Updated Mock

[cblaz11]

1. DE- Mykel Williams- big, strong, fast, and smart. Only 20 years old

2. DT- Derrick Harmon- I think he drops into the second based on his numbers. Dig a little deeper and you’ll see a playmaker that was consistently around the ball.

2- WR- Isiah Bond- Speed, speed, and more speed

3- RB - Treveyon Henderson- I think he’s getting overlooked right now..Every down back with big play potential

4- OT- Ozzy Trapilo- Mountain of a guy with NFL bloodlines. I believe he can be a starting LT at the next level after a year of development

5. OG- Miles Frazier- Nasty mauler and team leader…needs some refinement but can eventually be a starter at RG

7. WR Arian Smith- Talented but raw, with the right coaching the sky’s the limit.

7. LB Ben Bywater- Was a tackling machine until injuries set in. Worth the late round flyer

[wab]

I like this a lot but I’d probably sub out one of the receivers for a TE.

[Arkansasbear]

Solid

[Yogi da Bear]

Um. I don't believe we have a fourth.

[cblaz11]

I’m assuming we trade down a few picks with one of our top 3 picks to get the additional 4th lol

[RichH55]

I think our 1st pick - somehow, someway is going to be a Michigan DT

[cblaz11]

Do you take an olinemen at 10 to sit him? That question is why I agree with you somewhat..I think we take a dlinemen and I think it’s Graham.

[bbaker]

I don't know how (remotely) realistic the online draft simulators are regarding when players will be drafted, especially since so much will still change before the draft, but I've done a bunch of them, and noticed several overall trends. I've consistently been able to trade down in Rd 1 by 10-12 spots and add 2-3 additional top-100 picks)...

Needs from this draft: LT (starter), DT, Offensive WEAPON, S, WR3, RB, EDGE, LB (**LT needs to be Rd 1 or 2**).

Here are my thoughts:

*Round 1 - Trade down to add more picks in the top 100 (especially the top 75)

~ pick 17-22 - OT Kelvin Banks (probably gone) or OT Josh Simmons (considered the top OT in the draft before the broken leg)
*not interested in Membou or other RT's

(Several of the top DT's are probably still available at 39, so I wait til 41 for that)

- 39 - TE Harold Fannin Jr (This guy is not a pure/traditional TE. Multi-positional weapon)

- 41 - Depending who is still available >> DT Tyleik Williams ; DT Kenneth Grant ; DT Derrick Harmon; EDGE

~ 49-55 (from trade down) - WR Isaiah Bond ; RB Quinshon Judkins ; EDGE Landon Jackson;

- 72 - S Kevin Winston Jr

~ 100-115 (Acquired in trade-downs) RB or WR (depending on what wasn't drafted above) or EDGE if someone falls... Jack Sawyer/?

- 148 - LB Jack Kiser

Later rounds - out of my depth on late round prospects, but I always like fliers on "special cases" - exciting prospects who got injured or changed positions, etc.

Other thoughts - sometimes in the sims, the LT's go earlier than expected, in which case the EDGE's fall, or maybe a player like TE Warren makes sense in Rd 1. In that case, I consistently was able to get OT Aireontae Ersery at 39 or 41.

[wab]

I disagree that they need a starting LT. They have one, and one potentially in the wings.

If there is a CLEAR upgrade from Jones, then sure, you draft him. I'm not convinced there is though.

I like the Fannin pick.

Grant and Harmon will very likely be gone by 41.

[Z Bear]

I think everyone is writing Amegadjie off due to his poor performance last year when he should not have seen the field at all. The guy was hurt all offseason and camp so he was in no condition to play, especially considering the jump in competition. Now that he is working with Olin on his technique and learning ques from him, one would expect a huge jump in his performance this camp. He has the measurables and seems like a good kid in his interviews, I would like to see what he has to offer before commiting to someone else high in the draft. Dude was a Day 2 pick and we should not be writing him off so quickly.

