Now you're sounding a bit like Fields' agent.
he was terrible week 1 - he put up some stats late in the 4th quarter when the Bears were down 38-14. His pick six in that game was awful. He was actually a BIT better in week 2, but still bad. he was horrendous in KC. Was the team "gelling" - I suppose, but Fields, in year 2 in this offense, by any objective measure should have been better. He played well against Denver and Washington and, for the time he was in the game against Minnesota, he wasn't "trending bad" - he was bad. He struggled handling the blitz. He was good in Detroit. Let's see him keep it up.
The Trevor Lawrence comparison is interesting. Lawrence ISN'T proven. However, in his second season, he threw for over 4100 yards and 25 TDs against 8 INTs. Justin Fields has yet to throw for 2500 yards in a season. Lawrence isn't as good to date this season, that's true - but he's produced as a passer in the NFL. Justin really hasn't (yet).
For "shits and giggles", Bob McGinn - Milwaukee's answer to Brad Biggs - had this quote from a scout on Justin Fields:
https://www.golongtd.com/p/bob-mcginns- ... er,(W.Va.)
“I like Tyson Bagent better than Fields,” one scout said. “He came in and was totally in charge. That rookie has some shit to him.”
Is he right? I don't think so - but there doesn't seem to be a consensus re: Fields being "the guy." More to the point, Brad Biggs had this quote from a scout after the Green Bay game:
“I’m just not sold on (Fields),” an NFC scout told the Chicago Tribune’s Brad Biggs after the Week 1 loss. “He doesn’t see the field. Holds the ball. Indecisive. Hard to win consistently with a run-first guy. But he’s a very talented runner.”
Fields HAS shown he can play better than he did against the Packers, Bucs, Chiefs and Vikings. Now he needs to show he can do it week in and week out - and has another crack at Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit. He has a GOLDEN opportunity Monday night. I hope he takes full advantage .
dplank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:35 am
artbest01 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:38 am
The focus on the final 6 games for Justin speaks to his inconsistency. he's played 3 good games and 4 (including the Viking game in Chicago) bad games. We saw what he CAN be against Detroit - let's see how he responds to Brian Flores' defense the second time around - the first time wasn't good. Is Fields a "good fucking player?" I think so - is he a good NFL passer? Remains to be seen. The "NFL circle" that says, Shady McCoy notwithstanding, the Bears are bad for Fields are the talking heads - not opposing coaches, GM's or scouts. I don't think any narratives on Justin - in any direction - are close to "dying." We also have no idea what Ryan Poles thinks and, if they move on from Eberflus, what a new coach will think. We also don't know where the Bears will actually be drafting.
Ideally, Fields ascends, they're in position to take MHJ and they move down in the 1st round with their second #1 to recoup the 2nd rounder traded for Montez Sweat.
You're still choosing to take an unnecessarily negative view, and your not even being accurate in your assessment of what he's done. He has had 3 good, 2 bad, one middling game (the GB game wasn't bad nor was it good), and one incomplete (that was trending bad but just a half). Saying he had 4 bad game is false. Then of course context matters, in the two bad games, TB and KC, came early in the year when team was gelling new players and our OL was missing 3/5 of it's starters - Fields was bum rushed nearly every snap, it was brutal. Since the line has stabilized, Fields has been CONSISTENTLY GOOD. That's the trend, and it's been the trend for a while now. Last year, he finished the season with something like 8 of his last 9 games being really good - NO ONE DISPUTED THAT week by week as DD kept a weekly score. No one disputed it, but negative people conveniently forget that and instead have a negative mindset regarding his play last year for some odd reason. His peers saw it differently, they voted him in as #86 best player in the league. Bears fan haters, meh. Must just be the stats right? Well....
On the whole this year, Justin Fields ranks 13th in passer rating, just BARELY behind none other than Patrick Mahomes (12th) and just AHEAD of Trevor Lawrence (14th). Oh, well Lawrence has been way better than Fields overall in his career, right? Nope. Fields CAREER pass rating is just behind Lawrence, pretty darn close to one another. They have been remarkably similar since entering the league. This year Fields has a TD/INT of 12/6, to Lawrence's 11/6 - in 3.5 fewer games! This is passing, not running, for those who insist the game is played a "certain way". Why do I keep bringing up Trevor Lawrence? Because there isn't a narrative about needing to see HIS last 6 games. Probably because the national media crowned his ass before he was even drafted, and blatantly slandered Fields character as a "last in, first out" type player when that's been proven to be absolute utter nonsense.
Fact: If you believe Fields still needs to prove himself, and don't believe that Lawrence still needs to prove himself also, then you have an agenda or are simply misinformed about how these two players are actually performing relative to one another. The only thing someone can point to is W/L, which is not a QB stat as we all know, and we've shown ad nauseum what other QB's W/L record would look like if the defense gave up PPG like the Bears have during Justin's time here.