2018 NFL Draft Prospects

[thunderspirit]

Adding Heistand to the staff makes the prospect of trying to develop an OL more palatable. I suppose we'll see if Jordan Morgan has value to the team. I also am a big, big fan of Will Hernandez out of TX-El Paso.

[G08]

Unless Chubb or Fitzpatrick are there, I'm hoping we trade down.

So many needs as the roster stands right now:

1 or 2 OLBs
2 or 3 WRs
2 or 3 CBs
2 OL
1 ILB
1 K

[The Marshall Plan]

Unless Chubb or Fitzpatrick are there, I'm hoping we trade down.

So many needs as the roster stands right now:

1 or 2 OLBs
2 or 3 WRs
2 or 3 CBs
2 OL
1 ILB
1 K

Roquan Smith looks pretty good at #8 with that list. Or you trade down with Buffalo and at #21 and #22 can you address two of those needs.

The first half of round 1 has got to be very lopsided with offensive players. They'll be good defensive options at #21 and #22.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Unless Chubb or Fitzpatrick are there, I'm hoping we trade down.

So many needs as the roster stands right now:

1 or 2 OLBs
2 or 3 WRs
2 or 3 CBs
2 OL
1 ILB
1 K

Roquan Smith looks pretty good at #8 with that list. Or you trade down with Buffalo and at #21 and #22 can you address two of those needs.

The first half of round 1 has got to be very lopsided with offensive players. They'll be good defensive options at #21 and #22.

If Buffalo burns 2 first round picks, it'll be to trade up to get a QB they want...most likely with Indy as the QB's could all be off the board by our pick...but you never know

[malk]

Unless Chubb or Fitzpatrick are there, I'm hoping we trade down.

So many needs as the roster stands right now:

1 or 2 OLBs
2 or 3 WRs
2 or 3 CBs
2 OL
1 ILB
1 K

Free agency changes that though. CB and WR I can see being sorted enough for us to knock them off the 1st round need list. Fuller and Amukamara to longer term deals sees CB drop off completely and I just don't see us going into the draft without another wideout on the roster, even if this year's free agents are a little underwhelming.

OLB, however, will be incredibly expensive to secure in FA so whilst I can see Pace trying to bring in someone to be a solid starter I don't see him breaking the bank to try and secure a difference maker. For OL we've already got too much tied up in Long and Sitton to pay for another expensive guard so the draft makes sense there.

ILB is down to how good they think Kwiatkoski and if there's a chance Roquan Smith is a generational talent.

OG has as close to can't miss as you get in Nelson.

What I like about the choice is that of the 5 positions of most need, we'll likely have the choice of taking the first off the board in all but OLB. If there's a run on QBs then I hope that we can fleece a good haul out of one of the better teams who rarely draft high who fall in love with a prospect from a position of need. Failing that Pace takes his favourite or perhaps drops down a little if he's happy enough with a few players left on his board.

[wab]

There's going to be a lot of value at OLB in the 30-50 range, so that sets up nicely for the Bears if they decide to go OL or CB in round 1.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

There's going to be a lot of value at OLB in the 30-50 range, so that sets up nicely for the Bears if they decide to go OL or CB in round 1.

Do you think the return of Fangio increases the chances of both Fuller and Prince returning? I do. I also like Callahan, and thought he had played well in the last couple of years. He could develop as well. I don't know how deep the draft is at CB, but I know we need some talent on the OL, given all of the injuries last year.

Here's something else I was thinking of. Do you think the addition of Hellfrich lights a fire under Long to get healthy, and return strong for his old OC? I think so. I'm not saying that Long was sandbagging, I'm just saying that it's going to provide extra motivation for him to be a healthy part of this offense.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Bears need another pass rusher, a WR, a RT, and a CB. In that order.

Isn't Morgan supposed to be a fairly highly touted prospect? I thought there was a lot of noise around him, when we picked him up. Maybe Hiestand can develop him.

[wab]

Thought to say about the corners. Fuller has played his best under Fangio but he’s also been in the doghouse under him. Amukamara has stated he wants to settle with one team for the rest of his career. I’d say it’s 50/50 for Fuller to return and 70/30 for Amukamara.

I don’t think Long needs motivation from his old OC. I think he has all the motivation in the world, but his body is shot.

As far as Morgan goes, he’s raw but talented. I think he was always supposed to be someone that potentially took over at guard. I think he was listed at 6’4 319 ish, which is basically the same as Sitton. He is definitely a guy that should be in the future plans.

