And if you signed Mooney, no need to make the trade with the Chargers for Allen which would have had us keep that 4th round pick (I think Poles ends up taking Taylor there), but would have given us pick 122 to add someone to help out the team.RichH55 wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:45 pmAgain - Pryor wasn't actually as bad as you'd like him to be for purposes of this (I think PFF has him like 39th or so as to Guards? Maybe it got worse after last week? Either way we aren't talking Qasim Mitchell)dplank wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:33 pm Instead of Matt Pryor and Jake Curhans, I’d rather have a couple young draft picks - decent ones not 6th and 7th rounders - to put out there when injuries hit. That’s how you develop talent. You have to actually draft some first, then you have them grow in a backup role and take over when ready. Poles wants to develop but he keeps forgetting the first step. He hasn’t drafted a G the last two drafts, and the one before were 7th round total scrubs.
Team that Poles took over (probably will steal this for another post as well)
Cap - It was ok. It wasn't great, wasn't terrible. Getting rid of the Mack and Quinn contracts helps (Mack especially as to Cap Room)
No 1st Rounder
Players they had that would be part of this team and good/helpful:
Montgomery - they did have a HB - Could have resigned him. Is he a Top 10 HB?
Cole Kmet - Good Tight End - Top Ten TE for me (Dplank you don't think hes good or football smart so your mileage may vary)
JJ - #1 CB (Granted this came to be through the process - touch and go as to #1 CB, but proven to be a building block). Top Ten CB in the league for me
Mooney - Legit #2 WR. 3 Years 39 million looks pretty good right now actually. Game changer? Star? Well, No. Legit #2 ? Yes.
Teven Jenkins- Good when he plays. Top 15 Guard overall. Giving you like just over 50% of a season if you ignore Rookie Year
Roquon Smith - Pro Bowl off the ball LB - That you also need to pay $20 million a season and looked slightly worse this year - Still this is a GOOD player, who is young, though not cheap at a non premium position
Cairo - Kicker - Sold
Mack - not really counting - moving him for the pick was the right move (*). But he's at least a player that has value (Quinn was not, getting a 4th for him was just damn FIne GM work)
(*) The Mack stuff is where all the "Tear Down" stuff comes from. IMHO There was no tear down - There was just a Crappy team there
James Daniels - Not really no. He benefits from simply not being Nate Davis. Steelers run is pretty meh.
Borom? I think he's a subpar Swing Tackle, So let's say he's a Depth Guard- Though even that is a bummer because due to the CBA since he played so much he's actually more expensive than he should be for a Rookie contract later round guy
And that was the list.
So all you need
#1 QB
Another HB
#1 WR
#3 WR
Backup TE
Left Tackle
Right Tackle
Swing Tackle
Starting Guard
Guard for the 50% of Tev missed time
Starting Center
Backup Guard/Center
2nd LB
3rd LB
#1 DE
#2 DE
#1 DT
#2 DT
Backup DE
Backup DT
#2 CB
#3 CB
CB Depth
Free Safety
Strong Safety
Backup Safety
Punter
Long Snapper
So no biggie! Probably 2 offseasons no problem!
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Arkansasbear wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:01 pmAnd if you signed Mooney, no need to make the trade with the Chargers for Allen which would have had us keep that 4th round pick (I think Poles ends up taking Taylor there), but would have given us pick 122 to add someone to help out the team.RichH55 wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:45 pm
Again - Pryor wasn't actually as bad as you'd like him to be for purposes of this (I think PFF has him like 39th or so as to Guards? Maybe it got worse after last week? Either way we aren't talking Qasim Mitchell)
Team that Poles took over (probably will steal this for another post as well)
Cap - It was ok. It wasn't great, wasn't terrible. Getting rid of the Mack and Quinn contracts helps (Mack especially as to Cap Room)
No 1st Rounder
Players they had that would be part of this team and good/helpful:
Montgomery - they did have a HB - Could have resigned him. Is he a Top 10 HB?
Cole Kmet - Good Tight End - Top Ten TE for me (Dplank you don't think hes good or football smart so your mileage may vary)
JJ - #1 CB (Granted this came to be through the process - touch and go as to #1 CB, but proven to be a building block). Top Ten CB in the league for me
Mooney - Legit #2 WR. 3 Years 39 million looks pretty good right now actually. Game changer? Star? Well, No. Legit #2 ? Yes.
Teven Jenkins- Good when he plays. Top 15 Guard overall. Giving you like just over 50% of a season if you ignore Rookie Year
Roquon Smith - Pro Bowl off the ball LB - That you also need to pay $20 million a season and looked slightly worse this year - Still this is a GOOD player, who is young, though not cheap at a non premium position
Cairo - Kicker - Sold
Mack - not really counting - moving him for the pick was the right move (*). But he's at least a player that has value (Quinn was not, getting a 4th for him was just damn FIne GM work)
(*) The Mack stuff is where all the "Tear Down" stuff comes from. IMHO There was no tear down - There was just a Crappy team there
James Daniels - Not really no. He benefits from simply not being Nate Davis. Steelers run is pretty meh.
Borom? I think he's a subpar Swing Tackle, So let's say he's a Depth Guard- Though even that is a bummer because due to the CBA since he played so much he's actually more expensive than he should be for a Rookie contract later round guy
And that was the list.
