Jeffrey Simmons

duckherd50 · Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:15 pm

Supposedly unhappy with Tennessee. What kind of offer would Chicago have to give up to get this young dominant DT?

RichH55 · Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:10 pm

duckherd50 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:15 pm Supposedly unhappy with Tennessee. What kind of offer would Chicago have to give up to get this young dominant DT?

I think he'd cost a 1st in some way shape or form

EricTighe · Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:17 pm

It would also depend if a QB drops to us at 9 that they love

We can hope.

The Marshall Plan · Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:09 am

Do you write articles for anyone?

Ditka’s dictaphone · Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:37 am

I’d take Simmons and #11 for #9

Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:41 am

Simmons was part of the original trade talks with the top pick, I thought. I don't know how that trade would come together, though. The Simmons+#11 for #9 reads great for us, but the value feels slightly off. There'd have to be some kind of fernagling of future day 2 or 3 draft capital necessary, methinks.

Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:57 am

Walker as the 3T next to Simmons would be bananas. But I think that ship has sailed with the Bears brining in Billings (who I don’t especially care for).

Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:05 am

wab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:57 am Walker as the 3T next to Simmons would be bananas. But I think that ship has sailed with the Bears brining in Billings (who I don’t especially care for).

What makes you feel that way about Billings? I know next to nothing about him.

Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:12 am

UOK wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:05 am
wab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:57 am Walker as the 3T next to Simmons would be bananas. But I think that ship has sailed with the Bears brining in Billings (who I don’t especially care for).
What makes you feel that way about Billings? I know next to nothing about him.

He’s fine enough I guess. I just think that if you are going to be a DT under 6’3 you need to be pretty special.

o-pus #40 in B major · Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:20 am

wab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:57 am Walker as the 3T next to Simmons would be bananas. But I think that ship has sailed with the Bears brining in Billings (who I don’t especially care for).

They do have a lot of beef going through Billings and you're right there are several good smokehouses there. I think the Treager guy got his start there and somebody said something about Jenkins going there for a smokathon when he was in collage.

Sadly, my third wife brought home some cows from Billings one fine Montana afternoon and that was the day our love said goodbye. Oh my Lordy that woman could cook red meat like an angel.

crueltyabc · Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:53 am

Expectations should be pretty low for Billings IMO considering he's getting paid less than $3m

The Cooler King · Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:46 am

crueltyabc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:53 am Expectations should be pretty low for Billings IMO considering he's getting paid less than $3m

He's was a huge upgrade from what was there.

Needs a backup, because he's not a 70% snap guy historically.

Go sign two edges and bump Walker to 3T and Jones to NT in passing downs. Or sign a DE and NT. Then add hopefully at least one more DL body within first 4 picks. Then I feel like they'd have a chance at an average DL at least. It's gotta be bottom 3 today.

Clowney and Ngakoue
Clowney and Ford/Robinson

Something like that.

dplank · Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:15 pm

crueltyabc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:53 am Expectations should be pretty low for Billings IMO considering he's getting paid less than $3m

Yep. This was exactly what I was saying with Patrick last year and his performance didn't even meet those meager expectations (when he actually played). Billings appears to be a JAG to me, I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Walker has a little juice at least, I have higher expectations of him.

RichH55 · Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:05 pm

crueltyabc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:53 am Expectations should be pretty low for Billings IMO considering he's getting paid less than $3m

He's a run stopping DT - that usually isn't the highest paid position in the world.

Middleguard · Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:30 pm

2gap NTs tend to be rounder than 1Ts. Billings is rounder than anyone on last year's D. Is it possible that the Bears might use Billings to cover 2 gaps in order to free Mike from any gap responsibility?

crueltyabc · Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:10 pm

I bet they don't have a fully formed strategy yet. It's going to depend on who is in the room when camp comes around.

crueltyabc · Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:15 pm

dplank wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:15 pm
crueltyabc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:53 am Expectations should be pretty low for Billings IMO considering he's getting paid less than $3m
Yep. This was exactly what I was saying with Patrick last year and his performance didn't even meet those meager expectations (when he actually played). Billings appears to be a JAG to me, I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Walker has a little juice at least, I have higher expectations of him.

I feel like Packers fans were very dismissive of Patrick while Raiders fans were pretty favorable on Billings. Here's a snippet of like half the posters saying they want to keep him

G08 · Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:31 pm

wab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:12 am
UOK wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:05 am

What makes you feel that way about Billings? I know next to nothing about him.
He’s fine enough I guess. I just think that if you are going to be a DT under 6’3 you need to be pretty special.

I remember thinking he was a bowling ball when he was coming out of college.

He's basically Anthony "Spice" Adams.

dplank · Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:27 am

crueltyabc wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:15 pm
dplank wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:15 pm

Yep. This was exactly what I was saying with Patrick last year and his performance didn't even meet those meager expectations (when he actually played). Billings appears to be a JAG to me, I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Walker has a little juice at least, I have higher expectations of him.
I feel like Packers fans were very dismissive of Patrick while Raiders fans were pretty favorable on Billings. Here's a snippet of like half the posters saying they want to keep him

Encouraging!!

Middleguard · Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:27 am

They want to keep Jesper Horsted, Alex Bars, and Hroniss Grasu as well.

Grizzled · Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:35 am

6'4, 305 pounds. 4 years in the league. 54 games started, 15 in '22 and 17 in '21. 3 fumble recoveries, 189 tackles, 109 solo tackles, 28 tackles for loss, 46 QB hits, 21 sacks (8.5 in '21 and 7.5 in '22). 2nd team AP All-Pro bowler in '21 and '22. Nominally I'd say he's worth a first but I'm tired of the Bears doing this, they have to build in the draft. If they could steal him for less than a 1st, I'd say look at it.

Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:24 am

Grizzled wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:35 am 6'4, 305 pounds. 4 years in the league. 54 games started, 15 in '22 and 17 in '21. 3 fumble recoveries, 189 tackles, 109 solo tackles, 28 tackles for loss, 46 QB hits, 21 sacks (8.5 in '21 and 7.5 in '22). 2nd team AP All-Pro bowler in '21 and '22. Nominally I'd say he's worth a first but I'm tired of the Bears doing this, they have to build in the draft. If they could steal him for less than a 1st, I'd say look at it.

If the Bears trade down with say...Washington...and get another 2nd, I would happily flip that to Tennessee for Simmons.

Grizzled · Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:30 am

wab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:24 am
Grizzled wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:35 am 6'4, 305 pounds. 4 years in the league. 54 games started, 15 in '22 and 17 in '21. 3 fumble recoveries, 189 tackles, 109 solo tackles, 28 tackles for loss, 46 QB hits, 21 sacks (8.5 in '21 and 7.5 in '22). 2nd team AP All-Pro bowler in '21 and '22. Nominally I'd say he's worth a first but I'm tired of the Bears doing this, they have to build in the draft. If they could steal him for less than a 1st, I'd say look at it.
If the Bears trade down with say...Washington...and get another 2nd, I would happily flip that to Tennessee for Simmons.

The 2nd? In a heartbeat. Maybe the 1st, he is a top notch talent, a sure thing as opposed to a draft pick. Still on a rookie contract (which means he'll want to be paid next year).