Can We Talk About Witzman and the Right Side of the O Line?

[ramentaschen]

Thoughts please on whether this dude is just a one year stop gap guy and if he has been effective in the run game. Also, replace Massie in 2019?

[cblaz11]

He’s played ok...Once he gets his hands on you guys struggle to separate. He was very slow out of the gate on passing off blocks but he’s improved.

Personally, I think Massie has played very well this year. Heading into next year we have Whitehair, Daniels, and, Leno returning for sure. I think Coward is a guy they view as a future starter, just not sure if it’s at OG or OT. Long could end up a cap casualty next year although I’m not certain about his contract details.

Massies deal is up this offseason, I’d like him back but only if it’s close to what he’s getting now. Maybe a 2 year deal at like 11 million. (He’s only 29)

[cblaz11]

Also, I think it should be noted that Pace has Leno locked up through 2021 at a very conservative 9 million per year. When you look at left tackle money, and compare what he’s accomplished and how he’s playing, that’s a steal. To me, that contract is a big reason we were able to get Mack. Having your young LT locked up at that cost allows a lot of flexibility.

[malk]

At 29 I expect Massie will be looking at how many years/total guarantee rather than maximising the average per year over a shorter period. Wagner bumped up the market last year which is a pain for our cap but I'd hope we can keep hold of Massie without having to increase much, if we want.

Pace needs to be looking at where savings can be made in preparation for Trubisky, we've got two more years on the rookie deal, then it jumps to a little over $20m then we'll be looking down the barrel of $30m per year.

Being able to cut him after a couple of years is definitely some flexibility the team would like!

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

I brought this up shortly after he started filling in for Long. I think Witzmann has done a really nice job in pass pro, because he knows this offense and knows how to block the pass plays. I think he has been pretty poor in run blocking, which is why they always seem to run the ball to the left. He isn't the road grader that Long was. I think he's the type of player that could be coached up by Heistand and make improvements in that area, but I guarantee you Nagy values his pass blocking more than anything else.

I think the whole line has done a good job this year. Don't know much about Coward, except that he was a former defensive lineman. He has good size. If Massie demands too much, maybe he steps in.

[G08]

He's just a guy. Not sure what the future holds for Long but I won't be surprised if the right side of our line is overhauled next season.

[wab]

He's nothing great. His pass pro is decent, and it's miles better than his run blocking. I'm honestly surprised he's playing over Kush, because Kush...while not overly talented, is a better rounded player. So I wonder if the neck thing is worse than originally thought.

Witzmann is a classic journeyman. He might stick as a swing guy/replacement for Sowell next season, but I don't think he's a long term starter.

As far as Massey goes, he's steady and reliable. He's played pretty well, but they kept Coward on the 53 for a reason.

I'm with G08, I think the right side looks completely different next year.

[bearsfaninaz]

I see Long staying personally with Coward becoming our RT depending on draft of course.

[southdakbearfan]

I see Long staying personally with Coward becoming our RT depending on draft of course.

Yep, Wintzmann is a stopgap that is performing ok which means he hasn't shit the bed.

I see Long staying and Massie will depend on dollars/length. He just seems like a guy that could drop off quickly back to his previous norm.

[KhalilSackDaddy]

He's better then Kush was, and I thought Kush played pretty well last year, both have struggled at run blocking though. Need to find a more reliable backup OG, Long cannot seem to stay healthy, so even if he's the starter next year, need a guy that can step in and play at a higher level then their current backups.

[wab]

Witzmann was baaaaad today. Leno didn’t have a great day either. Oh, and Whitehair’s snap problems surfaced again today.

But Witzmann was baaaaad.

[dplank]

Whitehair's snaps weren't that bad. Daniel's inability to catch them was straight out of a horror movie. He was worse today than Craig Krenzel.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Whitehair's snaps weren't that bad. Daniel's inability to catch them was straight out of a horror movie. He was worse today than Craig Krenzel.

I have to agree with this. None of those snaps were egregious, and should have been handled. I mean, WTF was up with Daniel fumbling the ball before he could even hand it off to Howard. That was ridiculous. The guy LOST it when the pressure was on in OT.

[EricTighe]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

[MoFugger]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

I can't believe people are actually blaming that timeout.

[EricTighe]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

I can't believe people are actually blaming that timeout.

Why not? Not attacking, but my son and I were thinking the same thing at halftime. As were many Bears fans that my son reads online.

[bearsfaninaz]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

I can't believe people are actually blaming that timeout.

Why not? Was a bad decision. Giants were going to run out clock and Nagy took it way later than should have if wanted ball back. The team lost momentum the next play and never really got it back.

[MoFugger]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

I can't believe people are actually blaming that timeout.

Why not? Not attacking, but my son and I were thinking the same thing at halftime. As were many Bears fans that my son reads online.

in hindsight it was a stupid idea, but it's not anywhere near the reason we lost.
Not being able to protect a quarterback that has no business being in a uniform is the reason. That and allowing the Giants to continually convert third Downs in the second half.
The announcer kept harping on that time out during the game too. I wanted to reach through my television rip out his larynx.
allowing them to cut our lead to four points with an entire half to go is not the reason we lost the game.

[bearsfaninaz]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

I can't believe people are actually blaming that timeout.

Why not? Not attacking, but my son and I were thinking the same thing at halftime. As were many Bears fans that my son reads online.

in hindsight it was a stupid idea, but it's not anywhere near the reason we lost.
Not being able to protect a quarterback that has no business being in a uniform is the reason. That and allowing the Giants to continually convert third Downs in the second half.
The announcer kept harping on that time out during the game too. I wanted to reach through my television rip out his larynx.
allowing them to cut our lead to four points with an entire half to go is not the reason we lost the game.

