Over 10 Years of Bearing Down
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The worry with me comes in the fact that Allen Robinson had the same concentration drop problem in 2016.mmmc_35 wrote:PFF has him at 95 out of 134 in drop rate. (my quick counting maybe off a few numbers). Bottom quarter of those drafted. It's not a hands problem, from what I have seen it's concentration.
Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.Adipost wrote:So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Adipost wrote:Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.G08 wrote:I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.Adipost wrote:I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.cblaz11 wrote:Miller reminds me so much of Jarvis Landry..with better deep play ability.
On 191 catches.
191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passesmalk wrote:Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.Adipost wrote:So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Adipost wrote:Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.G08 wrote:I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.Adipost wrote:
I watched the UCF, UCLA, and Iowa state games. It’s scary how similar he looks to Landry. The quick cuts out of his routes, the huge hands, the catch radius and body positioning to catch inaccurate passes, the sideline screen passes turned fearlessly into the middle of the field, the always falling forward for extra yards as he’s being tackled, the massive chip on his shoulder, the fire he shows on the field that wears down the defense.
On 191 catches.
You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessorAdipost wrote:191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passesmalk wrote:Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.Adipost wrote:So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Adipost wrote:Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.G08 wrote:
I'm starting to dig into each of these prospects today and I'm going to say that these drops are starting to piss me off.
On 191 catches.
I found it here - likely a PFF total.G08 wrote:You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessorAdipost wrote:191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passesmalk wrote:Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.Adipost wrote:So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Adipost wrote:
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.
On 191 catches.
Fair, though if I wanted to quibble, and I always do, we haven't specified whether it is drop rate per target or catchable pass. The latter would make more sense but drops/catchable passes is incredibly subjective. I'd bet that quite a few receptions come off non "catchable" passes too!G08 wrote:You'll have to cite where you found these 21 drops brofessorAdipost wrote:191 catches + 21 drops = 212 catchable passesmalk wrote:Nope, we need to know the targets or better catchable balls. If his catch % is 60% then he had 318 targets and a drop % (to raw targets) of 6.6%. Still higher than you'd like but not as bad.Adipost wrote:So a 10% drop rate. I’m not sure how bad that is or if it’s even bad.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Adipost wrote:
Apparently 21 drops in the past 2 seasons.
On 191 catches.
I'll take Miller. Even if they would be identical, Landry is averaging like $15 mil, I'll take the rookie with a low cap hit for the empty stats please.
He's the Baker Mayfield of this WR class. Sure, he's productive and dominating and all. But he's only 5'11"!Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I am watching more and more video of this kid, and I can't figure out why in the HOLY HELL he wasn't taken in the first round, or at the very least early second. He is a fantastic route runner, with amazing hands and body control. WOW!
So are Antonio Brown and Jarvis Landry. They seem to do alright.Mikefive wrote:He's the Baker Mayfield of this WR class. Sure, he's productive and dominating and all. But he's only 5'11"!Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I am watching more and more video of this kid, and I can't figure out why in the HOLY HELL he wasn't taken in the first round, or at the very least early second. He is a fantastic route runner, with amazing hands and body control. WOW!
Full speed. Everything is full speed.G08 wrote:Hot damn did you guys read this? This kid quickly might become my favorite Bear (behind the QB, because G08).
Isaac Bruce 6ft tall. Tim Brown 6ft. tall. Marvin and Reggie 6ft. tall. Steve Smith Sr. 5'9". All top-10 in receiving. It ain't about the size of the dog in the fight, my man.Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:So are Antonio Brown and Jarvis Landry. They seem to do alright.Mikefive wrote:He's the Baker Mayfield of this WR class. Sure, he's productive and dominating and all. But he's only 5'11"!Bears Whiskey Nut wrote:I am watching more and more video of this kid, and I can't figure out why in the HOLY HELL he wasn't taken in the first round, or at the very least early second. He is a fantastic route runner, with amazing hands and body control. WOW!
He's otherwise shown what I liked about him - agility, long speed, scrappiness blocking. He's a great mid-round pick so farReally like his game. Looking forward to seeing what he can do this year. Pretty sure the ball is going to be spread around quite a bit. But I could really seeing Miller lead the team in receptions, catching 80 balls.EricTighe wrote:He was taken in the second round. That is an early pick not mid rounder.
By the end of the year I can see him being our Number 1 receiver. Pace hit gold on this one.
