QB Prospect Discussion: Deshaun Watson, Clemson

College football and the NFL Draft

Moderator: wab

User avatar
thunderspirit
Head Coach
Posts: 3829
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:51 pm
Location: Greater Chicagoland, IL
Has thanked: 605 times
Been thanked: 603 times

According to Ourlads (who, for pure stats, I trust more than Water Football):
Davis Webb: 56 mph
CJ Beathard: 55 mph
Trevor Knight: 55 mph
Patrick Mahomes II: 55 mph
Mitchell Trubisky: 55 mph
Nathan Peterman: 53 mph
DeShone Kizer: 52 mph
Joshua Dobbs: 51 mph
Jerod Evans: 51 mph
Brad Kayaa: 48 mph
Cooper Rush: 46 mph
Sefo Liufau: 46 mph
Deshaun Watson: 45 mph

If Watson had Rush's accuracy, I'd be okay with his velocity in the type of system Loggains runs. But he doesn't.
KFFL refugee.

dplank wrote:I agree with Rich here
RichH55 wrote: Dplank is correct
:shocked:
User avatar
G08
Hall of Famer
Posts: 20560
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: Football Hell
Has thanked: 209 times
Been thanked: 758 times

Just watch the games man. If you think Kaaya has a stronger arm than Watson, you'll need to get those eyes checked.

Mahomes has one of the, if not THE, strongest arms in this draft... Peterman can't hold his jock.
9 PLAYOFF APPEARANCES IN THE PAST 35 SEASONS

User avatar
UOK
Site Admin
Posts: 25147
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:07 am
Location: Champaign, IL
Has thanked: 108 times
Been thanked: 926 times

Bears didn't bring in Watson for a private workout, nor did they have a visit.
Image
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29805
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 127 times
Been thanked: 1956 times

UOK wrote:Bears didn't bring in Watson for a private workout, nor did they have a visit.
But they did text him!
ysleblanc
MVP
Posts: 1949
Joined: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:07 am

G08 wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
G08 wrote:Watson has the quickest release in this draft, same exact time as Aaron Rodgers.

Ball velocity comes out about 2mph slower than Kizer/Trubisky.
Not from what I've seen:
https://walterfootball.com/combine2017QB.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mine come from actual games, not the Combine where players are not told to throw the ball as hard as they can.

At the Combine, you're focused on accuracy.

Release to me is as important if not more than arm strength. A quick release gives DB's and LB's less time to react.
User avatar
Nanky
Journeyman
Posts: 227
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:58 am
Location: Sioux Falls, SD

ysleblanc wrote:
G08 wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
G08 wrote:Watson has the quickest release in this draft, same exact time as Aaron Rodgers.

Ball velocity comes out about 2mph slower than Kizer/Trubisky.
Not from what I've seen:
https://walterfootball.com/combine2017QB.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mine come from actual games, not the Combine where players are not told to throw the ball as hard as they can.

At the Combine, you're focused on accuracy.

Release to me is as important if not more than arm strength. A quick release gives DB's and LB's less time to react.
So does a quick release make up for the horrible velocity? I don't believe it does.
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29805
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 127 times
Been thanked: 1956 times

Deshaun Watson Issued A Warning To The Chicago Bears

The Chicago Bears Deshaun Watson connection runs deep by this point. Weeks ago it was established that the Clemson star was the likely preferred target of the franchise as their potential future franchise QB. Not surprising. His incredible production, 28-2 record between 2015 and 2016, and national championship victory over Alabama checked every box for what GM Ryan Pace claims to look for in a quarterback.

Rumors continue to persist that the team remains interested, but may not be willing to venture the risk. Not at #3 overall anyway. This would explain why the Bears are so intent on trying to move down via trade. That would provide a better player-for-pick value. Not as much of a perceived “reach.” It makes plenty of sense on paper. That said it also may come with a stern warning. Not from the draft experts either. From Watson himself.

