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Bears have met with 15 RBs

Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:33 am

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So, the #Bears have met with 15 total running backs in some form. Of those RBs, they've met with Devin Singletary 4 times (including a private visit & workout), plus Trayveon Williams three times (including a private visit).

Have met multiple times with 5 different players.
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The #Bears have also used 8 of their 30 private visits on RBs (Jacobs, Sanders, T Williams, Singletary, Armstead, Weber, Mattison & Gaskin).

Still about 2 weeks for private meetings, as well as workouts.
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Re: Bears have met with 15 RBs

Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:51 am

Walter's list of everyone we've met with:
SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2019 Senior Bowl or the 2019 East-West Shrine Game
Ugo Amadi, CB, Oregon (PRI)
Bruce Anderson, RB, North Dakota State (SR)
Ryquell Armstead^, RB/FB, Temple (WOR, PRI)
Alex Bars, OT/G, Notre Dame (COM)
Kris Boyd, CB, Texas (SR)
Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame (PRI)
L.J. Collier, DE/3-4DE, TCU (PRI)
Antoine Connor, RB, Upper Iowa (LOC)
Cody Conway, OT, Syracuse (LOC)
Xavier Crawford, CB, Central Michigan (PRO)
Maxx Crosby, DE, Eastern Michigan (COM)
Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State (SR)
Shane Evans, G, Purdue (LOC)
Mark Fields, CB, Clemson (PRI)
Lamont Gaillard, G, Georgia (EW)
Myles Gaskin, RB, Washington (PRI)
Matt Gay^, K, Utah (COM, PRO)
Carl Granderson, DE/3-4OLB, Wyoming (SR)
Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri (PRI)
Ka'dar Hollman, CB, Toledo (PRI)
Amani Hooker, S, Iowa (PRO)
Thomas Ives, WR, Colgate (LOC)
Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama (PRI)
Jalen Jelks, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Oregon (SR)
Bryce Love, RB, Stanford (COM)
Alexander Mattison, RB, Boise State (PRI)
Terry McLaurin^, WR, Ohio State (PRO, SR)
Jimmy Moreland, CB, James Madison (PRI)
Rickey Neal, ILB, Northern Iowa (LOC)
Richard Olekanma, ILB, Toledo (LOC)
Marc Orozco, K, Grambling (PRO)
Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska (PRO)
Ryan Pulley^, CB, Arkansas (PRI, PRO)
Sheldrick Redwine, CB, Miami (SR)
Derick Roberson^, DE, Sam Houston State (EW, SR)
Miles Sanders^, RB, Penn State (COM, PRI)
Austin Seibert^, K, Oklahoma (COM, PRO)
Parkey Shaunfield, K, Southern Mississippi (PRI)
Devin Singletary, RB, Florida Atlantic (PRI)
Benny Snell, RB, Kentucky (COM)
Sam Straub, QB, Southern Illinois (LOC)
Lexington Thomas, RB, UNLV (LOC)
Cole Tracy^, K, LSU (COM, PRO, SR)
Mike Weber^, RB, Ohio State (PRI, PRO)
Trayveon Williams^, RB, Texas A&M (PRI, COM, PRO)
Oshane Ximines, DE/3-4OLB, Old Dominion (SR)
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Re: Bears have met with 15 RBs

Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:58 am

With 10 picks next year it really wouldn't surprise me if Pace traded up to draft an RB. Then I will respond by freaking out saying why would we do such a thing when RBs don't have the value they used to, but then I'll have to remind myself that Pace has actually been really successful in building this team and that we had 10 picks next year and that there was no way we were going to use all of those anyway.

Find the best RB in the draft and trade up for him. Works for me.

If Pace drafts either one of Jacobs, Sanders or Harris I'll lose it. That would be unreal.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:11 am

I think Sanders, Singletary, or Williams are the primary targets.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:14 am

you missed one.

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you missed one.

