R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:46 am

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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:28 am

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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

And they're all on routine catches. Definitely has some focus issues they'll need to work on. Not sure how you coach that out of a guy - but he has way too good of hands to make those kinds of drops.

Despite the drops - I think this kid is going to kill it in thei KC/Philly/Oregon offense. His run-after-catch is fun to watch.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:58 am

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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.

And they're all on routine catches. Definitely has some focus issues they'll need to work on. Not sure how you coach that out of a guy - but he has way too good of hands to make those kinds of drops.

Despite the drops - I think this kid is going to kill it in thei KC/Philly/Oregon offense. His run-after-catch is fun to watch.
For sure, he's got this ability which I haven't seen too much of where once he catches the ball he has this instantaneous burst to get him up the field, it's a blast to watch.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:28 pm

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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:56 pm

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cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:46 pm

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G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.
I'm curious about his number of targets
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R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:02 pm

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G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:23 pm

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Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
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R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:29 pm

Adipost wrote:
Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:

Peshek over at Rotoworld did an evaluation a few years back and found that 6-7% is the average drop% for college WRs.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:34 pm

PFF has him at 95 out of 134 in drop rate. (my quick counting maybe off a few numbers). Bottom quarter of those drafted. It's not a hands problem, from what I have seen it's concentration.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:36 pm

mmmc_35 wrote:PFF has him at 95 out of 134 in drop rate. (my quick counting maybe off a few numbers). Bottom quarter of those drafted. It's not a hands problem, from what I have seen it's concentration.
The worry with me comes in the fact that Allen Robinson had the same concentration drop problem in 2016.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:01 pm

An analyst opined that it was because Miller often times was too worried about YAC before he even secured the catch. Still... maddening to see.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:27 pm

Until he starts dropping them with the bears, he will get the benefit of the doubt with me.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Tue May 01, 2018 12:59 pm

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Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Tue May 01, 2018 6:27 pm

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Adipost wrote:
Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.
191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Tue May 01, 2018 6:36 pm

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malk wrote:
Adipost wrote:
Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
G08 wrote:
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.
191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes
You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessor
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Tue May 01, 2018 11:47 pm

G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
malk wrote:
Adipost wrote:
Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.
191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes
You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessor
I found it here - likely a PFF total.

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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Wed May 02, 2018 6:31 am

G08 wrote:
Adipost wrote:
malk wrote:
Adipost wrote:
Hiphopopotamos wrote:
Adipost wrote:
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.

On 191 catches.
So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad. :wheelchair:
Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.
191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passes
You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessor
Fair, though if I wanted to quibble, and I always do, we haven't specified whether it is drop rate per target or catchable pass. The latter would make more sense but drops/catchable passes is incredibly subjective. I'd bet that quite a few receptions come off non "catchable" passes too!
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 am

Adipost wrote:Anthony Miller

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Jarvis Landry

Jarvis Landry ran a 4.77 at the combine. Miller, with a foot injury, ran a 4.5 (4.46-4.52) at his pro day.


I mean, I hope Anthony Miller can become as productive as Landry - and while physically they do seem like clones - Miller does have that one additional element (speed) that Landry lacks.
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Adipost wrote:Anthony Miller

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Jarvis Landry

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I'll take Miller. Even if they would be identical, Landry is averaging like $15 mil, I'll take the rookie with a low cap hit for the empty stats please.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Wed May 02, 2018 10:47 am

I'm seeing Landry and OBJ comps being thrown around on these here interwebs... I think the brakes should be pumped, albeit slightly.
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Fri May 04, 2018 9:18 am

I am watching more and more video of this kid, and I can't figure out why in the HOLY HELL he wasn't taken in the first round, or at the very least early second. He is a fantastic route runner, with amazing hands and body control. WOW!
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Fri May 04, 2018 9:40 am

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I am watching more and more video of this kid, and I can't figure out why in the HOLY HELL he wasn't taken in the first round, or at the very least early second. He is a fantastic route runner, with amazing hands and body control. WOW!
He's the Baker Mayfield of this WR class. Sure, he's productive and dominating and all. But he's only 5'11"!
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Fri May 04, 2018 9:42 am

Hot damn did you guys read this? This kid quickly might become my favorite Bear (behind the QB, because G08).
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Fri May 04, 2018 7:33 pm

Mikefive wrote:
Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I am watching more and more video of this kid, and I can't figure out why in the HOLY HELL he wasn't taken in the first round, or at the very least early second. He is a fantastic route runner, with amazing hands and body control. WOW!
He's the Baker Mayfield of this WR class. Sure, he's productive and dominating and all. But he's only 5'11"!
So are Antonio Brown and Jarvis Landry. They seem to do alright.
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Mon May 07, 2018 4:29 pm

G08 wrote:Hot damn did you guys read this? This kid quickly might become my favorite Bear (behind the QB, because G08).
Full speed. Everything is full speed.
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R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Sun May 27, 2018 10:14 pm

Some numbers on the % of targets caught for some of the top receivers (sorry for the source)...

https://sportsmockery.com/2018/05/antho ... lete-myth/
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Re: R2, P51: Anthony Miller, WR - Memphis

Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:10 pm

A flippin BEAST. Enough said.

Screw the slot let this kid start already. Let Taylor Gabriel play the slot.

Bye the way is it just me or did the Bears kill this draft with Nagy here? Pace has always said he takes the head coaches suggestions very serious. I know supposedly Fox knew nothing of the Trubisky love.

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