[bbaker]

I disagree that they need a starting LT. They have one, and one potentially in the wings.

If there is a CLEAR upgrade from Jones, then sure, you draft him. I'm not convinced there is though.

I like the Fannin pick.

Grant and Harmon will very likely be gone by 41.

Regarding LT, Braxton is decent/average. He's NOT great, and keeping him will likely cost $20M+ per year, which means we will need someone else. Amegadjie looked like he never played football in his life when he got on the field. YES, I am writing him off. Completely. If he was still hurt, he wouldn't have played at all, so he WAS healthy. I don't think it's even possible for a player to go from looking THAT bad to being a starting NFL LT in any reasonable amount of time. HORRIBLE pick by Poles. He's not the guy. Time to cut bait.

I think any of the top 3-4 LT's in this draft are clear upgrades from Braxton. He STILL can't anchor against a bull-rush, and he still gets beat too much by speed-rushers. He's a great story, but not the future at LT for the Bears.

[bbaker]

Dude was a Day 2 pick and we should not be writing him off so quickly.

Veylus Jones, Jr....

[wab]

Dude was a Day 2 pick and we should not be writing him off so quickly.

Veylus Jones, Jr....

I’m sorry but this is lazy.

[bbaker]

Veylus Jones, Jr....

I’m sorry but this is lazy.

My point is that just because someone was a 3rd round pick, doesn't mean they were a good pick, or that we should keep holding out hope that they will drastically improve when what we've seen indicates they are not good at football.

Also, Pace has already shown a history of some bad picks that we should have given up on sooner than we did. Veylus is a great example of that.

[thunderspirit]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

[cblaz11]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

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Stack rank the LTs and factor in age, BJ is probably around 16. I’ll take that is he’s our 5th best olinemen

I’m officially writing off Amgadejie as a tackle…I hated the pick when it was made, I hate it when he was injured to start, and I hated it when he played. The guys not a starting OT in the NFL.

[bbaker]

Like I said, Braxton is average/decent. 16 out of 32 is pretty much the definition of mediocre. I’m not satisfied with a mediocre player at the most important position on the OL.

LT is also the most expensive position on the OL. I’d rather have a more talented rookie there this year, than have to choose whether to pay Braxton or not next February/March when we don’t know what we’ll be able to get in the draft next April. Do you really want to pay Braxton $20M+ starting next year?

[Heinz D.]

I disagree that they need a starting LT. They have one, and one potentially in the wings.

If there is a CLEAR upgrade from Jones, then sure, you draft him. I'm not convinced there is though.

You're not convinced there is a clear upgrade from Jones at #10?

Seriously?

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

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Stack rank the LTs and factor in age, BJ is probably around 16. I’ll take that is he’s our 5th best olinemen

I’m officially writing off Amgadejie as a tackle…I hated the pick when it was made, I hate it when he was injured to start, and I hated it when he played. The guys not a starting OT in the NFL.

Ugh! I don’t want to agree with you on Amegadjie, but I think you’re right. Even though he was thrown into the deep end, he displayed a jarring lack of athleticism and instinct for the position. He looked like a 2nd string DII LT trying to play in the NFL. I’m going to hope for the best, but…

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Amegadjie looked like he never played football in his life when he got on the field. YES, I am writing him off. Completely. If he was still hurt, he wouldn't have played at all, so he WAS healthy. I don't think it's even possible for a player to go from looking THAT bad to being a starting NFL LT in any reasonable amount of time. HORRIBLE pick by Poles. He's not the guy. Time to cut bait.

There's a big difference between being healthy enough to play and being prepared to make the step up from the Ivy League to the NFL level having not played for a year and having missed the entire offseason and most of training camp.

It was clear he wasn't ready last year, but that doesn't mean he should be written off. He may or may not amount to anything, but at least let the new coaches see what do with him.