OL Oli Udoh, Elon

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Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:45 am

RB/FB (SHR= Shrine Game) (LOC= Local Pro Day)

Josh Jacobs (Alabama) PRI
Miles Sanders (Penn St) COM/PRI
Trayveon Williams (Texas A&M) COM/PRI/PRO
Devin Singletary (FAU) COM/PRO/PRI/WRK
RyQuell Armstead (Temple) WRK/PRI
Mike Weber (Ohio State) PRO/PRI
Alexander Mattison (Boise St) PRI
Bruce Anderson (North Dakota St) SRB
Devine Ozigbo (Nebraska) PRO
Myles Gaskin (Washington) PRI
Benny Snell (Kentucky) COM
Bryce Love (Stanford) COM
James Williams (Wash St) COM
Lexington Thomas (UNLV) LOC
Antoine Connor (Upper Iowa) LOC
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:46 am

wab wrote:I think Sanders, Singletary, or Williams are the primary targets.
I'm inclined to agree even though I think Bryce Love would be awesome on this team.

You think we take the highest rated of the three players you listed at #87?
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:12 pm

G08 wrote:
RB/FB (SHR= Shrine Game) (LOC= Local Pro Day)

Josh Jacobs (Alabama) PRI
Miles Sanders (Penn St) COM/PRI
Trayveon Williams (Texas A&M) COM/PRI/PRO
Devin Singletary (FAU) COM/PRO/PRI/WRK
RyQuell Armstead (Temple) WRK/PRI
Mike Weber (Ohio State) PRO/PRI
Alexander Mattison (Boise St) PRI
Bruce Anderson (North Dakota St) SRB
Devine Ozigbo (Nebraska) PRO
Myles Gaskin (Washington) PRI
Benny Snell (Kentucky) COM
Bryce Love (Stanford) COM
James Williams (Wash St) COM
Lexington Thomas (UNLV) LOC
Antoine Connor (Upper Iowa) LOC
I admit I don't "get" any buzz on Singletary. He's got pedestrian speed, he's got short arms on a small frame, and he's had lackluster production in the spattering of games vs. Power 5 conference teams FAU had.

If the Bears draft him, I'll hope to be wrong.
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Re: Bears have met with 15 RBs

Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:18 pm

thunderspirit wrote:
G08 wrote:
RB/FB (SHR= Shrine Game) (LOC= Local Pro Day)

Josh Jacobs (Alabama) PRI
Miles Sanders (Penn St) COM/PRI
Trayveon Williams (Texas A&M) COM/PRI/PRO
Devin Singletary (FAU) COM/PRO/PRI/WRK
RyQuell Armstead (Temple) WRK/PRI
Mike Weber (Ohio State) PRO/PRI
Alexander Mattison (Boise St) PRI
Bruce Anderson (North Dakota St) SRB
Devine Ozigbo (Nebraska) PRO
Myles Gaskin (Washington) PRI
Benny Snell (Kentucky) COM
Bryce Love (Stanford) COM
James Williams (Wash St) COM
Lexington Thomas (UNLV) LOC
Antoine Connor (Upper Iowa) LOC
I admit I don't "get" any buzz on Singletary. He's got pedestrian speed, he's got short arms on a small frame, and he's had lackluster production in the spattering of games vs. Power 5 conference teams FAU had.

If the Bears draft him, I'll hope to be wrong.
Vision and short-area burst is what I see in him that Nagy may like.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:44 pm

So how big of factor is the 40 time when a guy like Kareem Hunt ran a 4.66 and 4.62 at the combine?
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southdakbearfan wrote:So how big of factor is the 40 time when a guy like Kareem Hunt ran a 4.66 and 4.62 at the combine?
Eh, not very. You want to see how quickly the back can identify and hit the hole. I think short area burst/quickness is more important here than long speed.

I think that's why we seem to be in love with Singletary and Williams.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:16 pm

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southdakbearfan wrote:So how big of factor is the 40 time when a guy like Kareem Hunt ran a 4.66 and 4.62 at the combine?
Eh, not very. You want to see how quickly the back can identify and hit the hole. I think short area burst/quickness is more important here than long speed.

I think that's why we seem to be in love with Singletary and Williams.
Hunt ran better at his pro day, even with pro day adjustments factored in, FWIW.

The Bears run an inside zone scheme, so being able to run between the tackles is important. And Singletary has that. I see the vision you mention, but don't much see the burst.

