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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:06 pm 
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So my thought is this: when we gave up our 2nd rounder pick for next year to get a player that Pace believed was worth a 2nd rounder...what is to keep a team from paying that draft pick forward for multiple years? So next year we dont have that pick but we see someone we want and we trade the 2020 pick. rinse repeat etc...until suddenly someone does that same to us and suddenly we have it back?

Does this make sense or have I drank to much?

One of the reasons I thought this was , during the few minutes when N.O traded up and all the talking heads swore they were taking Lamaar Jackson, i was telling everyone in the room....nope!! they are taking Davenport OR someone who can help them NOW! They have were a good team and want to win now while they have Brees. People drafting know they have to produce now, and can mortgage the future that someone else might have to pay for. I wonder if that is what Pace is doing?

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:36 pm 
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Umbali wrote:
Prefeace: I am drinking lol

So my thought is this: when we gave up our 2nd rounder pick for next year to get a player that Pace believed was worth a 2nd rounder...what is to keep a team from paying that draft pick forward for multiple years? So next year we dont have that pick but we see someone we want and we trade the 2020 pick. rinse repeat etc...until suddenly someone does that same to us and suddenly we have it back?

Does this make sense or have I drank to much?

One of the reasons I thought this was , during the few minutes when N.O traded up and all the talking heads swore they were taking Lamaar Jackson, i was telling everyone in the room....nope!! they are taking Davenport OR someone who can help them NOW! They have were a good team and want to win now while they have Brees. People drafting know they have to produce now, and can mortgage the future that someone else might have to pay for. I wonder if that is what Pace is doing?

Thoughts?


I actually was thinking the same exact thing about the 2nd rnd pick.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 8:01 pm 
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It’s like the Fed printing money, just keep doing it until it all comes crashing down. For now, future draft picks are infinite.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 8:53 pm 
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Pace ripped New England off, typically a future pick is worth one round less. Meaning: if you trade a 2019 2nd round pick, it is viewed as a 3rd round pick. I don't think we will be so fortunate next off-season.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 9:12 pm 
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Pace ripped New England off, typically a future pick is worth one round less. Meaning: if you trade a 2019 2nd round pick, it is viewed as a 3rd round pick. I don't think we will be so fortunate next off-season.

We also gave up a 4th this year to make up the difference.

I think the kid looks like a valuable contributor in this offense, and it’s an apparent sign that they think they’re ready to compete for a playoff spot right now. So I have no problem with it ftr.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:15 pm 
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BR0D1E86 wrote:
G08 wrote:
Pace ripped New England off, typically a future pick is worth one round less. Meaning: if you trade a 2019 2nd round pick, it is viewed as a 3rd round pick. I don't think we will be so fortunate next off-season.

We also gave up a 4th this year to make up the difference.

I think the kid looks like a valuable contributor in this offense, and it’s an apparent sign that they think they’re ready to compete for a playoff spot right now. So I have no problem with it ftr.


That doesn't make up the difference, though.

Look at the Saints in the 2017 draft, they gave up a 2018 2nd rounder and 7th rounder in order to acquire a 2017 3rd rounder. We got a hell of a deal.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:45 pm 
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G08 wrote:
Pace ripped New England off, typically a future pick is worth one round less. Meaning: if you trade a 2019 2nd round pick, it is viewed as a 3rd round pick. I don't think we will be so fortunate next off-season.


Unfortunately, the trade chart values are completely wrong.


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:25 am 
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You could trade up each year, but you'd almost have to trade back in the other rounds to acquire additional picks to trade. Otherwise you'd be losing multiple picks every year to gain an additional 2nd rounder each year.


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:11 am 
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G08 wrote:
Pace ripped New England off, typically a future pick is worth one round less. Meaning: if you trade a 2019 2nd round pick, it is viewed as a 3rd round pick. I don't think we will be so fortunate next off-season.


Unfortunately, the trade chart values are completely wrong.


I think they're good for a ballpark estimate, but if you're talking about 'future picks' then yeah everything gets thrown out the window.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:38 am 
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Picks 1, 2, and 3 of the draft should be for drafting immediate contributors (not necessarily starters).

Picks 4 - 7 of the draft should be used for moving around in rounds 1-3 and taking projects.

If you hit a on starter in rounds 4-7 you get lucky, if you miss on players on the first 3 rounds you have shitty drafts. I was not a big fan of the Shaheen pick last year however we made it up wit the Eddie Jackson pick in the 4th. In hindsight if you look back on the draft and say we picked Jackson in the 2nd and Shaheen in the 4th no one would complain.


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