R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

[beardownunder]

I find the trade interesting... If we suck and it's a top 10 #2, that's a bad deal because we'll obviously NEED that top 40 pick to get better. If we're a playoff team, good deal for us and we'll be able to live without it. It's like Ryan Pace is betting on ourselves here. And Anthony Miller MUST be a part of it.

Pace once again proves that right or wrong, he doesn't lack for cajones.

Part of it is the gamble that we won't be a top 10 pick. But there's also the Trubisky factor. He has to be good as soon as possible to keep the confidence growing in the organisation and more than that his own confidence. They've already invested so much in Mitch but another 4th rounder to make sure he has everything he needs, sure why not?

[G08]

Dam, cancelling my Bennie Fowler jersey order.

Well, at least wait till after training camp.... White might fracture his leg stretching in warmups....

How come?


Oh, I guess he’s been hurt. I didn’t realize that. Thanks for bringing it up.

Eye roll..... don't be a douche, your better than that.

Don’t make lazy posts. Your better than that.

Clearly neither of you are better than that.

#you're

[Rusty Trombagent]

Yup, longterm i love the move. Taylor Gabriel is a 4 year deal, but we can get out with minimal cap hit after two.
AR12 is a 3 year deal but the same, we can cut him after two with minimal cap hit. There's a very real chance that this is White's last year with the Bear's.

Having a young ascending talent in the pipeline means we have way more options down the line, and dont have a gun to our head to draft WR high or sign a pricey free agent.

[southdakbearfan]

Yup, longterm i love the move. Taylor Gabriel is a 4 year deal, but we can get out with minimal cap hit after two.
AR12 is a 3 year deal but the same, we can cut him after two with minimal cap hit. There's a very real chance that this is White's last year with the Bear's.

Having a young ascending talent in the pipeline means we have way more options down the line, and dont have a gun to our head to draft WR high or sign a pricey free agent.

Or not get in a situation where 2 people get injured and all of a sudden you have 3 UDFA WR's starting.

[Mikefive]

Millers pre-draft letter to NFL GMs. Gotta love it.

[Adipost]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

[G08]

This pick admittedly makes me dislike the Gabriel signing a bit.

They're different dudes... as of right now it looks like Robinson is our X, Gabriel our Z/Ze, and Miller our slot/Ze.

[wab]

This pick admittedly makes me dislike the Gabriel signing a bit.

They're different dudes... as of right now it looks like Robinson is our X, Gabriel our Z/Ze, and Miller our slot/Ze.

In fairness, I've disliked the Gabriel signing since it happened because he doesn't do anything Cohen can't. Drafting Miller just sealed it for me.

[Mikefive]

The only thing I didn't like about the Gabriel signing was the cost. $7M/year is excessive for any uncertain starter. But otherwise, I sure don't see anything wrong with having 2 guys who can outrun the defense. I know there's only one football, but that sure gives opposing safeties a lot to think about and will create a lot of space underneath. That's a very good thing.

[G08]

I think Nagy wanted to find his "Tyreek Hill" player for this offense and he saw it in Gabriel.

When you have this bad of an offense and whiffs on players like Kevin White, you're going to pay for it on the back-end in FA. I don't love what we paid him but it is what it is.

[G08]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

[Hiphopopotamos]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

And they're all on routine catches. Definitely has some focus issues they'll need to work on. Not sure how you coach that out of a guy - but he has way too good of hands to make those kinds of drops.

Despite the drops - I think this kid is going to kill it in thei KC/Philly/Oregon offense. His run-after-catch is fun to watch.

[G08]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

And they're all on routine catches. Definitely has some focus issues they'll need to work on. Not sure how you coach that out of a guy - but he has way too good of hands to make those kinds of drops.

Despite the drops - I think this kid is going to kill it in thei KC/Philly/Oregon offense. His run-after-catch is fun to watch.

For sure, he's got this ability which I haven't seen too much of where once he catches the ball he has this instantaneous burst to get him up the field, it's a blast to watch.

[G08]

[video][/video]

This is how you run a fucking slant

[Adipost]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

[G08]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

I'm curious about his number of targets

[Hiphopopotamos]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

[Adipost]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

[Hiphopopotamos]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

Peshek over at Rotoworld did an evaluation a few years back and found that 6-7% is the average drop% for college WRs.

[mmmc_35]

PFF has him at 95 out of 134 in drop rate. (my quick counting maybe off a few numbers). Bottom quarter of those drafted. It's not a hands problem, from what I have seen it's concentration.

[Adipost]

PFF has him at 95 out of 134 in drop rate. (my quick counting maybe off a few numbers). Bottom quarter of those drafted. It's not a hands problem, from what I have seen it's concentration.

The worry with me comes in the fact that Allen Robinson had the same concentration drop problem in 2016.

[G08]

An analyst opined that it was because Miller often times was too worried about YAC before he even secured the catch. Still... maddening to see.

[southdakbearfan]

Until he starts dropping them with the bears, he will get the benefit of the doubt with me.

[malk]

Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.

[Adipost]

I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.

191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes

[G08]

I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.

191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes

You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessor

[Sugashane]

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.

191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes

You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessor

I found it here - likely a PFF total.

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https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/4/19/17 ... s-seahawks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not a brofessor, but I am Dr Sexy, M.D.

[Adipost]

Anthony Miller

VS

Jarvis Landry

[malk]

Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.

So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.

Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.

191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes

You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessor

Fair, though if I wanted to quibble, and I always do, we haven't specified whether it is drop rate per target or catchable pass. The latter would make more sense but drops/catchable passes is incredibly subjective. I'd bet that quite a few receptions come off non "catchable" passes too!

[Hiphopopotamos]

Anthony Miller

VS

Jarvis Landry

Jarvis Landry ran a 4.77 at the combine. Miller, with a foot injury, ran a 4.5 (4.46-4.52) at his pro day.


I mean, I hope Anthony Miller can become as productive as Landry - and while physically they do seem like clones - Miller does have that one additional element (speed) that Landry lacks.