Build the Lines

[wab]

Dexter is a very valuable role player while his run D lags, a star if he gets it shored up.
But either way, until Pickens proves otherwise, you've only got 2 DTs followed by a cliff.

At DE, you've got many solid, credible options - Sweat, Walker, Taylor, Booker.

So, as long as Taylor keeps looking legit, I still feel like DT is the bigger need.

I agree with this.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

The Bears current rankings per Pro Football Reference, bearing in mind that some teams have now had their bye week and played a game less than others and that the advanced stats for this week's games will be updated tomorrow:

QB Hurries per Drop Back: 13th (8.8%)
QB Knockdowns per Pass Attempt: 7th (11.2%)
QB Sacks: 14th (18)

Total Pressures (hurries, knockdowns & sacks) per Drop Back: 7th (27.0%)

So the Bears are one of the better pass rush teams and that's despite the fact they rank 21st for blitz percentage (21.9%).

They're getting production from multiple players rather than relying on a star player.

It's always good to find an upgrade for any position group, but to have sustained success Poles will have to find the right player at the right price. That's easier said than done and will become more difficult as decisions have to be made on drafted players as they become eligible for extensions.

[malk]

Dexter is a very valuable role player while his run D lags, a star if he gets it shored up.
But either way, until Pickens proves otherwise, you've only got 2 DTs followed by a cliff.

At DE, you've got many solid, credible options - Sweat, Walker, Taylor, Booker.

So, as long as Taylor keeps looking legit, I still feel like DT is the bigger need.

I agree with this.

How about Chris Williams? Overthecap has him as a potential EFRA next year...

Taylor is only contracted for this year so looking to 2025 and beyond we've only got Sweat, Walker and Booker so that's still a pretty big need going forward. Resigning Taylor solves a good bit of that mind, or if Booker kicks and and we're just after depth behind him. Both really, given Sweat's relative lack of snaps.

[dplank]

Some with behind Billings would be nice, I think our run defense craters if he goes out for any length of time.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

This is a great article on Montez Sweat and how he's evolved into a true leader this season:

Tez Effect: The Evolution

https://www.chicagobears.com/news/tez-e ... commanders

[HisRoyalSweetness]

A look at Amegadjie's first outing:



Too much of a positive spin in my opinion.

For those interested, PFF have given him an initial 49.8 grade.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

To answer the question of the thread:

It will look like a poorly coached uncoordinated porous penalty machine

[HurricaneBear]

To answer the question of the thread:

It will look like a poorly coached uncoordinated porous penalty machine

A Chicago Bears classic!

[Moriarty]

Not overly specific or a verifiable source, but maybe somewhat confirms the expected.
Not clear on severity, though.

[malk]

Poles has to be aggressively looking at trades right now, even if only to find another Bates like player (hopefully uninjured mind!).

[dplank]

A look at Amegadjie's first outing:



Too much of a positive spin in my opinion.

For those interested, PFF have given him an initial 49.8 grade.

Good stuff here, thx for sharing. His arm length is incredible and he's very quick with his feet as the guy kept pointing out. I saw him get beat a few times in the limited snaps I saw of the game and drew the wrong conclusion - I thought he was getting physically beat but it looked more like confusion more than anything else. Which is understandable in his first action and makes me feel a lot better than just getting manhandled or something.

[malk]

A look at Amegadjie's first outing:



Too much of a positive spin in my opinion.

For those interested, PFF have given him an initial 49.8 grade.

Good stuff here, thx for sharing. His arm length is incredible and he's very quick with his feet as the guy kept pointing out. I saw him get beat a few times in the limited snaps I saw of the game and drew the wrong conclusion - I thought he was getting physically beat but it looked more like confusion more than anything else. Which is understandable in his first action and makes me feel a lot better than just getting manhandled or something.

It was bad but you've got to feel for the guys who come in mid game after barely getting any practice reps the week before, barely any reps all year! That'd be hard for a vet but almost impossible for a green rookie. One to chalk up to experience.

[wab]

A look at Amegadjie's first outing:



Too much of a positive spin in my opinion.

For those interested, PFF have given him an initial 49.8 grade.

