mmmc_35 wrote:Benny Snell is a 2 down guy type to look at too. I know we are all looking at speed but that might not be the case with Davis and Cohen already in the fold. Snell has good vision, balance, and power. He blocks well. Has decent hands. He doesn't have top end speed, but he can hit the hole with authority.
I have to disagree here, there's not a whole lot of speed at the RB position with just Davis and Cohen - Cohen being the only one with speed. I think Nagy is looking for more of a homerun hitter, a guy that can get big chunks without grinding it out on the ground. I also think Cohen is going to be used more and more as a receiver and not get as many carries. I think Nagy is going to look to spread the carries around a bit, so a guy like Darrell Henderson makes a lot of sense IMO, because at Memphis he split carries with Taylor Jr. and Pollard and made the most of almost every opportunity with a 8.9 ypc average and 22 TD's.
I have a feeling the Bears will move up in some way to get the RB they want.
For the record, I'm not a Trayveon Williams guy - for the reasons I stated earlier in the thread.
wab wrote:Doesn’t matter. Bears are apparently trash without Jordan Howard and the exec of the year has no idea what he’s doing.
And yet if he would have got rid of the damn Margarine and bought some real butter we may have gone further in the playoffs. But hey he is exec of the year so he never makes mistakes right?
Last time we gave up someone only to be missing him later the Eagles won the damn Superbowl. If this happens again I am going to be pissed. No way fans who beat up Santa Clause deserve to win a Superbowl much less two.
wab wrote:Doesn’t matter. Bears are apparently trash without Jordan Howard and the exec of the year has no idea what he’s doing.
And yet if he would have got rid of the damn Margarine and bought some real butter we may have gone further in the playoffs. But hey he is exec of the year so he never makes mistakes right?
Last time we gave up someone only to be missing him later the Eagles won the damn Superbowl. If this happens again I am going to be pissed. No way fans who beat up Santa Clause deserve to win a Superbowl much less two.
We didn't give up Jefferies. He left as a FA signed a lesser deal with the eagles.
I feel like Barnes or Harris are a little too similar to Mike Davis in terms of skill set. All 3 of them are not very fast and have long speed. All of them seem to be capable receivers out of the backfield. I think the Bears are looking for a back that has a different style than what they already have in Davis and Cohen. They want a back that has a mixture of both of Davis/Cohen's skillset. Meaning a guy that can handle 10-15 touches a game and be explosive by running in between the tackles, outside zone or catching the ball out of the backfield. I don't see Barnes or Harris being that explosive. I could be wrong though.
DaSuperfan wrote:I feel like Barnes or Harris are a little too similar to Mike Davis in terms of skill set. All 3 of them are not very fast and have long speed. All of them seem to be capable receivers out of the backfield. I think the Bears are looking for a back that has a different style than what they already have in Davis and Cohen. They want a back that has a mixture of both of Davis/Cohen's skillset. Meaning a guy that can handle 10-15 touches a game and be explosive by running in between the tackles, outside zone or catching the ball out of the backfield. I don't see Barnes or Harris being that explosive. I could be wrong though.
Barnes had a faster 20 yard shuttle, as well as a better LG and vertical than Miles Sanders.... at 15 pounds heavier... his RAS score was 9.8 at the combine...
cblaz11 wrote:He kind of reminds me of Jordan Howard ...
Trayveon Williams reminds you of Jordan Howard...?
Well, sure. I mean, they both play RB, both are reported to have good football character, and both are reported to be good guys in the locker room. It's like holding up a mirror!
G08 wrote:Sounds like Williams paid us a visit the other day.
I think the Bears really like him.
They might. He does a good job reading lanes. I wouldn't say he has excellent vision but it's good for a gap scheme. He reads the lineman and hits the hole. He is a good reciever. He doesn't make his own yards and seems to lack lateral agility. But if they want a guy to hit a lane he can do it. I personally wish he was more fluid in open field, or had more momentum behind him. He is more of a 3rd down guy in my opinion but he does fit the scheme.
He's an alpha and well-respected team leader, I think Pace is going to love that.
He doesn't have an elite burst or cutting ability, BUT he does impress me with cutting at full speed (not as deep of a cut, mind you) which muddies up a defenders shot to hit him. Kid runs with more power than I expected too.
Smaller back but I like him, I like his vision, his hands and mostly his pass blocking. If Darrell Henderson is there in the 3rd I think he's the pick, if he's not I think it's Williams (assuming we go RB there).
