Current Draft Order

Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:55 am

1 Detroit 0-11 0.557
2 Kansas City 1-10 0.526
3 Cincinnati 1-9-1 0.577
4 St. Louis 2-9 0.531
5 Seattle 2-9 0.531
6 San Francisco 3-8 0.48
7 Oakland 3-8 0.506
8 Houston 4-7 0.503
9 San Diego 4-7 0.517
10 Jacksonville 4-7 0.52
11 Cleveland 4-7 0.565
12 Green Bay 5-6 0.489
13 Philadelphia 5-5-1 0.543
14 Buffalo 6-5 0.443
15 Miami 6-5 0.46
16 New Orleans 6-5 0.494
17 Minnesota 6-5 0.528
18p Denver 6-5 0.449
19p Chicago 6-5 0.474
20p Atlanta 7-4 0.469
21p New England 7-4 0.472
22p Detroit (DAL) 7-4 0.526
23p Arizona 7-4 0.48
24p Indianapolis 7-4 0.48
25p Washington 7-4 0.486
26p Baltimore 7-4 0.514
27 New York Jets 8-3 0.44
28 Tampa Bay 8-3 0.466
29 Philadelphia (CAR) 8-3 0.511
30 Pittsburgh 8-3 0.514
31 Tennessee 10-1 0.435
32 New York Giants 10-1 0.497

G08 · Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:40 pm

19th pick eh... think we go WR?

Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:57 pm

Probably if Maclin or Crabtree are there. DE is a real strong possibility as well... Of course I'd send it to AZ and whatever else they wanted for Boldin, but that's me.

gaba · Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:00 pm

wab wrote:Probably if Maclin or Crabtree are there. DE is a real strong possibility as well... Of course I'd send it to AZ and whatever else they wanted for Boldin, but that's me.

I'll second that.

Halas85 · Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:12 am

gaba wrote:
I'll second that.

I love Boldin, too, but I wouldn't go so far as sending them "whatever else they want." The O-line's not getting any younger, our safety situation's still not established for the future and it sure would be nice to find another pass rusher or two. Sure, wide receiver is one of our biggest needs, but I hope Angelo keeps a level head. Made a hard pitch for Boldin -- probably even a bit more aggressive than Angelo's known for being in the offseason -- but don't bet the farm on one guy.

gaba · Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:32 am

We're talking about a crap-shoot on a draft pick vs. a proven vet. I'd add an overpayed, underperforming prima-donna to sweeten the deal.

G08 · Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:00 pm

Updated:

PICK TEAM PCT SoS
==============================================
Pick: 1 Detroit Lions .000 .557
Pick: 2 Cincinnati Bengals .125 .586
Pick: 3 Kansas City Chiefs .167 .523
Pick: 4 Seattle Seahawks .167 .523
Pick: 5 St. Louis Rams .167 .523
Pick: 6 Oakland Raiders .250 .516
Pick: 7 San Francisco 49ers .333 .461
Pick: 8 San Diego Chargers .333 .526
Pick: 9 Jacksonville Jaguars .333 .529
Pick: 10 Cleveland Browns .333 .576
Pick: 11 Green Bay Packers .417 .500
Pick: 12 Houston Texans .417 .503
Pick: 13 Buffalo Bills .500 .432
Pick: 14 Chicago Bears .500 .482
Pick: 15 New Orleans Saints .500 .505
Pick: 16 Philadelphia Eagles .542 .539
Pick: 17 Denver Broncos .583 .448
Pick: 18 Miami Dolphins .583 .448
Pick: 19 New England Patriots .583 .469
Pick: 20 Arizona Cardinals .583 .482
Pick: 21 Washington Redskins .583 .492
Pick: 22 Minnesota Vikings .583 .521
Pick: 23 New York Jets .667 .435
Pick: 24 Atlanta Falcons .667 .471
Pick: 25 Indianapolis Colts .667 .477
Pick: 26 Baltimore Ravens .667 .518
Pick: 27 Dallas Cowboys .667 .523 [Traded to Detroit]
Pick: 28 Tampa Bay Buccaneers .750 .469
Pick: 29 Carolina Panthers .750 .510 [Traded to Philadelphia]
Pick: 30 Pittsburgh Steelers .750 .513
Pick: 31 Tennessee Titans .917 .440
Pick: 32 New York Giants .917 .503

*******Thanks to "frankmoore" on footballsfuture.com

Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:10 pm

Even if we WIN the division we are still likely going to lose in the 1st round, so we should be picking somewhere around 19...

swami · Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:04 pm

I doubt we win the division. We have to win two more than Min. and they have the Lions coming up. Plus, the Giants may be resting their starters in that week 17 game.

