Sorry I've been gone for the past 4 years. I wanted to catch up on some offseason stuff so I came here hoping that I still had an account but when I logged in, I was notified of this thread.
Wow...the more things change, the more they stay the same. So when I was here last, Ryan Pace was the GM and I was ripping him for drafting/signing/trading fast players like Mooney as opposed to fixing the problems on the offensive line. Here we are four years later and where are we? Pace deservedly received his long over due pink slip and was replaced with a GM who, wow, for the most part has ignored the OL the past few years, which is odd considering that he played OL at Boston College....and during a time when they were a pretty good team. Last year he drafted a RT in the first round. Not bad, but what about the rest of the positions? More importantly, what about LT, which is the most important non-QB position on the field when you have a right handed QB? Oh, okay, he previously drafted a FCS player in the 5th round who is better suited to play Guard at this level instead of drafting a legit 6'6" or 6'7" player with the kind of wingspan to adequately battle off speed rushers. The interior of the OL has been a swinging gate so I'm not going to even bother reading responses of me being critical there.
But....but....but....this is a thread about Mooney! I don't give a flying F what topic this thread is about, especially with Mooney now gone and replaced with an aging Keenan Allen. However, the point is still valid as I said in a previous response, if you don't have an offensive line, you don't have an offense so who cares how fast your players are. Saying that, how many of you are happy with the offensive output the past few seasons? I said back then (pre-Justin Fields I might add) that the offensive line was hot garbage and here we are. Since my last comment, the Bears have flat out sucked a giant hairy testicle when it comes to offensive production. Yes Justin Fields hasn't been all that but re-watch the last game of the '23 season against that pile of vomit up north, especially the 2nd half, and try to convince yourself that Justin Fields is the problem. If you're response is anything other than the OL needs to be fixed, I don't know what Bears team some of you are watching.
So this offseason, Poles has signed Ryan Bates (G) and Coleman Shelton (C) to patch some holes. Not bad, that definitely removes the need to draft someone at those spots (at least for the 2024 season). The next step is to obviously drop & flush the turds who were there before if they haven't already. Now, about that critical LT spot. Reading other threads, I see Caleb Williams is high on the list of some of you. Maybe even some Jayden Daniels love going on. Have any of you ever heard of Joe Alt? LT from Notre Dame, a 6'8" mountain of a human being, crazy athletic, loves contact, and is the son of former KC Chiefs All-Pro John Alt. He will not be there at #9 and he is absolutely worth taking at #1. For those who are concerned that the Bears will lose out on QB if Poles does that and then trades #9 for more later picks, yeah, and your point would be? As I've said and will continue to say, if you don't have an offensive line, then you don't have an offense....and offensive line is 5 positions. Not one, not two....FIVE. Fix the offensive line and I promise you, points will be scored and games will be won regardless of who they have under center.
However, there is a small matter that I must now address...
Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:32 pmMakur, a couple of things, and I'm done with this.
First, if you think the Chiefs are the same team without Tyreek Hill as they are with him (as you implied), you're not dealing in reality.
Second, I asked this before, but you didn't answer. Aside from the Williams trade, what specifically would you have done this offseason (in the draft or otherwise) to address the OL? Who would you have taken in the fifth or sixth rounds to fix our OL if we didn't take Mooney? The second? Let us all know so that we can see how brilliant your scheme to fix the Bears is. Don't be a poser. Do you think the Mack deal was a good one? I mean we gave up two first rounders that could have been used on offensive linemen. What SPECIFICALLY would you have done?
I hope you're still around. Your feeble attempt of a response right there didn't age very well did it?
1a) The Chiefs have won the Super Bowl in both seasons since they traded Tyreek Hill. Obviously, that wasn't known by either of us at the time but the fact that they did that in both seasons AFTER trading Hill away, wow, re-reading what you wrote there must make you feel like retracting a few words right about now doesn't it? Especially with that comment at the end of the first sentence there....that I'm not dealing in reality. Kindly explain to me what the Dolphins have accomplished with Hill that the Chiefs didn't or haven't? Then kindly explain to me the difference between the two teams. I've got it! One of them is coached by a former OL coach who understands the game of football and the other is coached by a guy who is really creative at play calling but when it comes to the intangibles of the game, he's not there yet....but yeah, it was Tyreek Hill alone that allowed the Chiefs to win that Super Bowl after the 2019 season.
1b) The point I was making (years ago) was that although Tyreek Hill's speed is nice to have, it's not the reason why the Chiefs were winning with him....and the proof is in the irrefutable fact that they've won more without him than they did with him. However, I'm not the person who brought up the Chiefs. Go back and re-read to see for yourself, someone else did. I simply responded that speed isn't the only reason why the Chiefs win, which turned out to be a billion percent true this past season.
2) Why would I have had to "specifically" tell you what I would have done? It couldn't be more obvious from my previous statements.....FIX THE GOD DAMN MOTHERF*CKING OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!!!!!!!! Is it that hard to figure out? Do I need to use smaller words? The offensive line has sucked for years and when I say "sucked," we're talking high-end escort level of sucking, like a golf ball through a garden hose level of sucktitude. I saw enough of Cody Whitehair that I wanted him gone back then. It was LONG overdue cutting that turd from the roster. Yes, there are problems all over but the primary problem has been the offensive line and the GM's did next to nothing to even address let alone fix the issues. It goes well beyond just replacing players but if you don't even start there, then I don't even know what to tell you. There, is that a "brilliant enough scheme" for you? Keep hammering away at the OL until the problems are fixed and the Bears will score those important little things that are needed to win games called POINTS!!!!
3) If you haven't picked up on it by now, you can tell that I don't really give a sh*t about speed when other critical areas of the team have needs. Re-reading some of the previous posts in this thread, you seem to be enamored by speed and thought that drafting Mooney was all the Bears needed. Kindly provide some stats of Mooney's, when he was in a Bears uniform, to help convince me that drafting him was much better than fixing the OL. I'll wait....but in the meantime, just for reference....Jerry Rice, Keenan Allen, and Anquan Boldin all ran a 4.71....Chris Carter ran a 4.63. It's not always about straight line speed.
You won't find any good stats for Mooney so don't bother. In fact, watch some All-22 film of the Bears with Mooney and you will see, as you will with others, the problems with the Bears the past several years wasn't that they don't have guys who can get open....the problem is the QBs didn't have enough time to set their feet and go through their reads to see that they were open. That's called, "We need to fix the offensive line." Here we are, four years later, and although I'm more optimistic now compared to back then with the recent moves, we will only see it when we see it. Until then, it's still a problem that dumping Fields then drafting Caleb Williams won't fix.
...and here it is, your moment of Zen.
makaur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:06 am
Fix the OL or we will keep losing to the Packers.