Bears Deshaun Watson relationship rests on a promise

The young quarterback comes across as cool, humble and genuine in his interview. That, however, belies how relentless a competitor he is. One does not win so many close games as he has without a stubborn refusal to be anything less than the best. That would explain his comments when asked about his comparison to fellow top quarterback, Mitch Trubisky of North Carolina. In an interview with Good Morning Football on the NFL Network, he basically warned the Bears and other NFL teams that they would regret passing on him.
“YOU’RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES THAT COME WITH IT. THAT’S HOW I SEE IT,” WATSON RESPONDED. “I TRY TO STAY IN MY LANE. I TRY NOT TO TAKE THE PATH. I RESPECT MITCH AND WHAT HE’S DONE AND ALL THE HYPE HE’S GETTING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MY RESULT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. I FEEL LIKE I’VE ACCOMPLISHED EVERYTHING THAT I COULD. I GUESS IF THAT’S WHO THEY’RE GONNA ROLL WITH, SO BE IT.”
Shades of Manning

This comes across as a clear look into the man’s mind. An unbreakable self-confidence and quiet assurance that he’s going to succeed no matter where he ends up. It reflects a similar mentality to none other than the great Peyton Manning. His statement to the Indianapolis Colts prior to the 1998 draft still resonate with people and remains a treasured story to this day.
‘I’LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS THOUGHT: IF YOU TAKE ME, I PROMISE YOU WE WILL WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. IF YOU DON’T, I PROMISE I’LL COME BACK AND KICK YOUR ASS.’
Of course being in front of cameras, Watson wasn’t going to say it like that. Nonetheless that’s almost the exact same meaning behind his words. Find any excuse you need to not do it, but don’t cry and moan in five years when I’m leading my team to a Super Bowl. This is the sort of bravado teams want in their quarterbacks, which is why Watson is loved by scouts everywhere. Even in spite of his physical shortcomings. Every NFL team wants a leader under center. Somebody who refuses to accept anything less than the best from teammates and himself. Watson proved he was that guy in college. Are the Bears willing to let him prove it again in the NFL?
User avatar
G08
Hall of Famer
Posts: 20560
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: Football Hell
Has thanked: 209 times
Been thanked: 758 times

I kind of could see Watson fall close to round 2...
9 PLAYOFF APPEARANCES IN THE PAST 35 SEASONS

User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15958
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 103 times

I am certainly convinced Watson is the real deal, and will become a valuable QB for whoever is smart enough to grab him
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15958
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 103 times

Houston is a perfect spot for Watson. They have the defense to cover for any mistakes he makes, he has offensive team mates to work with, and he is with a QB friendly coach who won't accept any bullshit.

I think Watson will be the Texans starter, and I think the Texans go to the playoffs.
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
User avatar
UOK
Site Admin
Posts: 25147
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:07 am
Location: Champaign, IL
Has thanked: 108 times
Been thanked: 926 times

[video][/video]
Image
User avatar
bearsfaninaz
Head Coach
Posts: 2303
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:33 pm
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 7 times

UOK wrote:[video][/video]
He's just not accurate over 15 yards imo. He was missing guys by yards not feet on the deep throws. Also he's mostly in shotgun which won't fly long term either if the Texans want to establish a run game.
User avatar
staleystarch
Assistant Coach
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:08 pm

It's only one game against 2s and 3s and his completion percentage was 60% which would be great in the 1980s. I think we already knew he could run. Once he has to go against a first string D with a game plan he better get more accurate.
"We don’t know exactly what we’re doing” -- John Fox
User avatar
G08
Hall of Famer
Posts: 20560
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: Football Hell
Has thanked: 209 times
Been thanked: 758 times

I watched all his snaps... he looked fucking good. Sailed a couple throws, locked onto one side of the field once, but other than that.... man.

For those that questioned his arm strength, he ripped one 66 fucking yards in the air from release point to landing.
9 PLAYOFF APPEARANCES IN THE PAST 35 SEASONS

User avatar
staleystarch
Assistant Coach
Posts: 506
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:08 pm

G08 wrote:I watched all his snaps... he looked fucking good. Sailed a couple throws, locked onto one side of the field once, but other than that.... man.

For those that questioned his arm strength, he ripped one 66 fucking yards in the air from release point to landing.
The most impressive rookie on the field was not even a Texan but everything is Watson Watson Watson. I get he's a QB and has been a media favorite since before the draft. He played well but not well enough for the fawning he is getting. At least that's my opinion.
"We don’t know exactly what we’re doing” -- John Fox
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7336
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 555 times
Been thanked: 967 times

staleystarch wrote:
G08 wrote:I watched all his snaps... he looked fucking good. Sailed a couple throws, locked onto one side of the field once, but other than that.... man.

For those that questioned his arm strength, he ripped one 66 fucking yards in the air from release point to landing.
The most impressive rookie on the field was not even a Texan but everything is Watson Watson Watson. I get he's a QB and has been a media favorite since before the draft. He played well but not well enough for the fawning he is getting. At least that's my opinion.
yeah, i think he played middle of the road enough that you can kind of see his performance through the prism of your already established opinion.
Image
User avatar
Adipost
MVP
Posts: 1295
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:54 am

G08 wrote:I watched all his snaps... he looked fucking good. Sailed a couple throws, locked onto one side of the field once, but other than that.... man.

