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RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:45 am

Word across the Twitter is that as soon as the Browns find out what Kareem Hunt's status is with the NFL, they will be shopping Duke Johnson. I've long said that aside from Hunt, there isn't a better fit at RB for the Bears in the entire NFL than Johnson.

I don't know what it would take to get him, but I'd happily give the Browns a 3rd round pick for him if I was Pace, then I'd try to flip Howard for a late 3rd/early 4th.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:17 pm

I want Howard as a Bear this season. With that said Duke may be the only back id be ok with moving on from Howard for. One of my all time fav Canes and as you said a perfect fit for this offense.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:49 pm

Just want to ask the question what makes Johnson a better fit ?
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:13 pm

ramentaschen wrote:Just want to ask the question what makes Johnson a better fit ?
Than Howard?

He averages almost 5 yards a carry, has the vision/speed/balance Nagy and Pace have specifically said they look for in a back and has caught 235 passes in 4 years. He has like 40 more career receptions in 4 years than Taylor Gabriel has in 5 years (and almost the same amount of receiving yards).

He's perfect for this offense. Literally perfect.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:44 pm

Having said all of that - I don't think the Bears in actuality would trade for him. He's too similar to Davis...Davis is sort of the Mountain Mist to Johnson's Mt. Dew.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:58 pm

wab wrote:Having said all of that - I don't think the Bears in actuality would trade for him. He's too similar to Davis...Davis is sort of the Mountain Mist to Johnson's Mt. Dew.
I was gonna say, he's getting around $5M a season as well. I think Howard is a goner, we draft someone and the rookie battles it out with Davis for the lions share of the carries.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:18 pm

wab wrote:Having said all of that - I don't think the Bears in actuality would trade for him. He's too similar to Davis...Davis is sort of the Mountain Mist to Johnson's Mt. Dew.


Mountain Mist to Mt Dew? WEll I guess you have to drink those to catch the comparison
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:38 pm

Otis Day wrote:
wab wrote:Having said all of that - I don't think the Bears in actuality would trade for him. He's too similar to Davis...Davis is sort of the Mountain Mist to Johnson's Mt. Dew.


Mountain Mist to Mt Dew? WEll I guess you have to drink those to catch the comparison

One is the off brand generic lol
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:49 am

I'd like for us to get the Duke in a huge way. But what would the Browns want in trade for him?
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:05 am

Meh. Browns wouldn't have drafted Chubb and signed Hunt if Johnson was "all that". 5 YPC isn't that impressive on 40 carries. Neither is 5 rushing TD's in 4 years. He was pretty average when he was given over 100 carries in his rookie year. Decent receiver out of the backfield, but not a feature back IMO.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:02 am

Atkins&Rebel wrote:Meh. Browns wouldn't have drafted Chubb and signed Hunt if Johnson was "all that". 5 YPC isn't that impressive on 40 carries. Neither is 5 rushing TD's in 4 years. He was pretty average when he was given over 100 carries in his rookie year. Decent receiver out of the backfield, but not a feature back IMO.
I'm sure the change in offensive strategy had nothing to do with acquiring a different style of running back.

But I guess maybe Jordan Howard isn't "all that".
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:31 am

Hunt is suspended 8 games so I doubt they move him.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:43 am

dplank wrote:Hunt is suspended 8 games so I doubt they move him.
Agreed.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:00 pm

wab wrote:
Atkins&Rebel wrote:Meh. Browns wouldn't have drafted Chubb and signed Hunt if Johnson was "all that". 5 YPC isn't that impressive on 40 carries. Neither is 5 rushing TD's in 4 years. He was pretty average when he was given over 100 carries in his rookie year. Decent receiver out of the backfield, but not a feature back IMO.
I'm sure the change in offensive strategy had nothing to do with acquiring a different style of running back.

