He may as well retire and Pace should probably be lined up and shot for wasting a precious, invaluable 6th round pick on this obvious bust.Hiphopopotamos wrote:We just drafted a guy in Fitts who was literally injured in every game he did (and mostly did not) play at Utah.
Ugh.
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UOK wrote:He may as well retire and Pace should probably be lined up and shot for wasting a precious, invaluable 6th round pick on this obvious bust.Hiphopopotamos wrote:We just drafted a guy in Fitts who was literally injured in every game he did (and mostly did not) play at Utah.
Ugh.
I didn’t say he was a bust - seemingly he has a ton of potential - but this kid has literally been injured every time he steps on a football field.
I think I would have rather spent the pick on a high upside kid who can stay on the field but needs more coaching/focus.
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Fitts was a top 10 reqruit. I’d say he has potential.
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Hematite wrote: worth the risk in the 6th.
Tell that to all these buffoons on twitter and around the Bears intertronz who are furious that Pace isn't drafting obvious 16-game starters/Pro Bowlers in rounds 6 and 7. You'd think he'd cut the throats of their children when he took Iggy in the 4th.
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NFL Network giving Pace love for this draft. Guess Hub should let them know that their love for ‘3rd round talent’ Balil Nichols.
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Wait until he misses on that future Hall of Famer in the 7th round!UOK wrote:Hematite wrote: worth the risk in the 6th.
Tell that to all these buffoons on twitter and around the Bears intertronz who are furious that Pace isn't drafting obvious 16-game starters/Pro Bowlers in rounds 6 and 7. You'd think he'd cut the throats of their children when he took Iggy in the 4th.
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I love this draft. Love it.
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Overall I’m a big fan of how it played out.
Me too. I think Pace has done an outstanding job in the main. I confess to being a bit nervous about our lack of pass rush though. But I wonder whether they might try to bring back Houston or Young on a 1 year deal and then address edge rusher properly in FA or the draft next year. I'd certainly ask Young to go fishin' again for us in a heartbeat, 32 yrs old or not.
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If we want to be lazy we can say Kylie Fitts, when compared to Harold Landry:wab wrote:Fitts was a top 10 reqruit. I’d say he has potential.
Taller
Heavier
MUCH stronger
similar 10 yard split
exact same shuttle
exact same cone
Key to this dude is staying healthy, but shit I'll roll the dice on someone like this in round 6 every single time.
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I posted my drafts earlier in the thread, here is what I ended up with.
1. OLB - Marcus Davenort
2a. OLB - Harold Landry
2b. C - James Daniels
4. RT - Will Richardson (needs work but with HH he should be able to compete for RT next year when Massie is gone)
Traded our 5th No. 156 and No. 226 from the Broncos
5. [156] - WR - Equanimeous St Brown (physical mismatch that gets to work on getting bigger/stronger to take full advantage of his physical gifts)
6. QB - Alex McGough (physically very similar to Tru, I have a 4th grade on him. I think he gets to work and if Tru gets hurt in 2019 or beyond we get to keep basically the same offense for him to hold the fort down)
7a. WR Marcell Ateman (another big body WR, I see a guy who is pretty similar to Allen Robinson and can play the X in time.)
7b. [226] - OL - Jordan Mailata (6'8", 345 pounds, and ATHLETIC frame. Dude has almost no bad weight and ran the 40 in something like a 5.09 or something, showed good movement in the mirror drill.I put him in as a blocking TE if we get a big lead to protect Shaheen and Burton (fuck Sims), a goal line FB, PATs, and let HH develop a physical freak for a year or two. This guy has LT traits and ability, and Jonathan Ogden size. Plus throw him in on trying to block PATs and FGs. Just get him on the field when his size is an advantage.
1. OLB - Marcus Davenort
2a. OLB - Harold Landry
2b. C - James Daniels
4. RT - Will Richardson (needs work but with HH he should be able to compete for RT next year when Massie is gone)
Traded our 5th No. 156 and No. 226 from the Broncos
5. [156] - WR - Equanimeous St Brown (physical mismatch that gets to work on getting bigger/stronger to take full advantage of his physical gifts)
6. QB - Alex McGough (physically very similar to Tru, I have a 4th grade on him. I think he gets to work and if Tru gets hurt in 2019 or beyond we get to keep basically the same offense for him to hold the fort down)
7a. WR Marcell Ateman (another big body WR, I see a guy who is pretty similar to Allen Robinson and can play the X in time.)
