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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:17 am 
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wab wrote:
I don’t really want to revisit it.
That's a totally fair answer. And I'll admit, its a weird thread to start 2 days before the next draft.

He just put that thing in a way I hadn't quite thought of. And for those (like me) who said that he went up and got his guy and I like that, I think it's fair to ask the question though. Just another case of the opportunity cost thing. :evilgrin:

And let's face it.... This place has been pretty dead for a few days. :-P

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:56 am 
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mmmc_35 wrote:
I agree it's over. They got their guy.

The question is more do you trust Pace? It's a larger question and not easily answered. To honest it's been discussed in several threads, and kind of beaten to death.


Not really. I trust him loosely to make the best decisions in the best interests of the team, but I don't automatically sign off on every move he makes. He's not been a bad GM at all, but at some point soon this team needs to start winning or else he'll be on his ass.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:24 am 
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IotaNet wrote:
wab wrote:
I don’t really want to revisit it.

Agreed. I was a big Deshaun Watson guy but I’m not the GM. Pace did what he needed to do to get HIS guy. Time will tell if he was right. Move on.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 am 
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I doubt Laurence Holmes has any more insight into what goes on in Halas Hall than we do, and his way too long after the fact take on the Trubisky draft action was more due to a deadline to submit something rather than any attempt to be informative or useful

so here ya go Laurence :flick:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:19 am 
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mmmc_35 wrote:
The question is more do you trust Pace?
Also a fair question. For me, the honeymoon period is over. It's time to put up. I think he's done some good things, for sure. And some not so good. He seems a bit Jerry Angelo-like in that we haven't seen his R1 picks--and quite high ones at that #7, #9 and #2--be difference makers on a team that desperately needs them. That said, I like what I've seen out of Trubisky quite a lot and you can see the elite flashes with Floyd. Obviously, a huge key for Pace is Nagy. That guy better be all that or Pace is sunk.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:46 am 
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I actually respect Holmes quite a great deal. He's been in the business long enough and has enough proximity to the team and players to know a thing or two.

That said, I don't feel like this line of thought is really...relevant, I guess. At least not right now.

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It's not helpful and it's also overreacting

I'll re-litigate: We got two starters and a contributor so it was a good draft. It's a shame that it cost us a third rounder this year but we have two fourth rounders. It'll be ok.

criticism of pace should focus on his inability to find FAs who can make lasting contributions despite the cap space he's had to work with but we can revisit that next offseason or hopefully we don't have to because the new FA group looks good


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crueltyabc wrote:
It's not helpful and it's also overreacting

I'll re-litigate: We got two starters and a contributor so it was a good draft. It's a shame that it cost us a third rounder this year but we have two fourth rounders. It'll be ok.

criticism of pace should focus on his inability to find FAs who can make lasting contributions despite the cap space he's had to work with but we can revisit that next offseason or hopefully we don't have to because the new FA group looks good


All of this requires future context that we simply don't have yet, indeed.

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I like Lawrence Holmes and think the world of him as a host.
I just think he's off-base on this one.

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If Pace hadn't traded at all, but still drafted Trubisky, Shaheen, Jackson, Cohen, Morgan, and a couple of busts... what would people say about that draft? That's a good draft right? WTF everyone? Do we have hundreds of think pieces written about the loss of a 3rd round pick?


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