Saints should be fined record amount

Boris13c · Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:06 pm

I'm sure everyone saw the Saints final TD against the Falcons ... I didn't have a problem with the add on salt-in-the-wound score ... these teams are rivals after all ... what I had a problem with was the Saints did it from Victory Formation, which is why I think the NFL has to come down hard and hit them with the largest fine they can come up with

Victory Formation signals to both teams to chill and let the clock go ... to actually run a play from that formation violates why the formation is there - player safety

I know the NFL sometimes talks out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to player safety, but this should betaken very seriously ... some defender simply relaxing and going through the final game motions could be seriously hurt if that unprepared player suddenly gets blasted or run over ... the NFL simply cannot give the Saints a pass on this

if the Saints had lined up in a standard formation to run up the score, that is a different argument ... a regular play means everyone is prepared for a play to be run ... to run an actual play (scoring or otherwise) from Victory Formation sends the absolute wrong message and should be punished severely IMO

Otis Day · Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:10 pm

Not understanding why they wanted to get Williams the TD. And why would said player go along with that realizing it is cheap as hell. Incentive clause?

alexwilkins · Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:19 pm

If they didn’t break an ACTUAL rule, no way should they be fined. Not a penny. Whole thing was blown way out of proportion IMO.

Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:23 pm

It wasn’t against the rules so why should they be fined? Wasn’t the greatest sportsmanship…but it wasn’t illegal.

I could see them making a rule that the offense can’t run an actual play out of that formation to prevent an injury to a defender who is expecting a kneel down but as it stands they didn’t do anything wrong.

crueltyabc · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:21 am

The Saints oline knew what they were doing and didn't fire off to hurt anybody. The coach told them No. The players admitted in interviews after that they decided on the field and we want all the smoke.

It's amazing (and terrible for Saints fans) that Dennis Allen had an admitted mutiny on the last play and he's not fired. After underachieving this year. Ridiculous

Also, the Falcons-Saints is a hated rivalry. If the Bears/Packers did this we would have feelings but not be SHOCKED.

Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:00 pm

Yeah, Allen very clearly told Arthur Smith after the game "I had nothing to do with that...I had no knowledge of it".

Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:03 pm

wab wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:00 pm Yeah, Allen very clearly told Arthur Smith after the game "I had nothing to do with that...I had no knowledge of it".

Super weird situation. The players all came to the defense of Jameis, and that they

1. had the balls to do it at all

2. aren't issuing punishments for it

is a testament to how little Allen is respected in their building.

Boris13c · Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:37 pm

wab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:23 pm It wasn’t against the rules so why should they be fined? Wasn’t the greatest sportsmanship…but it wasn’t illegal.

I could see them making a rule that the offense can’t run an actual play out of that formation to prevent an injury to a defender who is expecting a kneel down but as it stands they didn’t do anything wrong.

the NFL has fined folks before for things that were not technically against the rules (falls under their integrity of the game umbrella)

I see your point ... not (currently) against the rules but I think perhaps it should be as I think it adds a risk element that can be easily avoided

Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:45 pm

This just guarantees that from now on the Falcons will light up the Saints on every victory formation so this may be the last time you see that formation in their games. The Saints players have nullified the point of it.

RichH55 · Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:57 pm

alexwilkins wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:19 pm If they didn’t break an ACTUAL rule, no way should they be fined. Not a penny. Whole thing was blown way out of proportion IMO.

Agreed here

RichH55 · Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:58 pm

Boris13c wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:37 pm
wab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 11:23 pm It wasn’t against the rules so why should they be fined? Wasn’t the greatest sportsmanship…but it wasn’t illegal.

I could see them making a rule that the offense can’t run an actual play out of that formation to prevent an injury to a defender who is expecting a kneel down but as it stands they didn’t do anything wrong.
the NFL has fined folks before for things that were not technically against the rules (falls under their integrity of the game umbrella)

I see your point ... not (currently) against the rules but I think perhaps it should be as I think it adds a risk element that can be easily avoided

Do you have examples of the things not technically against the rules that folks/teams have been fined for? Just curious

Boris13c · Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:23 pm

RichH55 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:58 pm Do you have examples of the things not technically against the rules that folks/teams have been fined for? Just curious

this article may enlighten you ... the NFL is fine happy in 2023 it seems

If it seems like the repeated instances of NFL players paying the league office for nonsense are at an all-time high, it’s because they are. At the very least, 2023 is shattering what players had to endure in 2022. According to Front Office Sports, this season has already surpassed the previous one in fine infractions and the total money of those fines.

The NFL Has Been Ridiculous With Fines in 2023 and These Numbers Prove It

one of my favs is this :

Odell Beckham Jr.’s Week 11 fine was for flashing the peace sign on the way to the end zone because that’s apparently a heinous activity. Amon-Ra St. Brown’s infraction was essentially for blocking too hard. It’s out of control.

RichH55 · Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:33 pm

Boris13c wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:23 pm
RichH55 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:58 pm Do you have examples of the things not technically against the rules that folks/teams have been fined for? Just curious
this article may enlighten you ... the NFL is fine happy in 2023 it seems

If it seems like the repeated instances of NFL players paying the league office for nonsense are at an all-time high, it’s because they are. At the very least, 2023 is shattering what players had to endure in 2022. According to Front Office Sports, this season has already surpassed the previous one in fine infractions and the total money of those fines.

The NFL Has Been Ridiculous With Fines in 2023 and These Numbers Prove It
one of my favs is this :

Odell Beckham Jr.’s Week 11 fine was for flashing the peace sign on the way to the end zone because that’s apparently a heinous activity. Amon-Ra St. Brown’s infraction was essentially for blocking too hard. It’s out of control.

Not really what I asked though. No offense. The Brown thing is beyond conjecture.

NFL has always issues fines for things after the fact (or heck uniform violations) but they were ultimately rule violations.

It's just not a violation to score a TD from the so-called Victory formation. It can be piss poor sportsmanship - Yes (and I agree) but its not a violation

Shadow · Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:20 am

Not against the rules, but I fully expect some teams to fire off the snap the next time the Saints go into the Victory formation. Also not against the rule. per say, but not sportsmanlike either. Saints will have no one to blame except Jameis. May see it against whatever team next has Jameis on the field. Saints or other team. It was just a bad move by a player that has never shown any common sense.

Rusty Trombagent · Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:50 am

Shadow wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:20 am Not against the rules, but I fully expect some teams to fire off the snap the next time the Saints go into the Victory formation. Also not against the rule. per say, but not sportsmanlike either. Saints will have no one to blame except Jameis. May see it against whatever team next has Jameis on the field. Saints or other team. It was just a bad move by a player that has never shown any common sense.

Hey, if that's the worst thing Jameis is ever known for, he's doin ok!

RichH55 · Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:52 pm

Rusty Trombagent wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:50 am
Shadow wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:20 am Not against the rules, but I fully expect some teams to fire off the snap the next time the Saints go into the Victory formation. Also not against the rule. per say, but not sportsmanlike either. Saints will have no one to blame except Jameis. May see it against whatever team next has Jameis on the field. Saints or other team. It was just a bad move by a player that has never shown any common sense.
Hey, if that's the worst thing Jameis is ever known for, he's doin ok!

Such a Crab Leg snob!!!

Oh - I'm being told there is something much worse......