2008 Heisman-UPDATED WITH A POLL
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That's why I never really get the Heisman trophy winners. I would think being on a great team should make you LESS likely to win. Sure if you're clearly the ONLY reason they're great you should obviously win, but even if you're the best player on a team full of great players, you're very possibly overrated. I'd be more impressed with a guy that plays for a poor team and makes them great. I'm not a Mizzou fan, but I'd vote for a guy like Chase Daniel before any of the guys being talked about. (Okay, maybe not this year but definitely last year.)
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He does get a vote. He recently said he's narrowed his vote down to McCoy, Bradford, and himself.gaba wrote:It'd be hard to argue with the repeat. Does he get a vote this year?
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The one thing Tebow has on Vick is size. I don't think Tebow will be an NFL quarterback, but I could see him being something a tight end or a linebacker (positions he's played in the past.) I never really thought much of Tebow until I watched him play in the SEC Championship. Whoever ends up with him will be getting one hell of an athlete. It's just a shame we don't need any of the positions he can play.gaba wrote:Eh... he just looks like another Vick to me. Overrated.
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He has size, but that's pretty meaningless when you consider that Vick edges him out in almost every other area (except character obviously). Size is important for NFL QBs, but when you have questionable throwing mechanics, an average arm, mediocre accuracy and touch, and come from a spread offense, size doesn't matter much.imprint3454 wrote: The one thing Tebow has on Vick is size. I don't think Tebow will be an NFL quarterback, but I could see him being something a tight end or a linebacker (positions he's played in the past.) I never really thought much of Tebow until I watched him play in the SEC Championship. Whoever ends up with him will be getting one hell of an athlete. It's just a shame we don't need any of the positions he can play.
Kiper is ranking him as a TE. I think it's an OK idea, but I really don't see Tebow being as athletic as some of the TEs in the league right now and there's no question he'll be way behind the learning curve at the position. He could be a solid H Back, fullback, or TE, but I don't think he's one of the top prospects at TE like Kiper seems to think.
PS: I think people look at Vick in hindsight and see that he was a crappy passer in the NFL, but they forget that when he came out he was a great passing prospect who had a huge arm. He was like Jamarcus Russell with the explosive running ability of Reggie Bush. There really hasn't been a prospect with his natural ability in a long time. It's a shame he had a $.02 brain to go with all that talent.
Tebow, pair of Big 12 QBs are Heisman finalists, Harrell left at home
By RALPH D. RUSSO – 4 hours ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Tim Tebow will go for two against a pair of talented quarterbacks from the Big 12 when the Heisman Trophy is handed out Saturday night.
Sam Bradford from Oklahoma and Colt McCoy from Texas joined Tebow as Heisman finalists announced Wednesday.
The last time all the Heisman finalists were quarterbacks was 2001, when Nebraska's Eric Crouch won the award and QBs held the first six spots.
Tebow, the rugged and multitalented junior from Florida, was the first sophomore to win the Heisman last year and is trying to become the second player to win it twice.
Archie Griffin won the Heisman as a junior in 1974 for Ohio State and again in 1975.
Tebow's Gators will play Bradford and the Sooners in the BCS national championship game Jan. 8 in Miami.
"It's a good thing I don't have a vote," Bradford said while attending an event with Tebow and McCoy in Orlando, Fla., where numerous college football awards will be handed out Thursday night. "I couldn't decide. It's just an honor to be one of the guys going up to New York."
Tebow became the first college football player with 20 touchdown passes and 20 rushing touchdowns in 2007, carrying a Florida team that finished 9-4.
This season, Tebow's stats were down, but his play has still been stellar. He is fifth in the nation in passer rating (176.7) with 28 touchdown passes and only two interceptions. He hasn't been asked to run as much this season, but still has 564 yards rushing and 12 touchdowns.
Most importantly, the Gators are 12-1 and a victory away from their second national title in three seasons.
"Tim is a winner," Florida coach Urban Meyer said during a news conference in South Florida with Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops to promote the national title game. "He wants to win. He's motivated like all of us are. But he's a team-first guy. That's why statistically he might not have the Star Wars stats like he had a year ago. However, he won 12 games. And if he could have either-or, he's going to take 12 wins and the chance to hold that crystal ball."
Tebow made a strong final case to win another Heisman, leading Florida's 14-point fourth quarter and comeback 31-20 victory in the Southeastern Conference title game against Alabama last Saturday.
As a former winner, he also has a vote.
Tebow said 1996 Heisman winner Danny Wuerffel suggested he not tell people what he did with his vote.
"I'm taking his advice," Tebow said.
Bradford has directed the highest scoring team in major college football history, leading the nation in passer rating (186.3) and TD passes (48) while throwing for 4,464 yards.
The Sooners have scored 702 points and became the first college team in 89 years to reach 60 points in five consecutive games when they won the Big 12 title game 62-21 over Missouri last Saturday.
"Players just follow him because of his commitment to them and how tough he is and how important the team is to him," Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said.
McCoy, who had the imposing task of following Vince Young as Texas' starting quarterback, has turned out to be a multiple threat much like his predecessor.
McCoy set a major college record with his 77.6 completion percentage, breaking the mark set by Daunte Culpepper for Central Florida, and is the Longhorns' leading rusher with 576 yards and 10 touchdowns. Texas finished 11-1, with a victory against Oklahoma.