Good stuff here, thx for sharing. His arm length is incredible and he's very quick with his feet as the guy kept pointing out. I saw him get beat a few times in the limited snaps I saw of the game and drew the wrong conclusion - I thought he was getting physically beat but it looked more like confusion more than anything else. Which is understandable in his first action and makes me feel a lot better than just getting manhandled or something.

After going back and watching some of his snaps, I really think there might be something to work with. He's incredibly athletic and strong.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

After going back and watching some of his snaps, I really think there might be something to work with. He's incredibly athletic and strong.

Oh there's definitely something to work with. It's just you don't want to work with it in actual games this year particularly when the rest of the line is struggling. It's not good for the team nor is it good for the player. His preparation couldn't have been worse. Unfortunately with all the injuries they may not have much choice.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Honestly, does anyone have any faith in THIS coaching staff to get anything out of this player?

It’ll finish his career before it starts.

Literally all of our offensive linemen get worse the longer they stay in Chicago.
The arrive in Chicago and start the decline from Day 1.

B Jones - great rookie year, decline since mid season Y1.
D Wright -,good rookie year, on the deep decline..
L Patrick - good for Packers, shit for Bears, now good again.

Chicago is not only where QBs come to die, it’s where Offensive linemen come to die.

[malk]

Honestly, does anyone have any faith in THIS coaching staff to get anything out of this player?

It’ll finish his career before it starts.

Literally all of our offensive linemen get worse the longer they stay in Chicago.
The arrive in Chicago and start the decline from Day 1.

B Jones - great rookie year, decline since mid season Y1.
D Wright -,good rookie year, on the deep decline..
L Patrick - good for Packers, shit for Bears, now good again.

Chicago is not only where QBs come to die, it’s where Offensive linemen come to die.

Step away from the ledge comrade!

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Honestly, does anyone have any faith in THIS coaching staff to get anything out of this player?

It’ll finish his career before it starts.

Literally all of our offensive linemen get worse the longer they stay in Chicago.
The arrive in Chicago and start the decline from Day 1.

B Jones - great rookie year, decline since mid season Y1.
D Wright -,good rookie year, on the deep decline..
L Patrick - good for Packers, shit for Bears, now good again.

Chicago is not only where QBs come to die, it’s where Offensive linemen come to die.

Step away from the ledge comrade!

But it’s true

[crueltyabc]

I watched the all-22 and thought Amegadjie struggled a little bit with the quickness he was facing at times. He's a work in progress but didn't look like a bust to me. I'd rather have Borom over there next weekend but also think Amegadjie would look better when he's had a chance to rep with the LG all week. Now... who is that LG? Is Tev really ok? We'll find out tomorrow I guess.

[spudbear]

Feel bad for Murray if the torn pec is true. Felt like he added depth to the roster but he didn't have much of a chance to show his ability in a game.
With Murray out they went to Kramer at LG since Tev was out with an injury. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but for Kramer to take his FB dive at the goal line Tev had to come back in at LG.

So you have a gimpy player in the middle of a scrum with many large men crashing down on him, and it was further compounded when Kramer fumbled next to (behind?) Jenkins. It looked like in the melee Jenkins got bent back as his legs were trapped. A man with back problems has his back bending the wrong way.

[if all of this is true and I believe it is]
How can a coach call this play knowing they're putting Jenkins at the point of attack? Did they promise Kramer they'd run this play when it was available? Did they think it was the best play to run at that time? People are debating whether Stevenson should be benched for a game, but this bonehead play has the potential to take out Jenkins for the rest of the season. Maybe career? Again this shows a lack of awareness by the HC not having the right personnel on the field.

The smart move would have been to keep Kramer at LG, Tev on the bench and run right over Pryor with RoJo. Which is what they did for the second TD. I don't have access to All-22 so if someone can verify this sequence of events leading up to the Kramer fumble I'd appreciate it.

[wab]

Honestly, does anyone have any faith in THIS coaching staff to get anything out of this player?

It’ll finish his career before it starts.

Literally all of our offensive linemen get worse the longer they stay in Chicago.
The arrive in Chicago and start the decline from Day 1.

B Jones - great rookie year, decline since mid season Y1.
D Wright -,good rookie year, on the deep decline..
L Patrick - good for Packers, shit for Bears, now good again.

Chicago is not only where QBs come to die, it’s where Offensive linemen come to die.