RING4CHI · Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:13 pm

swami wrote:I doubt we win the division. We have to win two more than Min. and they have the Lions coming up. Plus, the Giants may be resting their starters in that week 17 game.

After thinking about, my guess is the Giants WON'T rest their players in week 17. They didn't last year, while other teams did, and the Giants came out on top. Correlation? Maybe. Causation? Not exactly, but it just might be enough to get them to do it again this year.

Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:46 pm

I'd take Crabtree in a heartbeat. I hope he would fall to us if we got one of those shitty middler picks.

swami · Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:59 pm

I would take Duke Robinson 10 times before I drafted Crabtree. Duke is a crazy athlete who dominates at his position in a way that can be projected to the NFL. Crabtree is a dominant college player no doubt, but he's not a great athlete as a WR and TT's system is "different".

Don't get me wrong, I like Crabtree. I just like Robinson a lot more. I thin Duke is one of the best prospects in this draft. If a player at a different position was this much of a standout, he'd be a top 5 pick. That's how I feel about Robinson - he will be a dominant player at his position.

Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:46 pm

I agree fully Swam, but just looking at the bears draft pick, it's likely a shit-level 19-23 pick which has some skill-position players left, and also Angelo may be horny to trade out of the first round like the cowardly douche he is.

RumpShaker · Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:58 pm

looks like our chances of getting a good pick are looking better and better by each passing game..... I really wish that was a good thing....

Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:23 am

I imagine we will have the "I hope we don't win so we get a better draft pick" horseshit again...

gaba · Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:32 am

This team kind of sucks and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't win another game. In fact, at this point I don't know that I would actually care if they win another game. That being said, I'd still rather have a win than a slightly higher draft pick. Doesn't really matter to me. I'd just as soon see it traded for some talent anyway.

swami · Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:14 am

Once we're eliminated from the playoffs, I could care less whether we win or lose. Wins are pretty meaningless at that point.

RING4CHI · Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:53 pm

swami wrote:Once we're eliminated from the playoffs, I could care less whether we win or lose. Wins are pretty meaningless at that point.

Unless it's against the Packers.

gaba · Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:53 am

Nah, I still want to win, even if I know it's hurting us in the long run.

G08 · Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:28 am

wab wrote:I imagine we will have the "I hope we don't win so we get a better draft pick" horseshit again...

I still stand by it. I'll never actively root against my beloved, but I'm all about the post-season and championships. Looks like those two wins last year really helped us out this year, didn't they? Sure, beating Green Bay always feels good, but who the fuck cares about the Saints game at the end of the year where we were dead? It pretty much cost us Ryan Clady, who seems to be doing very well over in Denver. But hey, we beat dem Saints last year

RING4CHI · Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:52 am

LOOK AT HOW ORTON PLAYED IN THOSE LAST 2 GAMES LAST YEAR AGAINST THE PACKERS AND THE SAINTS! YOU DON'T THINK THAT HELPED HIM AT ALL? YOU DON'T THINK THE WAY HE PLAYED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR DIDN'T HELP HIM IN THE WAY HE'S PLAYED THIS YEAR?!

HEY ALL!! LET'S LOSE THE LAST TWO GAMES TO GET BETTER DRAFT POSITION! TO GET ONE PLAYER! BECAUSE THAT ONE GUY WILL MAKE THIS TEAM. WHO GIVES A SHIT HOW MUCH MORE MONEY IT COSTS TO COUGH UP TO A ROOKIE! LET'S GET BETTER DRAFT POSITION AND PUT ALL OUR EGGS AND FAITH INTO ONE GUY! YIPPIE!

Purely idiotic.

Otis Day · Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:58 pm

HEY ALL!! LET'S LOSE THE LAST TWO GAMES TO GET BETTER DRAFT POSITION! TO GET ONE PLAYER! BECAUSE THAT ONE GUY WILL MAKE THIS TEAM. WHO GIVES A SHIT HOW MUCH MORE MONEY IT COSTS TO COUGH UP TO A ROOKIE! LET'S GET BETTER DRAFT POSITION AND PUT ALL OUR EGGS AND FAITH INTO ONE GUY! YIPPIE!

