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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:37 pm

Me as the Bears were driving down the field with 56 seconds left...to when my buddy said "You know it's going to come down to Parkey right"...to the miss.

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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:57 pm

wab wrote:Me as the Bears were driving down the field with 56 seconds left...to when my buddy said "You know it's going to come down to Parkey right"...to the miss.

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When the Eagles were driving down with 3 minutes left, I was like. "I can see where this is going..."
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Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ??? WTH

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:05 pm

What I still keep finding my self going back to is why the Bears coaches did not line it up right in the middle of the field to kick it. Parkey always missed it during the year on the hash from either side and hes pretty good from straight down the middle no thinking involved. When your at the Hash mark you cant just kick it straight you have to give it just that little bit of push to the left or right which it not easy as we found out. When you have a kicker with issues why give him another issue to go through his head :frustrated: . I know I know I was yelling at the TV also... that you have to make that kick and you get paid to make that kick but just that little bit seems what cost us. I'm excited for next year it was going to be tough to win on the road this year to go to Superbowl and next year we can just get home field throughout which I forget what the odds are but they are huge for making it to Superbowl. Miami here we come through Soldier Field!! 14-2 season record. Need Fangio back is huge of course. Please Stay Fangio!!!
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:27 pm

wab wrote:Me as the Bears were driving down the field with 56 seconds left...to when my buddy said "You know it's going to come down to Parkey right"...to the miss.

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No bullshit, this is EXACTLY what I did. My wife said I didn't make a sound, got up and went to the bedroom, removed my jersey and put it back in the closet and sat back on the other couch in silence.
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Re: Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ???

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:47 pm

Well it was blocked... so.
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Re: Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ???

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:01 pm

Getting a finger skinning the football is not a block in my book sorry Parkey still missed it. High School, College and Pro's still try to get their kicker in the middle of the field which is the reason I asked. Seems not that important till its missed unfortunately.
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Re: Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ???

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:06 pm

LET...IT...GO...

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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm

wab wrote:Looking back objectively, the OL was pretty average overall all season.
Surprisingly good in pass pro and surprisingly bad in run blocking I figure. Leno looked off on Sunday to my naked eye. Without draft picks I don't know how we turn it around quickly, unless Coward really pans out.
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Re: Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ???

Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:11 pm

Kickers have their preferences, not every wants it in the middle of the hashes.

Don't know what Parkey prefers, don't give a fucking shit at this point -- that dude is dead to me.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:29 am

I never doubted for a minute that we were going to win that game until the very end. It was all right there for the taking. First half offense played like shit yet the game was still winnable. Foles throwing up high arc balls ripe for an INT. Roquan's pick. The defense playing lights out. I don't fault the defense for that last drive. One drive out of an entire game. Whatever. The offense needs to contribute too. Biscuit just willing that team downfield. I'll never forget that. We have our QB. That's our guy.

I'm still pissed. It's going to be with me for awhile.

Looking forward, I hope Fangio gets an HC job if he wants one. It's only fair to him. Assuming Bowles is going to TB I'm up for Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan, but whoever it is I want an established name. I'm excited as hell for next season and this season should only be the beginning of a 3 to 4 year run.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:22 am

malk wrote:
wab wrote:Looking back objectively, the OL was pretty average overall all season.
Surprisingly good in pass pro and surprisingly bad in run blocking I figure. Leno looked off on Sunday to my naked eye. Without draft picks I don't know how we turn it around quickly, unless Coward really pans out.
I think this is worth it's own thread honestly. Was it that the Bears were bad in run blocking, or was it that Nagy was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? It's possible that the Bears OL gave the impression of bad run blocking when they were forced to power block for Jordan Howard, or even Tarik Cohen for that matter. It seemed that the running game got better in the last four games, not because the blocking got better, but that Nagy moved to almost 80% zone run scheme. Yes?
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Re: Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ???

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:28 pm

BearFan85 wrote:Getting a finger skinning the football is not a block in my book sorry Parkey still missed it. High School, College and Pro's still try to get their kicker in the middle of the field which is the reason I asked. Seems not that important till its missed unfortunately.
The NFL can officially record it as a partial block if they like but that would belie some facts.

1) Parkey himself has admitted he was playing for a left to right cross wind so his line was intentionally to the left of center. I'm not certain being in the center of the field would have changed that. His aim was to the left anyway.

2) The end zone camera shot clearly shows Parkey's leg cutting across the parallel plane to the goal posts so he did also pull the kick to the left just as he has pushed other kicks right. His basic technique has been very inconsistent all season long and his kicks seldom split the uprights.

Now.....one more final footnote for the more forgiving souls among us that should be mentioned before leaving it be.

During Parkey's 2016 with Cleveland he made just 20 of 25 FG attempts (80%) but of even more interest is all five of his misses came on kicks between 40-49 yards and......three of them hit an upright.

So.....this is not as quirky as it may seem. Parkey obviously has an accuracy problem on kicks of 40 yards or greater and for some reason his kicks are somehow magically attracted to goal posts. That's 9 kicks in two seasons that failed due to hitting an upright.

That's not a coincidence it's the sign of a consistently inaccurate PK who really doesn't know where the ball is going when it leaves his foot. I'm not willing to excuse that and I'm hoping Pace and Nagy won't either.
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Re: Why Not Line up the Kick in the middle of the field ???

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:32 pm

Moving this to the Parkey thread.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:13 pm

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britbear wrote:I think you are selling them short and I cannot see the game being that low scoring. Sure, there is poetry in Bears v Eagles, Nagy v Pederson and all the rest. But I would have preferred the Vikes and Philly does scare me with Foles at the helm. All it takes is for our D to come out flat and we could be in trouble.

