EDGE rusher talk

[crueltyabc]

I don't get the Vea at 8 thing. Payne (my fav) and Bryan are also legit and some people like Hurst (I don't see it but it supports my argument) so I think you have an opportunity to trade back and still get a good DT from that clump.

[thunderspirit]

My biggest concern with Edmunds is the fact that he's consistently out of position lol

108 tackles this season, 14 for a loss; 94 tackles last season, 16.5 for a loss.... but consistently out of position.

Edmunds averaged better than one TFL each game (1.03) during his Hokie career, and that includes his freshman season when he primarily played special teams. Some of that is testament to his speed, I'm certain of that.

But not all of it.

[DaSuperfan]

Thoughts on Lorenzo Carter in R2, if available?

[cblaz11]

Thoughts on Lorenzo Carter in R2, if available?

I'm a big Lorenzo Carter guy..His Notre Dame tape is off the charts. That being said, his other games are not nearly as impressive. Some of that is because he wasn't asked to consistently rush the passer, similar to Floyd.

The guy plays with a motor, shows pass rush ability, uses his hands well to shed blocks, and is a leader. He's a gym rat and his measurables are phenomenal. I like him, I think he could go anywhere from late 1st to mid 3rd.

[thunderspirit]

Thoughts on Lorenzo Carter in R2, if available?

Carter is a phenomenal, explosive straight-line athlete.

Carter's production has been wholly lackluster.

I thought he was a guy like Leonard Floyd, and would be overdrafted based on his athletic potential — but frankly, that's dissing what Floyd produced while at Georgia in three seasons versus Carter's four.

I am not a fan. Someone is going to see that speed and explosion and think they can make something with it. I hope it's not the Bears.

[cblaz11]

I'm a Carter fan..but I liked him a lot more as a 3rd or 4th rd pick

[G08]

Man... Davenport is a fucking brute, I just wish he didn't play so God damned tall as often as he did.

Could you imagine him coming off the EDGE opposite Akiem Hicks? Jesus that's a lot of humanity charging at you...

[Adipost]

But man is he big. How tall is he? 6-5? Does that mean we should also start him at shooting guard for the Bulls? I know he's shown zero ability to hit a jumper...or dribble, but we're drafting him as an edge rusher so why stop there?

[The Marshall Plan]

Man... Davenport is a fucking brute, I just wish he didn't play so God damned tall as often as he did.

Could you imagine him coming off the EDGE opposite Akiem Hicks? Jesus that's a lot of humanity charging at you...

You can coach that and we've got one of the best DCs to help him. That's why I'm hoping we pick him at 8.

[cblaz11]

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This is good tape

[G08]

I was reading up on him last night... apparently the dude is a huge introvert and has confidence issues. Not the end of the world, but I'm not sure I know of anyone like that in the NFL who has had success. Then again, kid's only 21.

[G08]

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/12/07/ma ... exas-2017/

This is good tape

All that NFL talent on North Texas' offensive line

Here he is against Texas A&M, notice how he gets stonewalled and disappears when he can't bully awful offensive tackles. Technique will help, but just running directly into a tackle, extending your arms and praying you can rock him back on roller skates won't work.

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[G08]

Brad Biggs: Would you like to Floyd drop in coverage less?

Ryan Pace: The best thing he does is rush the passer, but he’s also extremely athletic and he can do a lot of things in coverage that a lot of pass rushers can’t. Some of the guys we had were from defensive end backgrounds and they were standing up. One of the reasons we drafted Leonard was, first and foremost, we feel he can be a dominate pass rusher. But he’s athletic enough and he can change direction well enough that he can go into coverage and excel.
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BearsFansOnline: But we don't need anymore of that versatility! BOO-HISS

[UOK]

Brad Biggs: Would you like to Floyd drop in coverage less?

Ryan Pace: The best thing he does is rush the passer, but he’s also extremely athletic and he can do a lot of things in coverage that a lot of pass rushers can’t. Some of the guys we had were from defensive end backgrounds and they were standing up. One of the reasons we drafted Leonard was, first and foremost, we feel he can be a dominate pass rusher. But he’s athletic enough and he can change direction well enough that he can go into coverage and excel.
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BearsFansOnline: But we don't need anymore of that versatility! BOO-HISS

Sorry for not wanting to draft Amobi Okoye! C'MON

[wab]

Brad Biggs: Would you like to Floyd drop in coverage less?

Ryan Pace: The best thing he does is rush the passer, but he’s also extremely athletic and he can do a lot of things in coverage that a lot of pass rushers can’t. Some of the guys we had were from defensive end backgrounds and they were standing up. One of the reasons we drafted Leonard was, first and foremost, we feel he can be a dominate pass rusher. But he’s athletic enough and he can change direction well enough that he can go into coverage and excel.
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BearsFansOnline: But we don't need anymore of that versatility! BOO-HISS

That's not what I said... I asked if it made sense to have more of the same guy. I'm also the one who brought Edmunds name to life on this board. I'm a fan, obviously. I don't think it's crazy talk to wonder if he's the right pick though.

[Adipost]

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/12/07/ma ... exas-2017/

This is good tape

All that NFL talent on North Texas' offensive line

Here he is against Texas A&M, notice how he gets stonewalled and disappears when he can't bully awful offensive tackles. Technique will help, but just running directly into a tackle, extending your arms and praying you can rock him back on roller skates won't work.

