R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

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Mikefive wrote:So do we think Miller starts right away over White and Gabriel?

That would be pretty awesome to get 3 day 1 starters before we get to R4. (Apologies to our traded 2019 R2 pick.)
I think from a depth chart standpoint it’s Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, White.
Which will get tested often. If Nagy runs his offense the way HE wants to. There will be several 3 and 4 WR sets.
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IMO this is a special player. So far three outstanding picks in what I believe will be remembered as a great draft. My guess is that Gabriel, Grasu will be gone next year netting $10.0 in cap. If White's injury trend continues that is another 5.0, although I hope that he makes it this year and in the future
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I like this draft.. Pace and the coaches seem to have a direction Bears never did before..

Excited to see how this develops..
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any chance this miller can wear #86 at the WR position? might save a few hombres some pesetos
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I love this pick but don't like that we gave up a fourth this year and a second next year to get it done. I really liked that we had two fourths because I was hoping we'd address OL there. Even after the Daniels pick I was hoping for an OL in the fourth.

There's also no guarantees that this means anything about White although I think for him it's just a matter of how big of a bust he'll be. Not retaining Meredith forced our hand into needing to draft a WR.

Everybody likes to do the whole this player reminds me of that guy thing, but I see Miller and I think Steve Smith. I'm not saying he'll be as good, although he could be you never know, but that's what his game remind me of.

With GB drafting two CBs with their first two picks, is their plan to start those guys week 1? If so, have fun with that against AR15, Gabriel and Miller. I'm guessing Nagy can scheme that shit all day long.
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The Marshall Plan wrote:I love this pick but don't like that we gave up a fourth this year and a second next year to get it done.
The Bears didn't give up a fourth and a second for this pick. The Bears gave up a fourth round pick to get an advance on next year's second round pick.
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RING4CHI wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:I love this pick but don't like that we gave up a fourth this year and a second next year to get it done.
The Bears didn't give up a fourth and a second for this pick. The Bears gave up a fourth round pick to get an advance on next year's second round pick.
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RING4CHI wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:I love this pick but don't like that we gave up a fourth this year and a second next year to get it done.
The Bears didn't give up a fourth and a second for this pick. The Bears gave up a fourth round pick to get an advance on next year's second round pick.
Yeah, that's the way I see it. If it's a guy they really like why not? If your really looking to surround your young QB with talent is not a bad plan. Why wait?
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RING4CHI wrote:
The Marshall Plan wrote:I love this pick but don't like that we gave up a fourth this year and a second next year to get it done.
The Bears didn't give up a fourth and a second for this pick. The Bears gave up a fourth round pick to get an advance on next year's second round pick.
Even better= Next year's 2nd round pick has a 3rd round value This draft.
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I find the trade interesting... If we suck and it's a top 10 #2, that's a bad deal because we'll obviously NEED that top 40 pick to get better. If we're a playoff team, good deal for us and we'll be able to live without it. It's like Ryan Pace is betting on ourselves here. And Anthony Miller MUST be a part of it.

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Mikefive wrote:I find the trade interesting... If we suck and it's a top 10 #2, that's a bad deal because we'll obviously NEED that top 40 pick to get better. If we're a playoff team, good deal for us and we'll be able to live without it. It's like Ryan Pace is betting on ourselves here. And Anthony Miller MUST be a part of it.

Pace once again proves that right or wrong, he doesn't lack for cajones.
Part of it is the gamble that we won't be a top 10 pick. But there's also the Trubisky factor. He has to be good as soon as possible to keep the confidence growing in the organisation and more than that his own confidence. They've already invested so much in Mitch but another 4th rounder to make sure he has everything he needs, sure why not?
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wab wrote:
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Z Bear wrote:Dam, cancelling my Bennie Fowler jersey order.
Well, at least wait till after training camp.... White might fracture his leg stretching in warmups....
How come?


Oh, I guess he’s been hurt. I didn’t realize that. Thanks for bringing it up.
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Yup, longterm i love the move. Taylor Gabriel is a 4 year deal, but we can get out with minimal cap hit after two.
AR12 is a 3 year deal but the same, we can cut him after two with minimal cap hit. There's a very real chance that this is White's last year with the Bear's.

Having a young ascending talent in the pipeline means we have way more options down the line, and dont have a gun to our head to draft WR high or sign a pricey free agent.
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RustyTrubisky wrote:Yup, longterm i love the move. Taylor Gabriel is a 4 year deal, but we can get out with minimal cap hit after two.
AR12 is a 3 year deal but the same, we can cut him after two with minimal cap hit. There's a very real chance that this is White's last year with the Bear's.

Having a young ascending talent in the pipeline means we have way more options down the line, and dont have a gun to our head to draft WR high or sign a pricey free agent.
Or not get in a situation where 2 people get injured and all of a sudden you have 3 UDFA WR's starting.
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
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wab wrote:This pick admittedly makes me dislike the Gabriel signing a bit.
They're different dudes... as of right now it looks like Robinson is our X, Gabriel our Z/Ze, and Miller our slot/Ze.
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G08 wrote:
wab wrote:This pick admittedly makes me dislike the Gabriel signing a bit.
They're different dudes... as of right now it looks like Robinson is our X, Gabriel our Z/Ze, and Miller our slot/Ze.
In fairness, I've disliked the Gabriel signing since it happened because he doesn't do anything Cohen can't. Drafting Miller just sealed it for me.
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The only thing I didn't like about the Gabriel signing was the cost. $7M/year is excessive for any uncertain starter. But otherwise, I sure don't see anything wrong with having 2 guys who can outrun the defense. I know there's only one football, but that sure gives opposing safeties a lot to think about and will create a lot of space underneath. That's a very good thing.
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I think Nagy wanted to find his "Tyreek Hill" player for this offense and he saw it in Gabriel.

When you have this bad of an offense and whiffs on players like Kevin White, you're going to pay for it on the back-end in FA. I don't love what we paid him but it is what it is.
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

And they're all on routine catches. Definitely has some focus issues they'll need to work on. Not sure how you coach that out of a guy - but he has way too good of hands to make those kinds of drops.

Despite the drops - I think this kid is going to kill it in thei KC/Philly/Oregon offense. His run-after-catch is fun to watch.
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

And they're all on routine catches. Definitely has some focus issues they'll need to work on. Not sure how you coach that out of a guy - but he has way too good of hands to make those kinds of drops.

Despite the drops - I think this kid is going to kill it in thei KC/Philly/Oregon offense. His run-after-catch is fun to watch.
For sure, he's got this ability which I haven't seen too much of where once he catches the ball he has this instantaneous burst to get him up the field, it's a blast to watch.
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G08 wrote:
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.
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Adipost wrote:
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.
I'm curious about his number of targets
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Adipost wrote:
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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
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Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
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Adipost wrote:
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Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:

Peshek over at Rotoworld did an evaluation a few years back and found that 6-7% is the average drop% for college WRs.
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PFF has him at 95 out of 134 in drop rate. (my quick counting maybe off a few numbers). Bottom quarter of those drafted. It's not a hands problem, from what I have seen it's concentration.
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