Purely idiotic.

Well said imp.

I agree. Your season is not about the draft it is about winning games. So when you are eliminated from the playoffs, you should just be eliminated from further games, that seems to be some people's logic

G08 · Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:08 pm

HEY, DID WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR!? I don't know yet either, but I stand by my point of view. I can't sit here and say that Orton's Green Bay game and his New Orleans game has sprung him to his 80.1 QB rating this season. I would say it was his off-season work, dedication, and winning of a QB competition that's helped. Granted game experience is game experience, but I bet you he could have put up the SAME STATS and us lost the game and he'd STILL have around an 80 QB rating this season.

Nobody is saying we need to put our eggs in one basked based on our draft pick, but you DO realize how many holes we have, right? You do realize we pick THAT MUCH HIGHER in EACH ROUND of the DRAFT, right? You do realize that WINNING THOSE TWO MEANINGLESS GAMES LAST SEASON didn't mean SHIT in the end, right? Where are we now? Same story same bullshit. What happened? We drafted Chris Williams and he blew out his back and missed the season. Ryan Clady would have anchored the left side of our line THIS SEASON.

Don't tell me moving up in the draft is meaningless. There is a reason teams give up A LOT to move up just a couple spots. You can have those two meaningless games, I'll take a higher pick over a lower one any day of the week, especially considering how many flaws our current roster contains.

I love winning, I get off on that shit. But winning when we have no shot of progressing into the playoffs? Sure, I'll smile, but in the end our season is over. The only "good" is that if we lost those meaningless games, I wouldn't take it as hard as if they mattered.

I'll be rooting my ass off for this team regardless, but if we are out of playoff contention and we lose to the Texans, you won't see me boo-hooing. Green Bay... that's a different story

RING4CHI · Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:29 pm

G08 wrote:Nobody is saying we need to put our eggs in one basked based on our draft pick, but you DO realize how many holes we have, right? You do realize we pick THAT MUCH HIGHER in EACH ROUND of the DRAFT, right?

You do realize that teams rotate draft order in each round with the teams they finished with the same record with, right? So if the Bears are first in line in the first round, they move to the back of the line with the teams of the same record the next round and rotate up one spot the next round and so on, so they wouldn't do as much moving up in each round as you think.

Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:09 pm

The way I look at it if we have any first round pick thats in the top 20 it's eligible for trade in Angelo's mind.

G08 · Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:51 pm

imprint3454 wrote: You do realize that teams rotate draft order in each round with the teams they finished with the same record with, right? So if the Bears are first in line in the first round, they move to the back of the line with the teams of the same record the next round and rotate up one spot the next round and so on, so they wouldn't do as much moving up in each round as you think.

Right, but you'd still be higher up than if you had the 2 meaningless wins. Either way, it's the same logic.

Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:09 pm

<shug>

I just can't get on board with the idea. It's one of the few thngs we disagree on...

G08 · Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:02 am

It's difficult because nobody ever wants their team to lose. It's not like I'm rooting for Green Bay and Houston to beat us if we are out of playoff contention. No I still want to see my favorite team on Earth win, but when I sit down and think about it I can't understand why winning games and costing draft position would be a smarter option than losing those games and moving up the boards. Look at my Clady/Williams argument for proof.

Besides, how many of you during this season sat and thought, "Man... those Green Bay and New Orleans wins last season was the shit?" Now how many of you during this season sat and thought, "Fuck, we drafted a gimpy Chris Williams and he blew out his back."

Just sayin...

Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:35 am

Yeah, but whos to say JA wouldn't have drafted Williams regardless of where we picked? The draft is a crapshoot that take place in the future...I'm about the now and watching my team win. Especially if there is still a slim chance at the playoffs...

Plus...when you look back at it, OT hasn't even really been that much of a problem...it's been DE and WR. Williams by all accounts is going to be as healthy as ever after a year off, and has IMO extended his career...

Otis Day · Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:54 am

Who is to say Clady would not have gotten hurt if we would have drafted him.

If you have faith in JA's first rd picks you may be one of the few. Grossman, Haynes. He gets rid of picks and takes D Manning early.

The draft is a bitch and to be honest with you I always shutter at the though of who JA is going to pick early. With his ability to draft D late I don't worry about the holes on D. He needs to pick impact O players and outside of Forte the jury is still out.