"If you're going to play quarterback in our league, you better be able to put a lot of points on the board," McCoy said. "There are just so many good offenses in this league."
That victory wasn't enough to get McCoy and Texas into the Big 12 or national championship game instead of the Sooners.
Heisman organizers generally invite three to five players, based on vote totals.
Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell was surprisingly not invited to the ceremony, to be held at the Sports Museum of America in downtown New York for the first time.
Harrell, the latest in a long line of prolific passers to run coach Mike Leach's Air Raid offense, leads the nation with 4,747 yards passing and has thrown 41 touchdown passes. He also led Texas Tech to a school-record 11 victories and a tie for first in the Big 12 South with Texas and Oklahoma.
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By RALPH D. RUSSO – 4 hours ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Tim Tebow will go for two against a pair of talented quarterbacks from the Big 12 when the Heisman Trophy is handed out Saturday night.
Sam Bradford from Oklahoma and Colt McCoy from Texas joined Tebow as Heisman finalists announced Wednesday.
The last time all the Heisman finalists were quarterbacks was 2001, when Nebraska's Eric Crouch won the award and QBs held the first six spots.
Tebow, the rugged and multitalented junior from Florida, was the first sophomore to win the Heisman last year and is trying to become the second player to win it twice.
Archie Griffin won the Heisman as a junior in 1974 for Ohio State and again in 1975.
Tebow's Gators will play Bradford and the Sooners in the BCS national championship game Jan. 8 in Miami.
"It's a good thing I don't have a vote," Bradford said while attending an event with Tebow and McCoy in Orlando, Fla., where numerous college football awards will be handed out Thursday night. "I couldn't decide. It's just an honor to be one of the guys going up to New York."
Tebow became the first college football player with 20 touchdown passes and 20 rushing touchdowns in 2007, carrying a Florida team that finished 9-4.
This season, Tebow's stats were down, but his play has still been stellar. He is fifth in the nation in passer rating (176.7) with 28 touchdown passes and only two interceptions. He hasn't been asked to run as much this season, but still has 564 yards rushing and 12 touchdowns.
Most importantly, the Gators are 12-1 and a victory away from their second national title in three seasons.
"Tim is a winner," Florida coach Urban Meyer said during a news conference in South Florida with Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops to promote the national title game. "He wants to win. He's motivated like all of us are. But he's a team-first guy. That's why statistically he might not have the Star Wars stats like he had a year ago. However, he won 12 games. And if he could have either-or, he's going to take 12 wins and the chance to hold that crystal ball."
Tebow made a strong final case to win another Heisman, leading Florida's 14-point fourth quarter and comeback 31-20 victory in the Southeastern Conference title game against Alabama last Saturday.
As a former winner, he also has a vote.
Tebow said 1996 Heisman winner Danny Wuerffel suggested he not tell people what he did with his vote.
"I'm taking his advice," Tebow said.
Bradford has directed the highest scoring team in major college football history, leading the nation in passer rating (186.3) and TD passes (48) while throwing for 4,464 yards.
The Sooners have scored 702 points and became the first college team in 89 years to reach 60 points in five consecutive games when they won the Big 12 title game 62-21 over Missouri last Saturday.
"Players just follow him because of his commitment to them and how tough he is and how important the team is to him," Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said.
McCoy, who had the imposing task of following Vince Young as Texas' starting quarterback, has turned out to be a multiple threat much like his predecessor.
McCoy set a major college record with his 77.6 completion percentage, breaking the mark set by Daunte Culpepper for Central Florida, and is the Longhorns' leading rusher with 576 yards and 10 touchdowns. Texas finished 11-1, with a victory against Oklahoma.
"If you're going to play quarterback in our league, you better be able to put a lot of points on the board," McCoy said. "There are just so many good offenses in this league."
That victory wasn't enough to get McCoy and Texas into the Big 12 or national championship game instead of the Sooners.
Heisman organizers generally invite three to five players, based on vote totals.
Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell was surprisingly not invited to the ceremony, to be held at the Sports Museum of America in downtown New York for the first time.
Harrell, the latest in a long line of prolific passers to run coach Mike Leach's Air Raid offense, leads the nation with 4,747 yards passing and has thrown 41 touchdown passes. He also led Texas Tech to a school-record 11 victories and a tie for first in the Big 12 South with Texas and Oklahoma.
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Does anyone think the media picked Bradford because it would make a great story? The BCS title game with Heisman vs. Heisman will undoubtedly be a big story?
Yeah, I know I said I think he should probably win it, but I didn't actually think it would happen.
Yeah, I know I said I think he should probably win it, but I didn't actually think it would happen.
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While Bradford had some big passing numbers, feel McCoy and Tebow are better players and the two best. And since the Heisman is for the "best college player" per se (D guys always get screwed) I think this is somewhat a joke. This award is not supposed to translate as to who will be the best pro.
I think there will be a team out there who drafts Tebow and tries him at qb. He will probably be like all the other U of Florida qbs though, mediocre at best.
I think there will be a team out there who drafts Tebow and tries him at qb. He will probably be like all the other U of Florida qbs though, mediocre at best.