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I dunno, man. Purdy looked great as a freshman and pretty good as a sophomore, but this year he has looked overmatched and like he's just chucking the ball up there. He's on the slight side, too, and you gotta worry about him getting hurt.

All that said, I still might take a flyer on him in Round 4, on the chance that the pandemic has taken a toll on his play.
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thunderspirit wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:58 pm I dunno, man. Purdy looked great as a freshman and pretty good as a sophomore, but this year he has looked overmatched and like he's just chucking the ball up there. He's on the slight side, too, and you gotta worry about him getting hurt.

All that said, I still might take a flyer on him in Round 4, on the chance that the pandemic has taken a toll on his play.
I don't know about Purdy specifically, but if they don't address QB early, they need to take a flyer on a guy (unfortunately they don't have a 4th,but I suppose could trade up). It's unacceptable to continue to not have a franchise QB and not make even the slightest investments/swings.
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Trask vs. Vandy 26/35 383 yards 3 TDs. Again without Kyle Pitts.
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Trask, Purdy, Wilson, and Crum all had good games yesterday.
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Trask..
The more I see him the better I'd like him for Bears..however he may play himself out of high second..to lower first..
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docc wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:43 pm Trask..
The more I see him the better I'd like him for Bears..however he may play himself out of high second..to lower first..
He might go top 15...
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This year, with our other needs, I'd take a massive flyer on Crum after shoring up the offensive line with higher picks. A bowl win and few interceptions, sold.
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I've been going through qbs. Take a look at Trey Lance. It's almost impossible to grade him. Hes fantastic, super athletic with arm talent. But 1 game this year and 1 year of tape in a lower level.
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Lance is fascinating as a prospect. NDSU has a pro-style, whole field-read offense, albeit at the FCS level. He's build like a truck (and runs like an athletic running back) but has a strong arm. I honestly have no idea how to rate him.
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thunderspirit wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:00 pm Lance is fascinating as a prospect. NDSU has a pro-style, whole field-read offense, albeit at the FCS level. He's build like a truck (and runs like an athletic running back) but has a strong arm. I honestly have no idea how to rate him.
Sounds a bit like Big Ben coming out of college.
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Grizzled wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:38 pm
thunderspirit wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:00 pm Lance is fascinating as a prospect. NDSU has a pro-style, whole field-read offense, albeit at the FCS level. He's build like a truck (and runs like an athletic running back) but has a strong arm. I honestly have no idea how to rate him.
Sounds a bit like Big Ben coming out of college.
I can see that a little bit. Big Ben was a little stiffer in his movements. Lance is big and mobile and has a big arm. He's not super fast, but he can move. I actually get kind of a Steve McNair vibe from him. There's also something about his throwing motion that looks.... off. I can't put my finger on why, but he's got a little bit of a hitch in it.
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wab wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:15 pm I actually get kind of a Steve McNair vibe from him.
That wouldn't be bad.
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I saw a comp today of Ryan Tannehill (coming out of Texas A&M), and now I can't unsee it. It's pretty spot on.
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thunderspirit wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:24 pm I saw a comp today of Ryan Tannehill (coming out of Texas A&M), and now I can't unsee it. It's pretty spot on.
He has terrific arm strength and I think is more athletic, but I think the tannehill comp isn't terrible. I dont think comps are ment to be negative and dont view that as a bad thing.
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I think we've already got Ryan Tannehill on our roster...

Tannehill in Miami (88 games): 62.8%, 20,434 yards, 123 TDs, 75 INTs, 4.2 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 87.0 rating

Trubisky with Nagy (34 games): 64.3%, 7,430 yards, 51 TDs, 27 INTs, 4.6 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 88.6 rating
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G08 wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:04 am I think we've already got Ryan Tannehill on our roster...

Tannehill in Miami (88 games): 62.8%, 20,434 yards, 123 TDs, 75 INTs, 4.2 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 87.0 rating

Trubisky with Nagy (34 games): 64.3%, 7,430 yards, 51 TDs, 27 INTs, 4.6 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 88.6 rating
Interesting comp.

Here's how it goes. Pace brings Nagy into his office and says, "We are signing Mitch to a 2/10M extension to be a bridge/backup. We will shore up the OL in FA. We are also committed to drafting a QB high in 21 or 22 and will be aggressive if need be to get the right guy. In the meantime, the offense has to be catered to Mitch 100% until that guy can take over the job. Do you still want the job as HC of the Chicago Bears? Because those are the terms"
(okay it doesn't go exactly like that, but that's this gist)
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The Cooler King wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:03 am
G08 wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:04 am I think we've already got Ryan Tannehill on our roster...

Tannehill in Miami (88 games): 62.8%, 20,434 yards, 123 TDs, 75 INTs, 4.2 TD%, 2.6 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 87.0 rating

Trubisky with Nagy (34 games): 64.3%, 7,430 yards, 51 TDs, 27 INTs, 4.6 TD%, 2.4 INT%, 6.7 YPA, 88.6 rating
Interesting comp.