But I guess maybe Jordan Howard isn't "all that".
Howard has production on his side, Johnson hasn't accomplished much.
Johnson 3456 total yards and 13 TD's over 4 years = 864 average total yards / 3.25 average td's
Howard 3938 total yards and 25 TD's over 3 years = 1312 average total yards / 8.3 average td's

While Chubb does fit your premise of needing a different style RB for a different system, Hunt and Johnson are similar backs. So why acquire Hunt when you just signed Johnson to an extension if Johnson's worth anything?
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:45 pm

Umbali wrote:
Otis Day wrote:
wab wrote:Having said all of that - I don't think the Bears in actuality would trade for him. He's too similar to Davis...Davis is sort of the Mountain Mist to Johnson's Mt. Dew.


Mountain Mist to Mt Dew? WEll I guess you have to drink those to catch the comparison

One is the off brand generic lol
And a ton more carbonation lol... One gives me the shits other gives me gas. You don't mix Mnt Dew with a Velveeta cheese based queso dip I cleared out a room of 50 people. Noone would come within 20 yards from me.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:52 pm

Knuckles wrote:
Umbali wrote:
Otis Day wrote:
wab wrote:Having said all of that - I don't think the Bears in actuality would trade for him. He's too similar to Davis...Davis is sort of the Mountain Mist to Johnson's Mt. Dew.


Mountain Mist to Mt Dew? WEll I guess you have to drink those to catch the comparison

One is the off brand generic lol
And a ton more carbonation lol... One gives me the shits other gives me gas. You don't mix Mnt Dew with a Velveeta cheese based queso dip I cleared out a room of 50 people. Noone would come within 20 yards from me.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:18 pm

It looks like Johnson wants out of Cleveland...

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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:09 pm

Current Contract

Duke Johnson signed a 3 year, $15,610,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $7,757,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,203,333. In 2019, Johnson will earn a base salary of $1,800,000, a roster bonus of $400,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $3,050,000 and a dead cap value of $4,050,000.

Close to 28 at of contract
2019 Contract details by year 25 $1,800,000 $750,000 $400,000 $100,000 $3,050,000 $4,050,000 $2,300,000($8,267,000)
2020 Contract details by year 26 $3,600,000 $750,000 $400,000 $100,000 $4,850,000 $1,500,000 $4,100,000($12,367,000)
2021 Contract details by year 27 $4,650,000 $750,000 $400,000 $100,000 $5,900,000 $750,000 $5,150,000($17,517,000)
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:17 pm

ALSO..

Eagles Reportedly Interested In Browns RB Duke Johnson
April 1, 2019 at 9:00 pm

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Even after acquiring running back Jordan Howard from the Bears last week, the Eagles may not be finished retooling the position just yet. According to Cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot, the Eagles have shown interest in Browns RB Duke Johnson.

Cabot reports Johnson’s camp has requested a trade after an offseason full or rumors. The 25-year-old was a no-show at the Browns’ voluntary off season program Monday.

Johnson is a dynamic pass-catcher and a dual-threat in the mold of Darren Sproles. With Sproles contemplating retirement, the Eagles appear to be in need of a passing-down back.

Right now, the Eagles backfield consists of Howard, Josh Adams, Corey Clement and Wendell Smallwood. Johnson is a bit on the small side at 5-foot-9 and 210 pounds, but his numbers speak for itself.

Eagles Acquire RB Jordan Howard In Trade With Bears

In his four NFL seasons, Johnson averages 4.3 yards per carry and has scored five total rushing touchdowns. In the passing game, Johnson has averaged 9.2 yards per catch and eight total receiving touchdowns.
Johnson put up his best numbers in 2017 with seven combined touchdowns and 1,041 total yards. The Browns then rewarded him with a three-year, $15 million deal.

With second-year running back Nick Chubb coming on strong at the end of last season and now the addition of Kareem Hunt, the Browns could be looking to move Johnson’s contract.

