamored by his athleticism, arm strength, size, and really his character: people have raved about it. His father played professional baseball and the kid spent a lot of his youth around professional athletes and it seems like it has rubbed off on him.

6'3" 230 lbs and he has a RIFLE for an arm (no joke, he can throw it 65 yards from his knees). He's this odd mix of Favre/Manziel/Rodgers when you look at his elite traits, but he still needs at least one year on the bench refining his mechanics (I don't like where he holds the ball nor how he stands in the pocket, needs to clean up his footwork as well) but the talent is there. He'll make some throws that will leave your jaw on the floor (across his body, but accurate and with zip) and other 'simple' throws that he will flat-out miss (read: mechanics).

I'm sure he'll move up the boards as the season progresses (of course, assuming his shoulder is healthy) but I'd gladly spend a 2nd or 3rd on the kid if he finishes out this season as I am expecting. He's not Russell Wilson, he's not Johnny Manziel, he's somewhere in the middle with a better arm than either.

Keep an eye on this kid... just turned 21 and is currently a Junior.
Before turning 24.5 years of age, Patrick Mahomes has accomplished the following:

Super Bowl Champion
Super Bowl MVP
Regular Season MVP
5,000+ yard passing season
50 passing TD season

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First 41 starts:

Drew Brees: 61.2% | 8261 yards | 52 TDs | 37 INTs | 6.60 YPA | 82.2

Mitch Trubisky: 63.4% | 8554 yards | 48 TDs | 29 INTs | 6.7 YPA | 85.8
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:28 pm

The fact that he was the MVP was a sham. He played like shit for 45 minutes.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 pm

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Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:28 pm
The fact that he was the MVP was a sham. He played like shit for 45 minutes.
Yep. Shoulda been Damien Williams or Chris Jones.

But it's all about the marketability of QBs.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:49 am

I thought Damien Williams made a strong case.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:35 pm

I didn't think he should have been mvp either. He's still the best player in the NFL.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:28 am

thunderspirit wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 pm
wab wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:28 pm
The fact that he was the MVP was a sham. He played like shit for 45 minutes.
Yep. Shoulda been Damien Williams or Chris Jones.

But it's all about the marketability of QBs.
That SF defense deserves some credit. It definitely held that KC offense in check. KC was able to punch a few crucial short yardage 1st down and goalline runs through, though I believe that SF played the pass 1st almost all game. Bosa for instance was next to Mahomes on most passing plays. For a young QB to stay composed and deliver when needed, showed his mettle.
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Re: QB Prospect Discussion: Patrick Mahomes II, Texas Tech

Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:17 pm

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I thought Damien Williams made a strong case.

I thought the same as well. Had a very strong game. The league is driven by the QB position so no surprise.

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