Here's how it goes. Pace brings Nagy into his office and says, "We are signing Mitch to a 2/10M extension to be a bridge/backup. We will shore up the OL in FA. We are also committed to drafting a QB high in 21 or 22 and will be aggressive if need be to get the right guy. In the meantime, the offense has to be catered to Mitch 100% until that guy can take over the job. Do you still want the job as HC of the Chicago Bears? Because those are the terms"
(okay it doesn't go exactly like that, but that's this gist)
I think we are already seeing Nagy realize his scheme/approach wasn't working. Mitch couldn't do it so he was benched for Foles, and Foles ostensibly was worse.

Now we're catering the offense to our QB (what a concept!) and we are getting results. Could be a whole lot of nothing, or we could be on to something. Curious to see how it plays out.
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I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
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UOK wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 am I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
Tough one. But I think you take Lance.
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wab wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:55 am
UOK wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 am I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
Tough one. But I think you take Lance.
I think you have to as well. There's a lot of tackle talent in this draft, but the QB class seem to dry up real quick. Lance is too interesting a prospect to pass on. That said, Trubisky similarly had a year of game tape when he came out. In some respects they're very similar players.
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UOK wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 am I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
Depends... if Trubisky plays well enough to come back next season, take the starting tackle. If we only have Foles on the roster for 2021, take Lance.
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G08 wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:22 pm
UOK wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 am I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
Depends... if Trubisky plays well enough to come back next season, take the starting tackle. If we only have Foles on the roster for 2021, take Lance.
Wait, did you forget about Tyler Bray?!?

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UOK wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 am I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
I'm thinking it's none of the top 4 by the time the Bears pick. They'll prob have to trade up if they want one of them. So it's Jones/Trask or waiting later for a guy like Newman, Slinger, Mond, etc.
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G08 wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:22 pm
UOK wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 am I feel like Lance will be the top prospect available to the Bears by the time it's their pick. Don't think Wilson will fall that far.

But if you're sitting at pick 16 or so and you have to choose between Trey Lance and a starting tackle, do you take Lance?
Depends... if Trubisky plays well enough to come back next season, take the starting tackle. If we only have Foles on the roster for 2021, take Lance.
If they decide to go OT first round, trade back in the 1st for more picks. There’s great OT depth in this draft.
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There were a couple huge fans of his here.
I think they were wildly overrating his draft appeal, but I liked the idea of having him in camp and maybe even for a 7th.
Star quarterback Dustin Crum heads a growing list of Kent State seniors who have committed to return for the 2021 season. Crum announced his decision on social media Monday night. Crum has drawn interest from NFL scouts after throwing for 3,806 yards and 32 touchdowns with just four interceptions while rushing for 1,037 yards and 10 scores over the past two seasons.
I don't understand how he can go back, though.
He's a senior, appeared in many games, all 4 years. Not described as a redshirt anywhere.
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Moriarty wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:09 am There were a couple huge fans of his here.
I think they were wildly overrating his draft appeal, but I liked the idea of having him in camp and maybe even for a 7th.
Star quarterback Dustin Crum heads a growing list of Kent State seniors who have committed to return for the 2021 season. Crum announced his decision on social media Monday night. Crum has drawn interest from NFL scouts after throwing for 3,806 yards and 32 touchdowns with just four interceptions while rushing for 1,037 yards and 10 scores over the past two seasons.
I don't understand how he can go back, though.
He's a senior, appeared in many games, all 4 years. Not described as a redshirt anywhere.
It's an eligibility exempt year right?
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wab wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:12 am
Moriarty wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:09 am There were a couple huge fans of his here.
I think they were wildly overrating his draft appeal, but I liked the idea of having him in camp and maybe even for a 7th.



I don't understand how he can go back, though.
He's a senior, appeared in many games, all 4 years. Not described as a redshirt anywhere.
It's an eligibility exempt year right?
I don't know. I don't follow college ball very much, outside of draftable players. I haven't heard anything about that, though.
Is that for everyone?
Just his conference?
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Yeah, if I recall correctly, the NCAA has declared this season exempt for everyone. It's why there's still some guys who've declared for the draft can still return to school if they so choose.
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Yes - I do believe everyone gets a free year. In hoops too.

I know everyone is psyched about Mitch's maturation recently - and it is starting to look more & more real. Still, you don't pass on Lance. I personally think the comp is "Josh Allen with a better arm (at this point in his career)". Not only do you take him, but you HAVE to jump over the Vikes to take him so they don't get him. IF they get him, it is highly possible that is something the Bears will regret for a long time.

I think part of the improvement in Mitch is the presence of legit competition (no matter what anyone thinks about Foles). We want NO MORE Chase Daniels. No Tyler Brays. Even if Foles is on the roster (I think he could be traded to another team in need of a similar backup), you pick & develop Lance. The WORST case is you have a starter-quality backup that you can trade for more draft capital at some point.

This is the exact same argument I used for drafting Hurts this year. Hurts was a great prospect as a backup to Mitch. And he was right there to take. Damn it!
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I'm starting to like Kellen Mond as well. He's kind of a dollar store version of Lance.

My thing is, IF you are going to keep Mitch, you have to address OT and WR early, but you can't ignore QB either.

Mitch playing well is the best and the worst thing to happen to the Bears. If you really want Lance, you have to move on from Mitch I think. If you keep Mitch, you look at guys like Mond/Newman/Morgan/Ehlinger later in the draft.
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