[The Marshall Plan]

There's no need for a CB that hasn't had an INT in three years (Amukamara) and then for a guy that only played great in a contract year.

There's a reason why Pace went after Gilmore and Bouye.

It wouldn't bother me at all if we drafted a CB at #8.

[malk]

There's no need for a CB that hasn't had an INT in three years (Amukamara) and then for a guy that only played great in a contract year.

There's a reason why Pace went after Gilmore and Bouye.

It wouldn't bother me at all if we drafted a CB at #8.

Wait, did someone say Bouye?

Gonna go back to my interceptions are overrated schtick. The difference between a pass defended, or any other kind of forced incompletion, on 3rd down and an interception is the field position difference between the result of the interception and the punt return.

Marcus Peters has 19 interceptions in the past three years (which is pretty exceptional!). Then Reggie Nelson with 14, Darius Slay with 12 and 4 players with 11 and 5 players with 10. So those players with 10 are tied for 8th in the league.

Amukamara has 1 interception in the past three years which means the difference between him and the top 8 players in the league, for interceptions, over that three year period, is 3 extra interceptions per year.

I'm not going to advocate running a player out of town if they don't get enough interceptions, especially if part of that might be down to good play, see:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-peterson-amukamara-lead-nfl-in-receptions-allowed-per-snap-in-coverage

EDIT: Somewhat frustratingly my PFF subscription has run out and it isn't worth renewing. I would be interested to compare their coverage snap counts to the Pro Football Reference stats I've used above. Or even just snap counts (FO has these but I cannot be bothered combining them with the PFR data).

[Moriarty]

Bears need another pass rusher, a WR, a RT, and a CB. In that order.

Isn't Morgan supposed to be a fairly highly touted prospect? I thought there was a lot of noise around him, when we picked him up. Maybe Hiestand can develop him.

Some people had him as a midrounder (I didn't have time to study Gs last year). But he played at a small school, had very meh measurables, and got redshirted with a hangnail injury as a rookie. So my expectations aren't very high.

As far as Morgan goes, he’s raw but talented. I think he was always supposed to be someone that potentially took over at guard. I think he was listed at 6’4 319 ish, which is basically the same as Sitton. He is definitely a guy that should be in the future plans.

He was 6026 309. Definitely interior only.

[wab]

There's no need for a CB that hasn't had an INT in three years (Amukamara) and then for a guy that only played great in a contract year.

There's a reason why Pace went after Gilmore and Bouye.

It wouldn't bother me at all if we drafted a CB at #8.

The Bears went after those two guys not knowing how well the two they had would play. You can't just be like "oh they targeted corners last offseason" and pretend like nothing has changed since then.

[Hiphopopotamos]

Assuming Texas DB Holton Hill drops to the second round because of 'character concerns'* he would be an absolute steal in the second round. Great size/length at corner - coverage skills are there and he was very physical in the run game at Texas.


*Kid likes to smoke - shit should be legal anyways

[The Marshall Plan]

We had a 0 for turnover differential this year. We cannot concede the CB positions simply because Amukamara is a cover guy and Fuller had a great year last year.

We need ballhawks.

Regarding Marcus Peters. That guy was on the board too (along with Gurley and Beasley) when we drafted Kevin White.

[wab]

Marcus Peters is a turd. I don’t care how many picks he gets, he’s a turd.

[G08]

Marcus Peters is a turd. I don’t care how many picks he gets, he’s a turd.

Yep. I'd bet money that he wasn't even on Pace's board.

[RING4CHI]

I'm really intrigued by Shaquem Griffin. Obviously there's questions of how his situation would work/hold up in the NFL. But you know he's had to be a hard worker to get to where he's put himself in the position he's in.

[DaSuperfan]

Josh Jackson is my guy at 8 if we don't go for pass rusher or OL. Dude is a beast and a former WR - he's a true ball hawk.

[malk]

We had a 0 for turnover differential this year. We cannot concede the CB positions simply because Amukamara is a cover guy and Fuller had a great year last year.

We need ballhawks.

Regarding Marcus Peters. That guy was on the board too (along with Gurley and Beasley) when we drafted Kevin White.

Ballhawks, nope!

We had 22 takeaways this season, 15th in the league. Could we improve that? Sure, but the Vikings had 19, 23rd in the league and they were the best defence in points and yards. More interceptions are nice but there are many ways to skin a cat.