It's going to be a lot closer than any of us would like and after the game (which over here will end close to 1 am - please God, no overtime!) I'll somehow need to wind down to get some sleep before work in the morning. Might be a bit tricky...

I'm not making any predictions. I'm just hoping for a Bears win.
He's saying the Bears will score 7-14 points more than the Eagles, he didn't say what the score would be, or that it would be low scoring.
Correct. I thought the Bears would win by 7-14, not by a score of 14-7. Obviously I was wrong. I did sell the Eagles short a bit, but they still didn't exactly wow me. In the end we didn't play well enough to win.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:36 pm

Mikefive wrote:And for the record, what they said in the 2nd half about the Miller catch at the 6... if true... is utterly stupid. What they said was that in the case of a review, on a play where a ball was declared incomplete, but was really complete and a fumble that nobody recovered, then in that case since they can't tell who would've recovered, it just goes as incomplete.

First of all, to have a technicality like that seems pretty improbable to me. But assuming that fine print is in there, then what they're saying is that the goal of plays that go to review isn't necessarily to get the correct call. And in circumstances like this one, it's to call the play differently than it should've been called in the first place.

As I suggested in my earlier post about this, the correct call was a catch and a fumble which was blown dead before recovery by an inadvertant whistle. The correct ruling in that case is to give the ball back to the team that last possessed it at the point of the fumble.

To say that because of the review the play should have a different set of rules apply to it is a ridiculous travesty.
Absolutely on everything here. It's fucking dumb that the NFL had this technicality. It may well have cost us a TD and indirectly lost us the game.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:54 pm

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bearsfaninaz wrote:Apparently the kick was tipped, but idc parkey needs to go. Draft pick or UDFA
A decent fucking kicker would never put the ball in harms way from the 43 fucking yard line. That’s a chip shot for good kickers. High launch angle, away from the possibility of a block.


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I get the frustration with Parkey, but 43 yards isn't a chip shot IMO. Should he have made the kick? Yeah. But it wasn't a 20-yarder.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:31 pm

Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:15 pm

KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
When he got up he looked at the ref running over to ball blowing whistle and washing incomplete. I can't imagine anyone doing anything differently. Though now that it happened people will change. Sadly it effected our game.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:17 pm

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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:56 pm

KOP_Snake wrote: You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
Just be glad the ball was ripped out parallel to the LOS.

A fumble through and out of the back of the endzone would have been ruled a touchback for the Eagles... no clear recovery needed since there is a specific rule for offensive fumble through the endzone.


D'oh... turns out I was wrong on that. It would still have been ruled incomplete if the fumble went out of the endzone on a challenged play where the initial call was incomplete.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:12 pm

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KOP_Snake wrote:Miller should've picked up the damn ball. I don't get why anyone in the fucking league would just leave the ball on the ground. Total laziness. I'm still pissed about the fumble in '13.
...which wouldn't have mattered one bit because the whistle was already blown before he could turn around to get it.

The other day, I called in and talked to Kap about that play on the radio and right after my call ended he said the same thing. I was dying as he needed another dose of reality. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by ignoring the whistle. In fact as I wanted to say on the air, if both teams went by that logic, then there would've been a pile up of players diving on that ball and someone could've gotten hurt, concussed, whatever. Is that what you want?

Going after a ball on the ground when there's been no whistle is certainly desirable. But there must be a signal to stop in any contact sport and in football, it's the whistle. Nothing that happens after the whistle matters. That's the rule and the reality. It's simply a matter of safety, even if inadvertent whistles happen sometimes.
You realize that if an Eagle had picked up the ball, even AFTER the whistle, the Eagles get the ball, right? Same if Miller had picked it up. Bears get the ball at the spot Miller fumbled it. That's the whole reason they even reviewed it.
That's patently incorrect.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:57 pm

I looked up what I could on this. Here's what I found.

From the 2018 NFL Rulebook...
Rule 7. Dead Ball... Section 2. Article 1
m. when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately.
2. If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
The above shows that the rule is that the offensive team gets the ball where last possessed by Miller. And it says absolutely clearly that a whistle means it's a dead ball. Period.

Rule 15. Officials and Instant Replay, Section 2, Article 5.
If an on-field ruling of a dead ball (down by contact, out of bounds, or incomplete forward pass) is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering player at the spot of the recovery, and any advance is nullified.
This rule is unclear, since it doesn't address reversed incomplete with whistle during fumble.

This is a key element from a book called the "Instant Replay Casebook", which I couldn't find online...
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This justifies the ruling of incomplete. Note that this rule doesn't change rule 7.2.1.m above that says it's a dead ball based on the "incomplete" whistle, which then can't be recovered. But what this really does is demonstrate that the NFL is making a travesty of the game by having different rules for the same play, one rule if a circumstance is called correctly on the field and another if the play is called wrong initially and replayed.
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Re: NFC WILD CARD // Cody Parkey ends Bears season.

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 am

wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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wab wrote:wtf... when did this dude become some folk hero that needed to share his story.


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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
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Just posted this in another thread. FUCK this dude. If he makes some "Jesus wanted it that way" comment I'm going to lose my fucking shit.
It 100% will be all about how he's using his faith to overcome this moment.

I hope they cut him that morning and he can explain to the world how faith will help him persevere through why no NFL team will sign him next season.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 am

I'm not gonna knock a guy for his faith, but yeah...he can fuck off.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:36 am

I think I would be just asking for permission to practice at soldier field every extra minute in the offseason if the team intends to keep me and keep my mouth shut vs going on the interview tour.
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Parkey just arrived at the Today Show for his interview...


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