He’s pretty athletic and has like 34in arms. But yeah, he doesn’t really fit the “build” profile that they always talk about.Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:06 pm Flus and Poles are so full of crap. Here's what they said at the beginning of the month as to what they look for in defensive linemen:
And then they sign this guy: 6'1, 311 pounds. Basically, a bowling ball in pads. Not that I'm against the signing. In fact, I quite like it. For sure, he'll help at least around the goal line. Hell, maybe he can even stop the Hurts scrum. Knock them all down like bowling pins. lol But good God, how much further away can he be from their self-proclaimed attributes they're looking for?Bears general manager Ryan Poles and head coach Matt Eberflus met with the media at the NFL Scouting Combine, where they discussed exactly what they’re looking for in a defensive lineman.
“Violence. Tenacity. Length,” said Poles.
“Big, long and fast,” said Eberflus.
Bears sign DT Andrew Billings
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Sounds like Mike Pennel Part Deux.
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Thank fucking God. Maybe last year was a fluke or maybe he figured it out. Either way I bet he’s better than Pennell
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What you want in a draft pick and what you know you are getting in an established nfl vet can be two different things.Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:06 pm Flus and Poles are so full of crap. Here's what they said at the beginning of the month as to what they look for in defensive linemen:
And then they sign this guy: 6'1, 311 pounds. Basically, a bowling ball in pads. Not that I'm against the signing. In fact, I quite like it. For sure, he'll help at least around the goal line. Hell, maybe he can even stop the Hurts scrum. Knock them all down like bowling pins. lol But good God, how much further away can he be from their self-proclaimed attributes they're looking for?Bears general manager Ryan Poles and head coach Matt Eberflus met with the media at the NFL Scouting Combine, where they discussed exactly what they’re looking for in a defensive lineman.
“Violence. Tenacity. Length,” said Poles.
“Big, long and fast,” said Eberflus.
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That would be my guess as wellcrueltyabc wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:01 pm Thank fucking God. Maybe last year was a fluke or maybe he figured it out. Either way I bet he’s better than Pennell
Anti-Poles folks Im surprised they even think he'll be as good as Pennell - huge growth!
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Billings and Pennell are two very different players.
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He has 33 inch arms. Arm length is more significant than height for defensive linemen and usually what they’re primarily referring to.Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:06 pm Flus and Poles are so full of crap. Here's what they said at the beginning of the month as to what they look for in defensive linemen:
And then they sign this guy: 6'1, 311 pounds. Basically, a bowling ball in pads. Not that I'm against the signing. In fact, I quite like it. For sure, he'll help at least around the goal line. Hell, maybe he can even stop the Hurts scrum. Knock them all down like bowling pins. lol But good God, how much further away can he be from their self-proclaimed attributes they're looking for?Bears general manager Ryan Poles and head coach Matt Eberflus met with the media at the NFL Scouting Combine, where they discussed exactly what they’re looking for in a defensive lineman.
“Violence. Tenacity. Length,” said Poles.
“Big, long and fast,” said Eberflus.
Aaron Donald is also 6’1 for reference. Think they wouldn’t sign him if he were available?
If they draft Kancey and his 30 inch arms, you can kill them. But a 6’1 1T with 33 inch arms is not the guy to do it on.
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Solid postTheWorldBreaker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:03 pmHe has 33 inch arms. Arm length is more significant than height for defensive linemen and usually what they’re primarily referring to.Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:06 pm Flus and Poles are so full of crap. Here's what they said at the beginning of the month as to what they look for in defensive linemen:
And then they sign this guy: 6'1, 311 pounds. Basically, a bowling ball in pads. Not that I'm against the signing. In fact, I quite like it. For sure, he'll help at least around the goal line. Hell, maybe he can even stop the Hurts scrum. Knock them all down like bowling pins. lol But good God, how much further away can he be from their self-proclaimed attributes they're looking for?
Aaron Donald is also 6’1 for reference. Think they wouldn’t sign him if he were available?
If they draft Kancey and his 30 inch arms, you can kill them. But a 6’1 1T with 33 inch arms is not the guy to do it on.