I dunno. I'm no expert, just a passionate fan behind a keyboard.
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G08 wrote:
RB/FB (SHR= Shrine Game) (LOC= Local Pro Day)

Josh Jacobs (Alabama) PRI
Miles Sanders (Penn St) COM/PRI
Trayveon Williams (Texas A&M) COM/PRI/PRO
Devin Singletary (FAU) COM/PRO/PRI/WRK
RyQuell Armstead (Temple) WRK/PRI
Mike Weber (Ohio State) PRO/PRI
Alexander Mattison (Boise St) PRI
Bruce Anderson (North Dakota St) SRB
Devine Ozigbo (Nebraska) PRO
Myles Gaskin (Washington) PRI
Benny Snell (Kentucky) COM
Bryce Love (Stanford) COM
James Williams (Wash St) COM
Lexington Thomas (UNLV) LOC
Antoine Connor (Upper Iowa) LOC
Out of these dudes, and assuming Sanders is long gone (he will be), I like, in order:
Trayveon Williams
Bruce Anderson
James Williams
Devin Singletary

I am also not super in love with Singletary for all of the aforementioned reasons.

After those, I like Devine Ozigbo and RyQuell Armstead. But I feel like they are just more wiggly versions of Jordan Howard.

The wildcard is Love. Had we kept Howard, I would have been all in on Love as a redshirt. Now that the Bears may actually need to count on a rookie RB to play meaningful snaps, I'm not sure how I'd feel about drafting him.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:08 pm

Yeah, Sanders would top my list. I have some concerns about him, but overall I think he's got the fewest warts. Weber is probably right below him.

I don't love Traveon Williams, but would understand with the pick and could see him, if everything breaks right, maybe turning into a poor man's LeSean McCoy. I do really like Dexter Williams and think he'd fit, but the character red flags in his past could scare the Bears off, and it'd be hard to blame them for it.

After that, my list would be something like: RyQuell Armstead, Ty Johnson from Maryland, Alexander Mattison, Devine Ozigbo. James Williams in a cluster.

From FCS, I like Dom Bragalone III (Lehigh) more than Bruce Anderson. Less productive last season (though their 2017 seasons are more comparable) but a better athlete.

wab wrote:The wildcard is Love. Had we kept Howard, I would have been all in on Love as a redshirt. Now that the Bears may actually need to count on a rookie RB to play meaningful snaps, I'm not sure how I'd feel about drafting him.
Same, really. I can't figure out where I'd slot Love.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:39 pm

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southdakbearfan wrote:So how big of factor is the 40 time when a guy like Kareem Hunt ran a 4.66 and 4.62 at the combine?
Eh, not very. You want to see how quickly the back can identify and hit the hole. I think short area burst/quickness is more important here than long speed.

I think that's why we seem to be in love with Singletary and Williams.
Hunt ran better at his pro day, even with pro day adjustments factored in, FWIW.

The Bears run an inside zone scheme, so being able to run between the tackles is important. And Singletary has that. I see the vision you mention, but don't much see the burst.

I dunno. I'm no expert, just a passionate fan behind a keyboard.
Hunt also dropped weight a little to help gain some quickness
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southdakbearfan wrote:So how big of factor is the 40 time when a guy like Kareem Hunt ran a 4.66 and 4.62 at the combine?
Eh, not very. You want to see how quickly the back can identify and hit the hole. I think short area burst/quickness is more important here than long speed.

I think that's why we seem to be in love with Singletary and Williams.
Hunt ran better at his pro day, even with pro day adjustments factored in, FWIW.

The Bears run an inside zone scheme, so being able to run between the tackles is important. And Singletary has that. I see the vision you mention, but don't much see the burst.

I dunno. I'm no expert, just a passionate fan behind a keyboard.
Hunt also dropped weight a little to help gain some quickness
Yep 4.57 pro day time.