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DaSuperfan wrote:I feel like Barnes or Harris are a little too similar to Mike Davis in terms of skill set. All 3 of them are not very fast and have long speed. All of them seem to be capable receivers out of the backfield. I think the Bears are looking for a back that has a different style than what they already have in Davis and Cohen. They want a back that has a mixture of both of Davis/Cohen's skillset. Meaning a guy that can handle 10-15 touches a game and be explosive by running in between the tackles, outside zone or catching the ball out of the backfield. I don't see Barnes or Harris being that explosive. I could be wrong though.
Barnes had a faster 20 yard shuttle, as well as a better LG and vertical than Miles Sanders.... at 15 pounds heavier... his RAS score was 9.8 at the combine...
I get that, but if you watch some of his tape, he doesn't appear to have that elite athleticism translate on the field with explosiveness. He's not bad, all I'm saying is on tape he doesn't seem to offer a skillset that's a whole lot different than what Mike Davis brings. Again, that could just be my perception.
G08 wrote:He's an alpha and well-respected team leader, I think Pace is going to love that.
He doesn't have an elite burst or cutting ability, BUT he does impress me with cutting at full speed (not as deep of a cut, mind you) which muddies up a defenders shot to hit him. Kid runs with more power than I expected too.
Smaller back but I like him, I like his vision, his hands and mostly his pass blocking. If Darrell Henderson is there in the 3rd I think he's the pick, if he's not I think it's Williams (assuming we go RB there).
That's an interesting point regarding his cutting ability at full speed, because I was listening to a podcast by EJ Snyder who's really good at breaking down draft prospects and he mentioned that very same thing. He also said that Miles Sanders has an excellent lateral jump cut, but he loses a lot of momentum when he does and doesn't accelerate all that fast. He wasn't very high on Sanders and says he didn't see a lot of explosiveness watching his tape. He did really like Williams though and said he checks off more boxes for Nagy and Pace. We'll see.
G08 wrote:He's an alpha and well-respected team leader, I think Pace is going to love that.
He doesn't have an elite burst or cutting ability, BUT he does impress me with cutting at full speed (not as deep of a cut, mind you) which muddies up a defenders shot to hit him. Kid runs with more power than I expected too.
Smaller back but I like him, I like his vision, his hands and mostly his pass blocking. If Darrell Henderson is there in the 3rd I think he's the pick, if he's not I think it's Williams (assuming we go RB there).
That's an interesting point regarding his cutting ability at full speed, because I was listening to a podcast by EJ Snyder who's really good at breaking down draft prospects and he mentioned that very same thing. He also said that Miles Sanders has an excellent lateral jump cut, but he loses a lot of momentum when he does and doesn't accelerate all that fast. He wasn't very high on Sanders and says he didn't see a lot of explosiveness watching his tape. He did really like Williams though and said he checks off more boxes for Nagy and Pace. We'll see.
I hated Williams' cone (7.44), if he was a 7.00 guy you'd see that on his tape and in his cutting ability. He's someone that's going to see the hole, hit it, and put his shoulder down and get you everything he can. Again, that is all well and great but his size does give me a little worry about injury... probably shouldn't be a 25-30 carry per game back, which oddly enough fits right into our rotation.
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It seems to me the Bears are targeting 3 running backs based on their projected draft range.
They are: Williams late 3rd to mid 4th, Mike Weber mid 4th to early 5th, and Alexander Mattison 5th or 6th round. Dan Durkin has written an extensive piece on each and you can read it on the internet-Dan Durkin and then the name of the player. Good film on each.
In his draft guide Bugler rates Williams #8 rb, Weber #17, and Mattison #14.
Kevin Scott rates Williams-12, Weber not it top 15, and Mattison--6
I'm sure some of you subscribe to other draft guides and it would be interesting to see their thoughts.
Based on their draft range and Durkins' articles I think he believes it is one of these 3
I pick up Ourlads every year. They have Trayveon as a 3rd round value (their 5th ranked back on their updated board), Weber as a 4th round value (9th), and Mattison as a 5th round value (19th).
FWIW, I like Brugler's work a lot and buy his guide every year too. I also buy The Draft Network cos they do great in-depth stuff. TDN has Williams as a 4th round value (#10 ranked RB), Mattison a notch lower at #11 (also 4th round), and Weber as a 5th round value ( #18 rank).