For those that questioned his arm strength, he ripped one 66 fucking yards in the air from release point to landing.
His arm definitely looked alive.
User avatar
FaithInCutler
MVP
Posts: 1687
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:58 pm

Honestly, I think this kid has bust written all over him. He has made horrible decisions in college and I don't see that changing at the pro level. I LOVED this kid in college and initially wanted us to draft him. Mid-way though last year I started changing my tune. Until he proves that he can transition to the pro game and make good decisions with the football he will only take them as far as Housons next Drafted QB. He has enough pure talent to stick around for a while, but he will never be a top 20 QB IMO. Hope I'm wrong because I have nothing against the guy.
"dooooonnn'tt ccaaaaaaarrrreeeeeee" - Jay Cutler
User avatar
southdakbearfan
Head Coach
Posts: 4600
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:23 pm
Location: South Dakota
Has thanked: 763 times
Been thanked: 328 times

He threw a boatload of interceptions in college, what QB that did that has had much success in the pros?
User avatar
Adipost
MVP
Posts: 1295
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:54 am

FaithInCutler wrote:Honestly, I think this kid has bust written all over him. He has made horrible decisions in college and I don't see that changing at the pro level. I LOVED this kid in college and initially wanted us to draft him. Mid-way though last year I started changing my tune. Until he proves that he can transition to the pro game and make good decisions with the football he will only take them as far as Housons next Drafted QB. He has enough pure talent to stick around for a while, but he will never be a top 20 QB IMO. Hope I'm wrong because I have nothing against the guy.
Bill O'Brien is not gonna do him any favors.
User avatar
FaithInCutler
MVP
Posts: 1687
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:58 pm

My thought is that if you want to gamble on a guy who makes poor decisions, I like Mahomes up-side much more.
"dooooonnn'tt ccaaaaaaarrrreeeeeee" - Jay Cutler
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7336
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 555 times
Been thanked: 967 times

i'm not a big bill o'brien fan, but it's neat how he was like "tom savage has earned the right to start for us" and then like half a game later he was like "nope."
hey, and now the texans are world beaters!

i wish there was some direct parallel between their situation and ours, but i got nothing.
Image
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7336
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 555 times
Been thanked: 967 times

[video][/video]

brett kollmann did a great video about deshaun's last few weeks.
Image
User avatar
G08
Hall of Famer
Posts: 20560
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:34 pm
Location: Football Hell
Has thanked: 209 times
Been thanked: 758 times

RustyTrubisky wrote:[video][/video]

brett kollmann did a great video about deshaun's last few weeks.
Image
9 PLAYOFF APPEARANCES IN THE PAST 35 SEASONS

User avatar
Otis Day
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8061
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:43 pm
Location: Armpit of IL.
Has thanked: 120 times
Been thanked: 306 times

Funny looking back at all this shit. I was down on him due to college ints. I have enjoyed watching this dude kick ass so far. Kid is the goods.
User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15958
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 103 times

Otis Day wrote:Funny looking back at all this shit. I was down on him due to college ints. I have enjoyed watching this dude kick ass so far. Kid is the goods.

I saw him play a lot in college and knew he was legit ... him leading the win over the Alabama Saban's sealed it for me

I am happy he is doing well, unhappy it isn't for the Bears
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
User avatar
malk
Head Coach
Posts: 3625
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:10 am
Has thanked: 133 times
Been thanked: 204 times

Boris13c wrote:
Otis Day wrote:Funny looking back at all this shit. I was down on him due to college ints. I have enjoyed watching this dude kick ass so far. Kid is the goods.

I saw him play a lot in college and knew he was legit ... him leading the win over the Alabama Saban's sealed it for me

I am happy he is doing well, unhappy it isn't for the Bears
Interesting to see how his career goes compared to Trubisky. Given what we gave up for him with one of him or Watson guaranteed at #3 Pace did stick his neck out quite a bit.

Of course comparing QBs across teams/systems/situations is a fool's errand but since we'll end up doing it anyway.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".

Noted Brain Genius Malk, Summer 2018.

(2020 update, wait, was I right...)
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29805
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 127 times
Been thanked: 1956 times

I said during the draft that I think Watson will be better sooner, but probably won't have as long/consistent of a career as Trubs.
User avatar
Boris13c
Hall of Famer
Posts: 15958
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:30 am
Location: The Bear Nebula
Has thanked: 38 times
Been thanked: 103 times

[video][/video]
"Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things."
George Carlin
Post Reply