Cabot also mentions the Jets and Texans as interested teams.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:17 am

I'd love for him to be a part of the Bears. But with Cohen and Davis on board, I think the Bears turn to the draft. Now...if they can get him for the pick that they got for Howard, I'd be all for it.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:20 am

doubt they are looking to spend that kind of money at that position right now...
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:47 am

wab wrote:I'd love for him to be a part of the Bears. But with Cohen and Davis on board, I think the Bears turn to the draft. Now...if they can get him for the pick that they got for Howard, I'd be all for it.
Agreed, this dude would be good in this offense. If I were Pace, I would see what it would take and if it’s anything reasonable 5/6th rounder, I would pull the trigger. This kid can simply create yards and runs to green.

Mike Davis cap hit is only 2M this season and the bears have an out next season and would only have a 1 million dead cap charge. Johnson cap hits are 1.8M, $3.6M, $4.65M. I’m not sure the bears are sold on any back in this draft. I would feel much more confident going into this season with Johnson/Cohen/Davis instead of Davis/Cohen/rookie.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:03 pm

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wab wrote:I'd love for him to be a part of the Bears. But with Cohen and Davis on board, I think the Bears turn to the draft. Now...if they can get him for the pick that they got for Howard, I'd be all for it.
Agreed, this dude would be good in this offense. If I were Pace, I would see what it would take and if it’s anything reasonable 5/6th rounder, I would pull the trigger. This kid can simply create yards and runs to green.

Mike Davis cap hit is only 2M this season and the bears have an out next season and would only have a 1 million dead cap charge. Johnson cap hits are 1.8M, $3.6M, $4.65M. I’m not sure the bears are sold on any back in this draft. I would feel much more confident going into this season with Johnson/Cohen/Davis instead of Davis/Cohen/rookie.
I think the only thing standing in the way of Johnson is Davis. I was dead wrong when I assumed he was a replacement for Cunningham/Mizzell. I think they want to feature the guy. Having said that, I like Johnson a whole hell of a lot better in this offense than almost any RB in the NFL right now (as I've been saying for months).
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:08 pm

wab wrote:
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wab wrote:I'd love for him to be a part of the Bears. But with Cohen and Davis on board, I think the Bears turn to the draft. Now...if they can get him for the pick that they got for Howard, I'd be all for it.
Agreed, this dude would be good in this offense. If I were Pace, I would see what it would take and if it’s anything reasonable 5/6th rounder, I would pull the trigger. This kid can simply create yards and runs to green.

Mike Davis cap hit is only 2M this season and the bears have an out next season and would only have a 1 million dead cap charge. Johnson cap hits are 1.8M, $3.6M, $4.65M. I’m not sure the bears are sold on any back in this draft. I would feel much more confident going into this season with Johnson/Cohen/Davis instead of Davis/Cohen/rookie.
I think the only thing standing in the way of Johnson is Davis. I was dead wrong when I assumed he was a replacement for Cunningham/Mizzell. I think they want to feature the guy. Having said that, I like Johnson a whole hell of a lot better in this offense than almost any RB in the NFL right now (as I've been saying for months).

Also agree on Davis is probably standing in the way. Pace has been known for his patience maybe he jumped the gun on this one? Or possibly I’m wrong and the bears have a back they’re dead set on in the draft and willing to move up to get him and Davis is just insurance? I know I’ve said it before but I’m not sold with Davis as RB1. Johnson seems to be the more prototypical Nagy back. I watched a little film on Johnson, from what I’m seeing he looks like he can create yards after contact, can make people miss, is a very good receiving back, is very good at creating yards after the catch(something I feel is lacking in this offense). However, I can’t find anything with him blocking, this is one aspect I feel was under appreciated in Howard. IMO, a dynamic all purpose back would make all the difference in the world in a Nagy offense.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:22 pm

Howard is an elite pass blocking RB. That will be hard to replace.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:46 pm

If Jordan Howard was worth a R5 or R6 pick in 2020, what's Duke Johnson worth?
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RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:05 pm

Mikefive wrote:If Jordan Howard was worth a R5 or R6 pick in 2020, what's Duke Johnson worth?
I’d say less. He makes more and I wouldn’t argue he’s been more productive. Just different.
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Re: RB Possibility - Duke Johnson

Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:35 pm

I like the idea of Duke but he's getting more $$$ than I think we want to commit to the position right meow.
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