Step away from the ledge comrade!

His whole going-nuclear-after-a-loss bit generally wears off when they inevitably win again. Then it’s back to the playoffs.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Step away from the ledge comrade!

His whole going-nuclear-after-a-loss bit generally wears off when they inevitably win again. Then it’s back to the playoffs.

“Inevitably win”.

I thought you were a Bears fan

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Swift Sports has just reported that Braxton Jones is week-to-week and the Bears don't think it's a long-term issue.

He also reported that Bill Murray has been placed on IR.

No news on Teven Jenkins yet.

The Bears have signed Austen Pleasants to the Practice Squad. He's a 6.7 330lb OT who went undrafted out of Ohio. He played 1 game for the Panthers in 2021 and 1 for the Chargers in 2023. In 10 offensive snaps, all with the Chargers, he apparently gave up 2 pressures. Let's hope the OT situation doesn't get any worse...

[dplank]

* sigh *

[HisRoyalSweetness]

For what it's worth, PFF grades and rankings 6 weeks into the season...

• Braxton Jones: 71.4 (26th)

• Darnell Wright: 70.4 (29th)

• Cam Robinson: 69.2 (32nd)

Even moreso:

The best season of Cam's career and the worst of Braxton's are pretty much equal (69).
And, (b), the Bears already spent a Day Two pick to acquire an OT they have high hopes for, but don't know what he can do yet. Why would they immediately spend another to get another?

The Vikings just traded for Cam Robinson.

The Jaguars will get a 2026 fifth-round choice that could become a fourth-round pick based on playing time.

The Vikings will also get a 2026 seventh-round pick, which could disappear based on playing time.

Robinson's current PFF rating has barely changed: 69.4 and still 32nd.

[Teddy KGB]

A look at Amegadjie's first outing:



Too much of a positive spin in my opinion.

For those interested, PFF have given him an initial 49.8 grade.

Good stuff here, thx for sharing. His arm length is incredible and he's very quick with his feet as the guy kept pointing out. I saw him get beat a few times in the limited snaps I saw of the game and drew the wrong conclusion - I thought he was getting physically beat but it looked more like confusion more than anything else. Which is understandable in his first action and makes me feel a lot better than just getting manhandled or something.

A lot of people were making that mistake.

When I was watching the game, I immediately picked up on the issue was Kiran was either not knowing who to block or blocking the wrong guy. But when he did make the right block, he was mauling people.

[crueltyabc]

DNPs: Kiran Amegadjie (calf), Jaquan Brisker (concussion), Kyler Gordon (hamstring), Braxton Jones (knee), Montez Sweat (shin)

LIMITED: Ryan Bates (shoulder), Teven Jenkins (knee)

FULL: Larry Borom (ankle)

Therefore I'm guessing we've got

Borom-Tev-Kramer-Pryor-Wright

[wab]

DNPs: Kiran Amegadjie (calf), Jaquan Brisker (concussion), Kyler Gordon (hamstring), Braxton Jones (knee), Montez Sweat (shin)

LIMITED: Ryan Bates (shoulder), Teven Jenkins (knee)

FULL: Larry Borom (ankle)

Therefore I'm guessing we've got

Borom-Tev-Kramer-Pryor-Wright

Kramer in for Shelton?

[dplank]

So after all that, we're just starting a new LT in Borom? Glad to see Tev on track to play again, he's gutting it out and trying to make it happen each week. At what point does Kiran get the dreaded "injury prone" label that he'll never shake? Man, Borom at LT scares the hell out of me. I'd almost rather shift Pryor over there and give Davis or Bates the start at RG.

[LacertineForest]

Sounds to me like it's time to thrill the nation with the T formation.

[crueltyabc]

DNPs: Kiran Amegadjie (calf), Jaquan Brisker (concussion), Kyler Gordon (hamstring), Braxton Jones (knee), Montez Sweat (shin)

LIMITED: Ryan Bates (shoulder), Teven Jenkins (knee)

FULL: Larry Borom (ankle)

Therefore I'm guessing we've got

Borom-Tev-Kramer-Pryor-Wright

Kramer in for Shelton?

LOL oops forgot about Shelton.

If Borom is the only sub and he's next to his buddy Tev I feel pretty good about that line. If Tev can't go it gets very iffy