So all you need
#1 QB
Another HB
#1 WR
#3 WR
Backup TE
Left Tackle
Right Tackle
Swing Tackle
Starting Guard
Guard for the 50% of Tev missed time
Starting Center
Backup Guard/Center
2nd LB
3rd LB
#1 DE
#2 DE
#1 DT
#2 DT
Backup DE
Backup DT
#2 CB
#3 CB
CB Depth
Free Safety
Strong Safety
Backup Safety
Punter
Long Snapper
So no biggie! Probably 2 offseasons no problem!
You probably even save some Cap room in 2024 that way too. But yeah. That's not a great situation to be walking into.
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I don’t want him as the coach, but goddamn Kingsbury is calling an incredible game.
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Kingsbury has built an offfense that started the season as a one-read-and-go scheme, evolved it into a two-read-and-go, and now looks like a variant of the Eagles' offense with a QB who looks more accurate as a rookie than Jalen Hurts does as a 5 year vet.
Kingsbury took what his young QB likes to do and added parts as the season progressed. You know, like what Shane Waldron said he was going to do with Caleb Williams.
Kingsbury took what his young QB likes to do and added parts as the season progressed. You know, like what Shane Waldron said he was going to do with Caleb Williams.
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Imo, multiple things can be true at once:
The Bears should have drafted Jayden Daniels. Yes, he’s received far superior coaching and his oline is better, but Jayden Daniels has improved as a rookie to the point that he’s one of the most difficult players to defend in the league and may be the nfls most accurate passer. That said…
This isn’t 2017. Caleb isn’t Trubisky, he has real talent. All is not lost.
The same can be said for Brock Bowers vs Rome Odunze
The Bears should have drafted Jayden Daniels. Yes, he’s received far superior coaching and his oline is better, but Jayden Daniels has improved as a rookie to the point that he’s one of the most difficult players to defend in the league and may be the nfls most accurate passer. That said…
This isn’t 2017. Caleb isn’t Trubisky, he has real talent. All is not lost.
The same can be said for Brock Bowers vs Rome Odunze
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A small footnote: Daniels had the benefit of a few extra practice sessions by virtue of the Commanders hiring a new head coach. Williams will get that small advantage next season as the Bears attempt to replicate the Commanders' success albeit a season later.
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I’d like to replicate it with Kingsbury as HC I think
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Daniels is out of his mind right now - crazy downfield accuracy, consistently makes the right decision FAST, elite running/movement skills - he's as hot as any QB still left standing in the postseason. Yes, Kingsbury has designed the performance system around him, but Daniels is special.
If we weren't Bear fans, we'd be lampooning the beloved for once again taking the wrong QB. That said, even if they did, and it's still early, all is far from lost. This isn't a Mahomes-Trubisky situation. Mitch, arguably, was not a first round talent. Caleb Williams has a TON of raw talent. He's just not as ready as we hoped he'd be "from jump" - that and having 2 head coaches, 2 play callers and 3 OC's made it difficult for him to make the kind of progress we'd hoped he'd make as a rookie. Caleb isn't Mitch.
Still, I think there's a very good chance that, with Jalen Hurts not being healthy and the Eagle's passing attack being substandard, Daniels and Kingsbury bring Fangio and the Eagles defense to their knees and represent the NFC in the SB.
If we weren't Bear fans, we'd be lampooning the beloved for once again taking the wrong QB. That said, even if they did, and it's still early, all is far from lost. This isn't a Mahomes-Trubisky situation. Mitch, arguably, was not a first round talent. Caleb Williams has a TON of raw talent. He's just not as ready as we hoped he'd be "from jump" - that and having 2 head coaches, 2 play callers and 3 OC's made it difficult for him to make the kind of progress we'd hoped he'd make as a rookie. Caleb isn't Mitch.
Still, I think there's a very good chance that, with Jalen Hurts not being healthy and the Eagle's passing attack being substandard, Daniels and Kingsbury bring Fangio and the Eagles defense to their knees and represent the NFC in the SB.
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If Caleb would have gone to Washington, we'd be lamenting that we passed on him for Jayden Daniels.
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Agreed. Hand waving 2 HC's and 2 OC's like they were a minor thing not to mention the effect of consistently losing is a bit unfair. There are way too many variables to compare their performance.wab wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:20 pm If Caleb would have gone to Washington, we'd be lamenting that we passed on him for Jayden Daniels.
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Jayden Daniels played 5 years of College Ball.
Caleb Williams played just 3.
Correct?
Daniels was touted as the more "Pro Ready" prospect coming out. So I am not at all surprised at his play. Proof will be displayed over the next 5 years or so, who was the better pick.
I still believe Daniels small frame/build will eventually be his downfall.
Caleb Williams played just 3.
Correct?
Daniels was touted as the more "Pro Ready" prospect coming out. So I am not at all surprised at his play. Proof will be displayed over the next 5 years or so, who was the better pick.
I still believe Daniels small frame/build will eventually be his downfall.
Bears are actually dating the Prom Queen, who would have thought it?
What alternate universe is this?
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What alternate universe is this?
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If they keep playing him the way the have I 100% agree, but if they do like the Ravens did with Lamar and cut down on the use of his legs some, it may not be as big a deal. But in today's NFL your QB almost has to be built more like a LB.Shadow wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:21 am Jayden Daniels played 5 years of College Ball.
Caleb Williams played just 3.
Correct?
Daniels was touted as the more "Pro Ready" prospect coming out. So I am not at all surprised at his play. Proof will be displayed over the next 5 years or so, who was the better pick.
I still believe Daniels small frame/build will eventually be his downfall.