7b. [226] - OL - Jordan Mailata (6'8", 345 pounds, and ATHLETIC frame. Dude has almost no bad weight and ran the 40 in something like a 5.09 or something, showed good movement in the mirror drill.I put him in as a blocking TE if we get a big lead to protect Shaheen and Burton (fuck Sims), a goal line FB, PATs, and let HH develop a physical freak for a year or two. This guy has LT traits and ability, and Jonathan Ogden size. Plus throw him in on trying to block PATs and FGs. Just get him on the field when his size is an advantage.
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His numbers are pretty similar to Soloman Thomas actually. Thomas was the superior athlete, but sure as hell doesn't just leave Fitts in the dust.G08 wrote:If we want to be lazy we can say Kylie Fitts, when compared to Harold Landry:wab wrote:Fitts was a top 10 reqruit. I’d say he has potential.
Taller
Heavier
MUCH stronger
similar 10 yard split
exact same shuttle
exact same cone
Key to this dude is staying healthy, but shit I'll roll the dice on someone like this in round 6 every single time.
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Love this draft. I didn't think Roquan would be there for us at 6 - he was one of the top 3 non-QB players in this draft and we got him.
I had Anthony Miller in most of my mock draft simulations. He's an excellent pickup and should be an immediate contributor.
Balil Nichols looks like an FCS steal. Everything I've found from his East/West performance says that he didn't look out of place at all despite the step up in competition. Huge kid with elite measureables.
Wasn't a fan of the Fitts pick just because of the injury history - but if they can figure out a way to keep him healthy... He could be a player.
I had Anthony Miller in most of my mock draft simulations. He's an excellent pickup and should be an immediate contributor.
Balil Nichols looks like an FCS steal. Everything I've found from his East/West performance says that he didn't look out of place at all despite the step up in competition. Huge kid with elite measureables.
Wasn't a fan of the Fitts pick just because of the injury history - but if they can figure out a way to keep him healthy... He could be a player.
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IMO the Bears got three 1st round players with their first three picks.
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Still want for McPhee to have restructured but I'll be disappointed if we don't get Houston back now.britbear wrote:Me too. I think Pace has done an outstanding job in the main. I confess to being a bit nervous about our lack of pass rush though. But I wonder whether they might try to bring back Houston or Young on a 1 year deal and then address edge rusher properly in FA or the draft next year. I'd certainly ask Young to go fishin' again for us in a heartbeat, 32 yrs old or not.
Really happy with the draft in general though, only one head scratcher and I love the potential upside from Fitts and Wims in the 6th and 7th, why not swing for the fences.
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Then your high. Miller was a third rounder. You could make the case second, but this draft didn't have first round talent at WR like that.wab wrote:IMO the Bears got three 1st round players with their first three picks.
Daniels was a second round talent and could be very good. He has a pretty big hole in his game with strength. As Grasu about that.
Miller was pretty commonly considered a second rounder in mocks and player projections.mmmc_35 wrote:Then your high. Miller was a third rounder. You could make the case second, but this draft didn't have first round talent at WR like that.wab wrote:IMO the Bears got three 1st round players with their first three picks.
Daniels was a second round talent and could be very good. He has a pretty big hole in his game with strength. As Grasu about that.
Daniels is stronger than Whitehair coming out of college. You’re hammering on that for no apparent reason.
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No he isn't. Bench press and play strength are very different. I am not hammering him, he could be very good. He needs to dread lift and box squat like a mother trucker and stay healthy.
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Daniels is stronger than Grasu.mmmc_35 wrote:Then your high. Miller was a third rounder. You could make the case second, but this draft didn't have first round talent at WR like that.wab wrote:IMO the Bears got three 1st round players with their first three picks.
Daniels was a second round talent and could be very good. He has a pretty big hole in his game with strength. As Grasu about that.
