Wouldn’t Krause and Poles be quite the pair?
Poles could acquire the picks and Krause could figure out which blacktop league center from south central Lithuania he could draft.
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Grizzled wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:41 pm Guys who at age 25 had over 5000 receiving yards:
Randy Moss 6743 (Daunte Culpepper)
Mike Evans. 6103 (Jameis Winston)
Larry Fitzgerald 5975 (Kurt Warner)
DeAndre Hopkins. 5865 (Garbage to begin, then DeShaun Watson)
D. J. Moore. 5201 (A flaming bag of dog poop)
Brandin Cooks. 5145 (Drew Brees & Tom Brady)
Amari Cooper. 5097 (Derek Carr & Dak Prescott)
“It was two things,” Poles says. “Coming out, I just remember how strong he played. He’s an impact player, a receiver that could play inside, outside separating routes. But then he has a level of strength to him that I really admired. On top of that, the person was outstanding. He’s great for the locker room. He’s a worker, grinder, not a lot of noise or distraction, just … he’s a dude. That part was important to me.
If the drawing was to scale, no one's Jackie Treehorn
This is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.Grizzled wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:23 am D.J. started out more of a slot guy but Carolina began using him deeper over the years. I figure Getsy will put him in the X and Mooney or a draft pick will be put in the slot:
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/chicago ... tin-fields
It should be noted that he was also used out of the backfield for upwards of 10 runs per year. Could this signal the end of VJJ or will they find a role for him?
VJJ initially had the yips pretty bad and then also the one bad Christian Watson moment where he dropped a perfect dime far downfield. But over the last quarter of the season he showed how electric he can be, and seems good for one or two really big plays per game - either KR, handoff, and yes he proved he can be a deep target. That is huge to have a role player who can do THAT.UOK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 amThis is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.Grizzled wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:23 am D.J. started out more of a slot guy but Carolina began using him deeper over the years. I figure Getsy will put him in the X and Mooney or a draft pick will be put in the slot:
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/chicago ... tin-fields
It should be noted that he was also used out of the backfield for upwards of 10 runs per year. Could this signal the end of VJJ or will they find a role for him?
Yep.UOK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 amThis is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.Grizzled wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:23 am D.J. started out more of a slot guy but Carolina began using him deeper over the years. I figure Getsy will put him in the X and Mooney or a draft pick will be put in the slot:
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/chicago ... tin-fields
It should be noted that he was also used out of the backfield for upwards of 10 runs per year. Could this signal the end of VJJ or will they find a role for him?
I agree with that.
Velus is a 4.3 friggin' rocket. And not just track speed - he plays his track speed in pads like few do. And not just straight-line - he's got good vision, is twitchy-quick and can cut back really well. He can run it like an RB and he's got decent hands, and proved he can catch it down field. He can leave Mooney in the dust down field, and is bigger, stronger & more elusive. He's not just a KR - he's a real threat & if the other team kicks it short of the end zone you have to return it.The Marshall Plan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:55 pmYep.UOK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 am
This is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.
After the Moore trade there is less need for Velus than ever.
It’s going to be Moore, Mooney and Claypool out there. #4 WRs are a dime a dozen. Then for 2024 they’ll keep either Mooney or Claypool but most likely not both. That open third WR spot is your slot WR. Different type of player where you can either sign or draft one easily. The slot needs to be a guy with glue hands. Velus obviously doesn’t have that.
Then punt / kick returners are a dime a dozen especially after they changed the rules of the game.
I think it's fair to call him a 4th WR right now as that's the role he will start with. He could explode this year and make the team decide they shouldn't bring back Mooney and/or Claypool (I think at least one will be back unless they both completely fall on their face). But if Mooney, Claypool and Moore do what I think they are capable of, he might not be able to get on the field for more that 10-15 snaps on offense. But with his skill set that could still be a huge bonus for the team.IE wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:13 pmVelus is a 4.3 friggin' rocket. And not just track speed - he plays his track speed in pads like few do. And not just straight-line - he's got good vision, is twitchy-quick and can cut back really well. He can run it like an RB and he's got decent hands, and proved he can catch it down field. He can leave Mooney in the dust down field, and is bigger, stronger & more elusive. He's not just a KR - he's a real threat & if the other team kicks it short of the end zone you have to return it.The Marshall Plan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:55 pm
Yep.
After the Moore trade there is less need for Velus than ever.
It’s going to be Moore, Mooney and Claypool out there. #4 WRs are a dime a dozen. Then for 2024 they’ll keep either Mooney or Claypool but most likely not both. That open third WR spot is your slot WR. Different type of player where you can either sign or draft one easily. The slot needs to be a guy with glue hands. Velus obviously doesn’t have that.
Then punt / kick returners are a dime a dozen especially after they changed the rules of the game.
Calling him a "4th receiver" doesn't really reflect his promise. Like Ark says he is a little bit lotto ticket. But if what he showed later last season is an indication he'll be valuable.
It shouldn't reflect his promise.
dplank wrote:I agree with Rich here
RichH55 wrote: Dplank is correct
It's funny because from that I can't tell if you're talking about his early season jitters and mistakes, or his later season explosive plays. They were both real.
It's one of the reasons why I'm skeptical of WRs from Tennessee - they are incredibly talented, but don't seem well coached to me. Their route trees in particular seem to not well developed. I look at Jalin Hyatt very similarly.UOK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 amThis is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.Grizzled wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:23 am D.J. started out more of a slot guy but Carolina began using him deeper over the years. I figure Getsy will put him in the X and Mooney or a draft pick will be put in the slot:
https://beargoggleson.com/posts/chicago ... tin-fields
It should be noted that he was also used out of the backfield for upwards of 10 runs per year. Could this signal the end of VJJ or will they find a role for him?
Plus they want to get PAID to play! "Volunteers" my ass.wulfy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 amIt's one of the reasons why I'm skeptical of WRs from Tennessee - they are incredibly talented, but don't seem well coached to me. Their route trees in particular seem to not well developed. I look at Jalin Hyatt very similarly.UOK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 am
This is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.
I would like to see Jones contribute as more than just a gadget/ST player - especially with his speed. Coaches also need to know not to automatically run a Jet Sweep with him when he gets on the field.
Without a doubt he needs to step it up, as to the coaches as to the plays they call when he's on the field. Like IE I saw him a better contributor at the end of the season compared to the first. So that gives me hope that his floor is a 4th WR who excels in the return game and gives an explosive play per game on average. But his speed gives him a ceiling that could be much higher. It's a huge year for him but he's clearly behind Mooney, Claypool and Moore. So it may be hard for him to show he's more than the 4th WR I described. But if he can do that, I think '24 could be the year they try to ramp up what he is for the team when one of Mooney or Claypool is allowed to walk.wulfy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 amIt's one of the reasons why I'm skeptical of WRs from Tennessee - they are incredibly talented, but don't seem well coached to me. Their route trees in particular seem to not well developed. I look at Jalin Hyatt very similarly.UOK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:29 am
This is the last year VJJ will get to prove himself for the Bears, especially if they draft a WR in the first three rounds of the draft. All Jones has shown is that he can occasionally make a great play on kickoff or punt returns, with very little to his credit last year as a receiver. He's got a major challenge ahead of him.
I would like to see Jones contribute as more than just a gadget/ST player - especially with his speed. Coaches also need to know not to automatically run a Jet Sweep with him when he gets on the field.