It wasn’t a knock on Hunt, it was to show quick 40 times or slow 40 times don’t necessarily mean anything. It was more a knock on the 40 times being the end all for runningbacks in the draft. It has to be at a certain level for sure, something 4.6 or south but I would rather make a judgement off of film than 40 times and all the pundits keep bumping up guys based on 40’s vs production.
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southdakbearfan wrote:So how big of factor is the 40 time when a guy like Kareem Hunt ran a 4.66 and 4.62 at the combine?
Combine scores don't matter according to this study: (Although on page 12 there does appear to be a correlation between 40 yard dash time and running backs oddly enough.)

https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/R ... l_Park.pdf

Anecdotally this makes sense to me.

All of these players have accumulated statistics that made them worthy of being invited to the combine and then drafted. How many QBs that were dominant in college got drafted in the top ten and then became busts? A lot. I doubt they forgot how to throw a football given how they did in college. It has to be more of a function of being drafted by a bad team with presumably bad coaching because that's how they got that high draft choice more often than not to begin with.

So much of it has to be scheme fit, work ethic, being at the right place at the right time, strength of schedule, etc. etc. etc.
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Atkins&Rebel wrote:Walter's list of everyone we've met with:
SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.

And then suddenly I lost interest



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Moriarty wrote:
Atkins&Rebel wrote:Walter's list of everyone we've met with:
SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.

And then suddenly I lost interest



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I think the timing of each meeting is important vs when we signed Davis. I'm still wondering if we draft a RB before round 7.
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:57 pm

How about Bryce Love? I think if his medicals pan out (and I trust our medical staff now as they correctly assessed Meredith) - he could be a steal sort of how Pace stole Eddie Jackson in R4 back in 2017. Jackson was also coming off an injury, didn't do any pre-draft workouts and was sort of a forgotten guy in the draft.

When Love is healthy, he's a legit back IMO that has near R1 talent.
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:18 pm

Exactly my thoughts. It all depends on the medicals and if the Bears medical staff can evaluate his injury correctly. If his medicals are in the clear, he should be considered in R3 or R4 - and you most likely won't have to trade up to get him.
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:27 pm

He claims to be ready by the middle of training camp, which I think is aggressive. Draft him if you feel like his medicals are clean and PUP him until week 6. That would put him around 10 months with his rehab and I'm of the opinion you can get by with Davis/Cohen/Whoever
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:53 pm

G08 wrote:He claims to be ready by the middle of training camp, which I think is aggressive. Draft him if you feel like his medicals are clean and PUP him until week 6. That would put him around 10 months with his rehab and I'm of the opinion you can get by with Davis/Cohen/Whoever
Maybe, but only if he really drops in the draft. You can't count on a 10 month recovery or even a full recovery with ACL's. Look at Meredith.
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:04 pm

FWIW Love said he expects to be full-go by July 8th.

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Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:16 pm

The question is, how much risk are you willing to take on?
What if he's not ready to go?
What if he never is?

On the flip side, what if he does come all the way back?

I like Love a lot. I think he fits what Nagy wants of his backs nearly perfectly...if he's the same guy we saw before his ACL.

Ordinarily, I'd be okay with rolling dice on that kind of risk in Round 4.
But ordinarily, the Bears have more than one Day 2 pick to mitigate that kind of gamble.
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 pm

thunderspirit wrote:The question is, how much risk are you willing to take on?
What if he's not ready to go?
What if he never is?

On the flip side, what if he does come all the way back?

I like Love a lot. I think he fits what Nagy wants of his backs nearly perfectly...if he's the same guy we saw before his ACL.

Ordinarily, I'd be okay with rolling dice on that kind of risk in Round 4.
But ordinarily, the Bears have more than one Day 2 pick to mitigate that kind of gamble.
That's the rub... my opinion is all contingent upon the Bears liking his medicals.

Nagy doesn't want or need a feature back so this kid, theoretically, doesn't need to be active until after week 6. You can live with giving the bulk of the carries to Davis/Cohen/Patterson. Tricky thing is if the Bears put Love on the 53 and he's active on game days he's going to need to be contributing heavily on special teams.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:04 am

If you draft Love in say...R4, you almost have to draft another RB in the 7th.
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wab wrote:If you draft Love in say...R4, you almost have to draft another RB in the 7th.
Just as long as that 2nd RB in R7 isn't Rodney Anderson. :)
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