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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:36 am 
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If Pace hadn't traded at all, but still drafted Trubisky, Shaheen, Jackson, Cohen, Morgan, and a couple of busts... what would people say about that draft? That's a good draft right?


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WTF everyone? Do we have hundreds of think pieces written about the loss of a 3rd round pick?


not only do we have hundreds of think pieces about the loss of a 3rd round pick, but we have people a full year after the fact writing new think pieces to bitch about it ... which makes me realize the word "think" in reference to all of this is not relevant to what we are seeing

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:43 am 
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I look at Pace's FA moves prior to this year as a guy who is building a house and rents an apartment by the month in the meantime. Dude just lives out of suitcases and boxes. It's not really a place where he's settled.

That's what his FA's have been because I don't think he saw Fox as his coach for more than the length of the rebuild, so he's been getting by on the free agency equivalent of month to month rent.

Now that Pace has a coach and a QB...and for the most part a roster...that aligns with his philosophy, he can start putting his clothes away.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:53 am 
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I like the analogy. He better start hanging up some pictures and cleaning the rat shit out of the closets.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:00 am 
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crueltyabc wrote:
... WTF everyone? Do we have hundreds of think pieces written about the loss of a 3rd round pick?
Actually, the problem is that "Draft Season" is too long and there's little else to talk about. If the Bulls were relevant, the writers would have something else to write about besides a draft that is taking entirely too long to get here.

Think about it -- we (the BFO community) are die-hard bears fans and even WE have been getting bored over the last couple of weeks.

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crueltyabc wrote:
... WTF everyone? Do we have hundreds of think pieces written about the loss of a 3rd round pick?
Actually, the problem is that "Draft Season" is too long and there's little else to talk about. If the Bulls were relevant, the writers would have something else to write about besides a draft that is taking entirely too long to get here.

Think about it -- we (the BFO community) are die-hard bears fans and even WE have been getting bored over the last couple of weeks.

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You're SO right about that.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:02 pm 
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I look at Pace's FA moves prior to this year as a guy who is building a house and rents an apartment by the month in the meantime. Dude just lives out of suitcases and boxes. It's not really a place where he's settled.

That's what his FA's have been because I don't think he saw Fox as his coach for more than the length of the rebuild, so he's been getting by on the free agency equivalent of month to month rent.

Now that Pace has a coach and a QB...and for the most part a roster...that aligns with his philosophy, he can start putting his clothes away.



Love this analogy. I've been saying something along these lines...Now that he has his coach and QB, we're already seeing a diferent approach in free agency with the long term deals.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:08 pm 
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I think Trubisky was the only QB on the board for the Bears and if they didn’t get him they were not going to draft any other QB in that draft.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:06 pm 
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Boris13c wrote:
crueltyabc wrote:
If Pace hadn't traded at all, but still drafted Trubisky, Shaheen, Jackson, Cohen, Morgan, and a couple of busts... what would people say about that draft? That's a good draft right?

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WTF everyone? Do we have hundreds of think pieces written about the loss of a 3rd round pick?

not only do we have hundreds of think pieces about the loss of a 3rd round pick, but we have people a full year after the fact writing new think pieces to bitch about it ... which makes me realize the word "think" in reference to all of this is not relevant to what we are seeing

It's not so much the loss of a 2 3rds and a 4th they're writing about. It's moving up only 1 slot, most likely needlessly, for those picks. That is a very uncommon scenario, and journalists know it. It's never a GM's job to panic, and when fortune is smiling at you, you have to be disciplined and ready enough to accept it. My opinion...it wasn't an impressive move for a GM, but then, identifying Mitchell's potential was (it seems, so far), and of course Pace will be judged by the net result of all his choices, weighted by importance.

The point posed by the journalist in the OP's post is legit, though what it really says about Pace is limited. What I mean by that is that you could also apply the same rationale nearly 20 years ago to every trade up in the first 5 rounds when Tom Brady was still available. The answer in every case would be, no, it wasn't worth it.


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Laurence Holmes wanted Watson. That's why he's being such a bitch over the trade up.

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The bottom line though is Ryan pace fooled both the 49ers and the teams trying to trade up with the 49ers to grab trubisky. By all accounts day of the draft, Kansas City was trying to trade up as well as Cleveland.

The people who say no one was trying to trade up are lying their asses off. Speaking of media here.

What ended up happening because the Bears and a very young general manager Hoodwinked a whole bunch of more veteran general managers, the immediately began the spin 2 the friends they have in the media.

And yes, some gms do have friends in the media who they leak things to. And the media are more than happy to push out articles so that way they can continue to get easy access and make their own jobs easier. It's not even true journalism but just the type of shady bullshit that happens.

So those GM's leaked to their media friends a bullshit story of what an idiot Ryan paces and because some of the media put that out there, it caught fire as the rest of the lazy media regurgitated it.

Meanwhile, the reason to leak the bullshit in the first place is they didn't want to have to answer to their owners the question of why a very young general manager just played them for idiots.

The key to knowing the truth of all of this is when one of the media got war room access to Lynch's first draft with the 49ers, they have him on record as saying he thought the Bears were trading up to get a linebacker. He had to be told that a trade up like that was likely for a quarterback. That rare nugget of Truth before the media spin began tells you the truth of what you needed to know. Combine that with the fact that Ryan Pace was actively negotiating with the Cleveland Browns at the same time to prevent them from trading up with the 49ers to grab a quarterback, and you have the total picture right there, before the media spin began to do damage on Ryan Pace in order to save their own skins.

What didn't help with this is that Ryan Pace got the Bears job over Chris Ballard who at least up until this draft has been a disaster for the Colts but has a Litany of friends in the media who are all but eager to cover for his ass. So is Ryan Pace picked up Matt Nagy as head coach and schooled him, they picked up on that old draft thread and tugged at it some more to cover for Chris Ballard.

The final nugget with regards to the shitball media is that when Jerry Angelo and Phil Emery War general managers with the Bears, there were people on staff who Phil Emery retained in the front offices who were informants for people like Mike Mulligan, Brad Biggs, and a lot of the older Bears beat reporters former beat reporters and media. Those people got easy stories and easy inside information. If you go back to the tenure of those general managers in wonder how teens were able to so easily jump in front of the Bears and grab a player who we all thought the Bears wanted, and how the beers would routinely get screwed out of those players, Leakey Halas Hall was a major reason.

That was free money for the media and they didn't give a shit that they were causing damage to the team because their lives is so-called journalists were made easier.

Ryan Pace comes along and cleans house. The Leaky people are gone. Ryan Pace runs the front office like the Patriots do. No information gets out.

So you have a bunch of Legacy fat cat former beat reporters who are bitching and moaning and hate Ryan pace for the Civil pedi reason that now they have to work for a living again rather than get fed easy stories.

If you look at the journalists in this town, it's no wonder why younger reporters on the beat like Adam Jahns hold a far more favorable opinion of Ryan pace than some of the Legacy morons like Brad Biggs, Mike Pompeii, and Mike Mulligan on the score.

Those old has beens have had their free ride cancelled. And they're bitter and crusty about it.

Now look at everything I just said in total. Now you know why teams are reluctant to trust the sports media. As fun as it is for us to talk sports and read about them, the business aspect of it is slimy, greasy, disgusting, and self-serving, and as far from real journalism as you could possibly get for many of the people in there doing whatever they have to in order to get a scoop. And they are more than willing to slander and burn anybody for a few extra clicks or a few extra headlines on the front of the newspaper...

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