Look at it this way. The average interceptions per year of the top 5 players over different time periods (working back from 2017):

1 year (2017), 6.6
2 years, 5
3 years, 4.5
4 years, 4.2
5 years, 3.9
6 years, 3.7
7 years, 3.5

To me this demonstrates that, over any kind of extended period, around 4 interceptions per year is elite. But that elite level is 3 plays a year different to a decidedly non ballhawk like Amukamara who averages 1 interception per season over his 7 year career.

Bottom line, interceptions are a poor statistic to measure how good a CB is.

[The Marshall Plan]

We had a 0 for turnover differential this year. We cannot concede the CB positions simply because Amukamara is a cover guy and Fuller had a great year last year.

We need ballhawks.

Regarding Marcus Peters. That guy was on the board too (along with Gurley and Beasley) when we drafted Kevin White.

Ballhawks, nope!

We had 22 takeaways this season, 15th in the league. Could we improve that? Sure, but the Vikings had 19, 23rd in the league and they were the best defence in points and yards. More interceptions are nice but there are many ways to skin a cat.

Look at it this way. The average interceptions per year of the top 5 players over different time periods (working back from 2017):

1 year (2017), 6.6
2 years, 5
3 years, 4.5
4 years, 4.2
5 years, 3.9
6 years, 3.7
7 years, 3.5

To me this demonstrates that, over any kind of extended period, around 4 interceptions per year is elite. But that elite level is 3 plays a year different to a decidedly non ballhawk like Amukamara who averages 1 interception per season over his 7 year career.

Bottom line, interceptions are a poor statistic to measure how good a CB is.

You can't use any one metric to evaluate any player regardless of position.

Yes play-in play-out coverage is important. Can we at least agree that we need to do better than a guy who hasn't had a pick in three years?

We need to instill a fear in the QB of throwing the ball in a given direction. Nothing does that better than a pick 6. Make him look like shit on SportsCenter and all that social media crap. Turn the tide of the game within five seconds. Right now we don't have that.

[malk]

I'd be perfectly happy for Amukamara to come back. I'll take the guy who is more likely to stop the reception over the guy who goes for the interception and gives up the reception. CB is a definite need for us right now but if we bring back Fuller and Amukamara I'm happy to concentrate on other areas in the draft.

[bearsfaninaz]

Looking at the talent for the wr class this year outside of courtland Sutton there is no one I'd take in round 1 and I'd only take him if we trade back.
So I'm thinking the bears are going to draft two but in later rounds. Here's what I've liked from what I've seen granted only highlights.
Jaleel Scott out of new Mexico state
6'6 220 (little light) but makes amazing catches and good to decent burst.
Tre'quan Smith from ucf.
6'1 205 Had good senior bowl and looked to have a good burst and catch radius as well.
Biggest question will be route running and 40 time and scheme fit as well but right now I like those guys for when I think they will pick wr

[BamaBear09]

I'm really intrigued by Shaquem Griffin. Obviously there's questions of how his situation would work/hold up in the NFL. But you know he's had to be a hard worker to get to where he's put himself in the position he's in.

Yeah... there's something special about him... he played every defensive down for UCF in that bowl game and was running down plays late in the fourth quarter... he'd prob be in the conversation for high first round if he had both hands...

[malk]

I'm really intrigued by Shaquem Griffin. Obviously there's questions of how his situation would work/hold up in the NFL. But you know he's had to be a hard worker to get to where he's put himself in the position he's in.

Yeah... there's something special about him... he played every defensive down for UCF in that bowl game and was running down plays late in the fourth quarter... he'd prob be in the conversation for high first round if he had both hands...

At age four, his mother found him in the kitchen, attempting to use a butcher's knife to self-amputate his fingers due to the pain.

Jesus Christ!

It'd be a great story for him to make a 53 this year. I'll be looking to see when and where his name gets called.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Brooks and Jeremiah just gave us Denzel Ward in their latest mock. Not sure that I have him in the top 10, but looking for other opinions...

[wab]

10 might be a stretch because he’s like 5’9 - 5’10. Even though I like Ward an awful lot, I’d prefer Jackson or Fitzpatrick at corner.

[DaSuperfan]

10 might be a stretch because he’s like 5’9 - 5’10. Even though I like Ward an awful lot, I’d prefer Jackson or Fitzpatrick at corner.

I also prefer Jackson if we go CB. He's got WR hands (was a former WR) and has a knack for making the big play.

[G08]

Jackson is so freaking smooth in his movements, I think he's going to be a damned good one for a long time.

Edmunds or Jackson at 8 and I'm smiling.

[Atkins&Rebel]

Trey Wingo puts Ward right behind us to the 49ers