I see you're not the only one doing it, but to form a conclusion on a player on such a small sample size and given the circumstances is just plain daft. The kid only played 125 snaps.

[Arkansasbear]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

While on his rookie contract sure. Next year when we have to pay him $20M / year? I don’t think so.

[thunderspirit]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

While on his rookie contract sure. Next year when we have to pay him $20M / year? I don’t think so.

With all necessary apologies to @wab: if Jones signs a contract on the Charles Leno scale proportionate to the cap, he's absolutely fine.

[G08]

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Stack rank the LTs and factor in age, BJ is probably around 16. I’ll take that is he’s our 5th best olinemen

I’m officially writing off Amgadejie as a tackle…I hated the pick when it was made, I hate it when he was injured to start, and I hated it when he played. The guys not a starting OT in the NFL.

Ugh! I don’t want to agree with you on Amegadjie, but I think you’re right. Even though he was thrown into the deep end, he displayed a jarring lack of athleticism and instinct for the position. He looked like a 2nd string DII LT trying to play in the NFL. I’m going to hope for the best, but…

Let's see what a healthy offseason will do for him, along with being coached up by Dan Roushar.

[G08]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

I never looked at it this way until now. Huh.


Still, that second contract is going to drop his overall value way down in my book (unless he figures out how to develop a mother-fucking anchor).

[docc]

..if his mother agrees..

[Heinz D.]

Look, if Braxton Jones is your fifth best starter, then your offensive line is fucking awesome.

Well, it certainly has improved hasn't it?

But that's not a very compelling argument, overall, anyway. When you have a right handed quarterback, you want your LT to be your BEST starter, not your worst. That's why they're often drafted high. Like at #10.

Ugh! I don’t want to agree with you on Amegadjie, but I think you’re right. Even though he was thrown into the deep end, he displayed a jarring lack of athleticism and instinct for the position. He looked like a 2nd string DII LT trying to play in the NFL. I’m going to hope for the best, but…

He looked lost. Absolutely lost.

But Poles chose him, so he really must be on his way to the Hall of Fame. Just give him eight or nine years, Kiran'll figure it out...

Amegadjie looked like he never played football in his life when he got on the fI see you're not the only one doing it, but to form a conclusion on a player on such a small sample size and given the circumstances is just plain daft. The kid only played 125 snaps.

Dude, he's any Ivy League player. Throughout his college career, he never really played anybody. His tape isn't worthless, but it's not great proof of anything.

Right now, the safest assumption is that he's a bust. He just had a high RAS. So, you know...

[cblaz11]

To say that watching a player actually play and coming to the conclusion that he isn’t a starter is daft is..well..daft.

Rookie or not, anyone who watched him play and thinks he’s a LT in this league is someone whose ability to judge talent is not where it needs to be. Hope all you want, the guy was a bad pick at the time and he’s an even worse pick now. Can he play guard…sure. Lucas Patrick also played OG…doesn’t mean he was good at it.


Leave it to a Bear fan to watch Jones the last 3 years play solid football on really bad teams yet want to move on from him so Kyren Omagawhatever can jump in and play.

Can we draft someone at 10 that might be better..yes. That said, they might now be. There is no player at 10 that I feel comfortable saying is a guarantee to beat out Jones. And I like Campbell and Banks a lot.

[cblaz11]

Also, the NFL as a whole has serious issues at LT. Dan Moore just got 20 mill per…

College offenses have changed so much, it’s making LT prospects even harder to scout. If we let Jones walk, there willl be a line of 10-12 teams offering him 25 mill per year…

[wab]

I disagree that they need a starting LT. They have one, and one potentially in the wings.

If there is a CLEAR upgrade from Jones, then sure, you draft him. I'm not convinced there is though.

You're not convinced there is a clear upgrade from Jones at #10?

Seriously?

I said what I said.

[Shadow]

I am actually excited to see Braxton and Wright play alongside really good interior linemen. I think both are going to show much better play this year.