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LOL. He had 11 tackles, 2 QB hits, 1 sack, 1 INT, and he drew a holding penalty in this game.

[cblaz11]

You see his strength every time he engages the OT..he's always rocking the blocker back.

Great breakdown of him and Landry here..

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[G08]

Brad Biggs: Would you like to Floyd drop in coverage less?

Ryan Pace: The best thing he does is rush the passer, but he’s also extremely athletic and he can do a lot of things in coverage that a lot of pass rushers can’t. Some of the guys we had were from defensive end backgrounds and they were standing up. One of the reasons we drafted Leonard was, first and foremost, we feel he can be a dominate pass rusher. But he’s athletic enough and he can change direction well enough that he can go into coverage and excel.
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BearsFansOnline: But we don't need anymore of that versatility! BOO-HISS

Sorry for not wanting to draft Amobi Okoye! C'MON

You keep referencing him... you realize he played DT right?

[G08]

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/12/07/ma ... exas-2017/

This is good tape

All that NFL talent on North Texas' offensive line

Here he is against Texas A&M, notice how he gets stonewalled and disappears when he can't bully awful offensive tackles. Technique will help, but just running directly into a tackle, extending your arms and praying you can rock him back on roller skates won't work.

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LOL. He had 11 tackles, 2 QB hits, 1 sack, 1 INT, and he drew a holding penalty in this game.

Watch the clip and focus on his pass rush and the INT was a gift. If you're impressed by what you see out of him on the whole in this game, I don't know what to tell you.

[G08]

You see his strength every time he engages the OT..he's always rocking the blocker back.

Great breakdown of him and Landry here..

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He's not, though.

As for Voch... that dude yaps way too much for my liking. I'd rather just watch what I can find and come to my own conclusions.

[Rusty Trombagent]

those voch breakdowns are borderline unwatchable.

[G08]

those voch breakdowns are borderline unwatchable.

I'm glad you feel the same way. I hit fast-forward three times and the screen image hasn't moved and he's rambling on about some nonsense. God-awful.

[Adipost]

You see his strength every time he engages the OT..he's always rocking the blocker back.

Great breakdown of him and Landry here..

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He's not, though.

As for Voch... that dude yaps way too much for my liking. I'd rather just watch what I can find and come to my own conclusions.

True dat, he rewinds plays to death

[G08]

I wish I could smash Harold Landry and Marcus Davenport into one person. That's who I'd want at 8

[EricTighe]

But you can't teach speed. That's why we drafted Floyd and White. Say what you will about Pace but he has stayed consistent in the first round. Athletic tall players (freaks) is what he looks for. So if you follow his drafting profile then Edmunds has to be the choice of all the defensive players. Both White and Floyd were said it would take two to three years for there game to match there athletic ability. Sounds familiar.

Like it or not.

[G08]

But you can't teach speed. That's why we drafted Floyd and White. Say what you will about Pace but he has stayed consistent in the first round. Athletic tall players (freaks) is what he looks for. So if you follow his drafting profile then Edmunds has to be the choice of all the defensive players. Both White and Floyd were said it would take two to three years for there game to match there athletic ability. Sounds familiar.

Like it or not.

Trust me I get it, but it's a huge projection and the uncertainty is annoying. I love the versatility that Edmunds affords you, I love Landry's ability to bend the edge, and I really like the brute strength that Davenport displays at times. I don't like Edmunds propensity to take false steps and mis-read certain plays (although you can mitigate that with coaching/reps and just having him focus on one task). I don't like Landry getting stuck on blocks and being passive at the point of attack (shorter arms don't help and can you teach him to play tougher?), and I don't like the rawness that I see out of Davenport and how better tackles can negate him. I watched his Pro Day positional drills and he was stiffer than I had anticipated.

It's an annoying EDGE class for me, very frustrating. Let's just hope Quenton Nelson is there at 8 for us to take and this all become moot.

[EricTighe]

I agree. In fact I would do flips if we drafted Nelson in the first and Braden Smith in the second.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/ ... id=2560042" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Notice how he was the number prep guard in the nation. His coach says he is the best player he ever coached as well. Wr have neglected the Line for far to long it is time to make it a strength.

Figuring out where to play them would be the O-line coaches problem. Probably one he would love to have.

[G08]

I agree. In fact I would do flips if we drafted Nelson in the first and Braden Smith in the second.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/ ... id=2560042" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Notice how he was the number prep guard in the nation. His coach says he is the best player he ever coached as well. Wr have neglected the Line for far to long it is time to make it a strength.

Figuring out where to play them would be the O-line coaches problem. Probably one he would love to have.

It's got to be one or the other man, can't take them both IMO.

[wab]

I agree. In fact I would do flips if we drafted Nelson in the first and Braden Smith in the second.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/ ... id=2560042" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Notice how he was the number prep guard in the nation. His coach says he is the best player he ever coached as well. Wr have neglected the Line for far to long it is time to make it a strength.

Figuring out where to play them would be the O-line coaches problem. Probably one he would love to have.

Not enough room for both, unless you think one can play tackle. Even then there's a logjam.

[Rusty Trombagent]

But you can't teach speed. That's why we drafted Floyd and White. Say what you will about Pace but he has stayed consistent in the first round. Athletic tall players (freaks) is what he looks for. So if you follow his drafting profile then Edmunds has to be the choice of all the defensive players. Both White and Floyd were said it would take two to three years for there game to match there athletic ability. Sounds familiar.

Like it or not.