Miller was WR2 on many draft boards.
But continue with your role.
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Agreed. Smith and Daniels speak for themselves. The more I watch of Miller the more I agree with your assessment.wab wrote:IMO the Bears got three 1st round players with their first three picks.
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Yes on many boards he was. On many he was a third. If you watch him you would probably put him in a 2/3rd category. I went with the latter.Hiphopopotamos wrote:Daniels is stronger than Grasu.mmmc_35 wrote:Then your high. Miller was a third rounder. You could make the case second, but this draft didn't have first round talent at WR like that.wab wrote:IMO the Bears got three 1st round players with their first three picks.
Daniels was a second round talent and could be very good. He has a pretty big hole in his game with strength. As Grasu about that.
Miller was WR2 on many draft boards.
But continue with your role.
Daniels does hold the point better then Grasu but still needs to get better. At Center I believe he will be really good.
I know this is way too late, but I just read an incredibly interesting study performed by highly respected analytics professor Case Massey (U of C, Yale, Harvard) and Nobel prize winning economist Richard Thaler on the NFL draft trade value chart and NFL draft trades in general.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=697121
A question of increasing interest to researchers in a variety of fields is whether the biases found in judgment and decision making research remain present in contexts in which experienced participants face strong economic incentives. To investigate this question, we analyze the decision making of National Football League teams during their annual player draft. This is a domain in which monetary stakes are exceedingly high and the opportunities for learning are rich. It is also a domain in which multiple psychological factors suggest teams may overvalue the chance to pick early in the draft. Using archival data on draft-day trades, player performance and compensation, we compare the market value of draft picks with the surplus value to teams provided by the drafted players. We find that top draft picks are overvalued in a manner that is inconsistent with rational expectations and efficient markets and consistent with psychological research
Basically, trading up in the draft or trading away draft picks was proven to be incredibly irrational behavior. Trading down is almost always the right move, no matter what the trade value charts add up to.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=697121
A question of increasing interest to researchers in a variety of fields is whether the biases found in judgment and decision making research remain present in contexts in which experienced participants face strong economic incentives. To investigate this question, we analyze the decision making of National Football League teams during their annual player draft. This is a domain in which monetary stakes are exceedingly high and the opportunities for learning are rich. It is also a domain in which multiple psychological factors suggest teams may overvalue the chance to pick early in the draft. Using archival data on draft-day trades, player performance and compensation, we compare the market value of draft picks with the surplus value to teams provided by the drafted players. We find that top draft picks are overvalued in a manner that is inconsistent with rational expectations and efficient markets and consistent with psychological research
Basically, trading up in the draft or trading away draft picks was proven to be incredibly irrational behavior. Trading down is almost always the right move, no matter what the trade value charts add up to.
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I have read skimmed that. 5th rounds for everyone. I think his premise makes sense, but should be incorporated with talent levels. Sure Hunter Hillenmyer was successful to a degree but he couldn't hold Urlachers jock.
I find it really interesting that player surplus values actually go up the further you go down in the 1st round. The #32 pick is more valuable than the #1 pick.mmmc_35 wrote:I have read skimmed that. 5th rounds for everyone. I think his premise makes sense, but should be incorporated with talent levels. Sure Hunter Hillenmyer was successful to a degree but he couldn't hold Urlachers jock.
Explains why there was no trade. Smith was the Bears’ guy...
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/991 ... 06752?s=20
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/991 ... 06752?s=20
Their guy could have been Chubb or Nelson. He said he made those calls as he was negotiating with Denver. Pace was inquiring aboot trading up as well.BR0D1E86 wrote:Explains why there was no trade. Smith was the Bears’ guy...
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/991 ... 06752?s=20
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Yeah, I agree that the premise makes sense (i.e., more chances are almost always better), but even with numerical grades the evaluation of talent is inexact, and practically speaking playmakers win games, and playmaking is hard to quantify.mmmc_35 wrote:I have read skimmed that. 5th rounds for everyone. I think his premise makes sense, but should be incorporated with talent levels. Sure Hunter Hillenmyer was successful to a degree but he couldn't hold Urlachers jock.
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