Remind me again how much they lost by?

[MoFugger]

Some of Whitehairs snaps were bad. The one that hit Daniels in the face mask was perfect.

Come on guys we lost for one reason and Nagy needs to own it. Calling a timeout with 17 seconds to go with anyone but Devin Hester as your return man is a mistake.
But other then that mistake we were left wondering how they beat us like the Patriots were left wondering twice.

I can't believe people are actually blaming that timeout.

Why not? Not attacking, but my son and I were thinking the same thing at halftime. As were many Bears fans that my son reads online.

in hindsight it was a stupid idea, but it's not anywhere near the reason we lost.
Not being able to protect a quarterback that has no business being in a uniform is the reason. That and allowing the Giants to continually convert third Downs in the second half.
The announcer kept harping on that time out during the game too. I wanted to reach through my television rip out his larynx.
allowing them to cut our lead to four points with an entire half to go is not the reason we lost the game.

Remind me again how much they lost by?

Irrelevant.

[wab]

Jesus. The pick 6 was way more relevant to why the Bears lost than the timeout.

[southdakbearfan]

they lost for a lot of reasons, poor decisions by the QB, poor decisions by the coach, defense being gassed and not stopping them, fumbles, take your pick. All of them added up to a loss.

[KhalilSackDaddy]

Jesus. The pick 6 was way more relevant to why the Bears lost than the timeout.

It was, but the TO seemed to have changed the momentum of the game. Giants all of a sudden felt like they had a legit shot again after they got the 1st down and a fg.

Both were big parts of the loss.

[MoFugger]

Jesus. The pick 6 was way more relevant to why the Bears lost than the timeout.

It was, but the TO seemed to have changed the momentum of the game. Giants all of a sudden felt like they had a legit shot again after they got the 1st down and a fg.

Both were big parts of the loss.

Because down 7 at the half they would have thought they had no shot?

[VA_Mountain_Bear]

Lots of things contributed. Gabriel not catching anything except for when he fumbles and lets them score. Miller dropping that pass at the 1 making us kick FG (if we get td there and still get the online kick and a td we win), coach choices, Chase being pretty bad early on not leading Robinson so dbs can swat the ball, locking onto only Robinson, never throwing the ball away to aviod sacks, never except once just going down for his sack instead of running backwards, the early Int, the Time out, ect....

Thank god we get Trubisky back next week.

But while I felt shitty during the game I am fine now guys. Wanna know why? Our whole division lost so we maintain the same lead for the playoff race! I mean it still sucks losing to a crap team, but we were down our starting QB. Look across the league upsets every where, Saints losing to Boys, Panthers losing to Bucs, Pack losing to Cardinals, Colts getting shut out.....it was one out of whack weekend.

[KhalilSackDaddy]

Jesus. The pick 6 was way more relevant to why the Bears lost than the timeout.

It was, but the TO seemed to have changed the momentum of the game. Giants all of a sudden felt like they had a legit shot again after they got the 1st down and a fg.

Both were big parts of the loss.

Because down 7 at the half they would have thought they had no shot?

Down 10 at half if they don't get the 1st and a fg, which they don't if Nagy doesn't call the TO. That O had done nothing all half, the 7 points they had was from a def pick 6. That NY O was defeated and Nagy gave them an ounce of life.

[MoFugger]

Jesus. The pick 6 was way more relevant to why the Bears lost than the timeout.

It was, but the TO seemed to have changed the momentum of the game. Giants all of a sudden felt like they had a legit shot again after they got the 1st down and a fg.

Both were big parts of the loss.

Because down 7 at the half they would have thought they had no shot?

Down 10 at half if they don't get the 1st and a fg, which they don't if Nagy doesn't call the TO. That O had done nothing all half, the 7 points they had was from a def pick 6. That NY O was defeated and Nagy gave them an ounce of life.

Halftime score was 14-10. Without the FG they're down 7.

[KOP_Snake]

I think the final 20 points given up in the 2nd half/OT hurt more than the 3 at the end of the half.

[KhalilSackDaddy]

Jesus. The pick 6 was way more relevant to why the Bears lost than the timeout.

It was, but the TO seemed to have changed the momentum of the game. Giants all of a sudden felt like they had a legit shot again after they got the 1st down and a fg.

Both were big parts of the loss.

Because down 7 at the half they would have thought they had no shot?

Down 10 at half if they don't get the 1st and a fg, which they don't if Nagy doesn't call the TO. That O had done nothing all half, the 7 points they had was from a def pick 6. That NY O was defeated and Nagy gave them an ounce of life.

Halftime score was 14-10. Without the FG they're down 7.

yep, but the NY O has scored 0 and done nothing that entire half, that 7 points was the Oglegtree pick 6. The NY team was ready to just run out the clock, w/the TO they decided to take a shot and it worked out in their favor; that TO gave them all the momentum going into half; and it carried over w/a TD on the first drive of the 3rd qtr.

And really, what was Nagy thinking was going to happen if they got the ball back? Chase was going to drive the ball and get a score? Not w/the way he was playing he wasn't. Just a bad decision that killed his teams momentum.

[MoFugger]

Fine. You win. Nagy lost the game by calling a time out in the 2nd qtr. If not for that, the Bears were a guaranteed victory.
Fire him now.