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Billings was PFF's 16th ranked interior DLineman last years. Our ex-guy Tonga was like 13th.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
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Tonga mistake cuts a little extra deep because both franchises did a Tonga - Watts effective swap. And a division rival.IE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm Billings was PFF's 16th ranked interior DLineman last years. Our ex-guy Tonga was like 13th.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
Heck add Smith-Marsette and Shelley (despite diff position). Though Marsette was a key tank captain that one game
Oh well. Not dwelling on it.
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Smith-Marsette enabled DJ Moore to be a Bear!The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:13 pmTonga mistake cuts a little extra deep because both franchises did a Tonga - Watts effective swap. And a division rival.IE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm Billings was PFF's 16th ranked interior DLineman last years. Our ex-guy Tonga was like 13th.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
Heck add Smith-Marsette and Shelley (despite diff position). Though Marsette was a key tank captain that one game
Oh well. Not dwelling on it.
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Maybe we should go back through all the game balls and horns threads and vote for a tank captain from each game. We could end up with an MVT - Most Valuable to Tanking.The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:13 pmTonga mistake cuts a little extra deep because both franchises did a Tonga - Watts effective swap. And a division rival.IE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm Billings was PFF's 16th ranked interior DLineman last years. Our ex-guy Tonga was like 13th.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
Heck add Smith-Marsette and Shelley (despite diff position). Though Marsette was a key tank captain that one game
Oh well. Not dwelling on it.
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Oh geeze so many strong contenders. Smith-Marsette, St Brown, and Santos all immediately come to mind for specific high leverage failures. Mustipher has to get some overall award though. And the refs in the Fins game.Arkansasbear wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:44 pmMaybe we should go back through all the game balls and horns threads and vote for a tank captain from each game. We could end up with an MVT - Most Valuable to Tanking.The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:13 pm
Tonga mistake cuts a little extra deep because both franchises did a Tonga - Watts effective swap. And a division rival.
Heck add Smith-Marsette and Shelley (despite diff position). Though Marsette was a key tank captain that one game
Oh well. Not dwelling on it.
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Smith-Marsette tanked so Fields and Co. could flywulfy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:07 pmSmith-Marsette enabled DJ Moore to be a Bear!The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:13 pm
Tonga mistake cuts a little extra deep because both franchises did a Tonga - Watts effective swap. And a division rival.
Heck add Smith-Marsette and Shelley (despite diff position). Though Marsette was a key tank captain that one game
Oh well. Not dwelling on it.
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Tonga is taller but has shorter arms and smaller hands, so he fits their length profile.IE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm Billings was PFF's 16th ranked interior DLineman last years. Our ex-guy Tonga was like 13th.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
He’s also a power lifter that hit 2K in the Big 3 at 18 and looks more powerful on tape. I could have my Bears colored glasses on and viewing all the new Bears players in the best light but I don’t think so on this.
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I highly doubt that.
I also think that guy isn't on the team yet...
Have to disagree with you. He's actually a pretty good player. Pennell, on the other hand...
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Walker played outside and inside and had the most success inside, so I think they’ll rotate him in at 3T.
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You're probably right, based on Poles' comments. But, if he ends up being a starter, he won't be the starting 3T.TheWorldBreaker wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:59 pm Walker played outside and inside and had the most success inside, so I think they’ll rotate him in at 3T.
As I said earlier, I don't think that guy is on the team yet.
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I thought Tonga was a mistake too - it happensIE wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm Billings was PFF's 16th ranked interior DLineman last years. Our ex-guy Tonga was like 13th.
That was one of Poles' decisions I didn't really like - but accepted given the new regime's stated desire for certain types of players. Is Billings really that different than Tonga? Both are more run stuffers than pass rushers. Regardless, Tonga rates a bit higher in both.
I think this is sort of admitting the Tonga mistake. Nobody's perfect.
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Could be - have to compare me to Larry Borom then!The Cooler King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:19 pmYou're being kind of dramatic about this shtick I think Rich.
I - for the record - have been a fan of this offseason
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I was big Tonga fan. He did everything they asked him to do last year (dropped weight, learned a new defense, gave it his all= HITS) and they cut him. I was flabbergasted. I thought he was going to be the next Israel Idonije and change his body every year to fit the Bears needs and be a solid Bea for years. If Billings can be that type of guy, count me in. Hope he gives his all, is a great teammate and a leader in the locker-room. What more could you ask fort?
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