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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:10 pm 
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I wonder if he'd excel as Danny Trevathan's replacement? He has the speed and coverage ability and can certainly blitz.

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 10:30 pm 
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I think we are going to see some serious shit out of Floyd this year. He really started gaining a lot of confidence in the last quarter of the season. When he had a healthy hand, and a healthy Mack across from him, he started to flash some real nice moves, and a really high motor. I think that with a full healthy training camp between the two of them, they are going to become quite the dynamic duo.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 4:15 pm 
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I never really liked Floyd he was too skinny when drafted and up till the end of the season last year (for where he was drafted) I believed he was a bust and honestly still do. I know Pace signed the option because he wants to make sure that he's not being too hasty by letting him go because of those games and what he invested in him with the draft pick.

I just don't see Floyd being any more than what he's been... Maybe Pagano will have him rush more but when you look at a guy like Mack and see all the moves, power and quickness and then watch Floyd with his one move sitting there waving his upper body back and forth 5 yards away from a QB while being stonewalled by the LT just doesn't scream 13-15 mil a year. Especially when you have Hicks, Goldman and Mack on that same line taking double and even triple teams.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong but I highly doubt it... I think it was a mistake to extend him at that price and I honestly think he won't be a Bear the following year. He hasn't shown enough and hasn't improved with his pass rush moves/technique much he's still a one trick pony IMHO.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:59 pm 
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I suppose that I still like Floyd enough. The upside he's flashed at times has been exciting and he's consistently been solid when healthy. He's a "good" player who seems like he COULD turn into something more if he could just stay healthy. The problem is that he can't do that (at least not yet in 3 seasons worth of chances) and he hasn't quite lived up to his top ten overall draft price that we bid on him at. He's a great compliment... but when the expectation is for a player to be in the elite pass rusher conversation? That's not quite cutting it.

If we cut bait with him after next season, I'll feel rather indifferent about it. I would, however, love to be the team that gets a hold of him at a good price point following his potential departure.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:43 pm 
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Reading all the discussion I went back through Floyd's stats to see if I could figure out if the lineman he most often goes against are decent.

2016

1/2 sack vs Houston - Duane Brown starting LT - downside and was traded away a season later, managed to make PB though
2 sacks against GB first game - Bahktiari starting LT Pro Bowl Season
1 sack against MN first game - TJ Clemmings - trash
1.5 sacks against TB - Donovan Smith - bad
2 sacks against SF - Joe Staley - good, had a trash QB behind him

2017

1 sack against GB first game - Bakhtiari
2 sacks against MN first game - Riley Reiff - trash
1 sack against Carolina - Matt Kalil - trash
1/2 sack against GB second game - Bakhtiari

2018

1 sack against detroit first game - Taylor Decker - trash
1 sack against giants - Nate Solder - over the hill
2 sacks against GB second game - Bakhtiari

Granted these are assumptions as he does move around but most the time he is going against the LT from the games I have watched.

He has been great against GB which is most likely Bakhtiari who is more than solid as a LT but bascially everyone except Staley has either been trash, journeyman or below average. 5.5 of his 15 sacks have come vs GB.

You could also look at it as over a 3 season career over 50 percent of his sacks have come in 4 games total.


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:41 am 
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southdakbearfan wrote:
Reading all the discussion I went back through Floyd's stats to see if I could figure out if the lineman he most often goes against are decent.

2016

1/2 sack vs Houston - Duane Brown starting LT - downside and was traded away a season later, managed to make PB though
2 sacks against GB first game - Bahktiari starting LT Pro Bowl Season
1 sack against MN first game - TJ Clemmings - trash
1.5 sacks against TB - Donovan Smith - bad
2 sacks against SF - Joe Staley - good, had a trash QB behind him

2017

1 sack against GB first game - Bakhtiari
2 sacks against MN first game - Riley Reiff - trash
1 sack against Carolina - Matt Kalil - trash
1/2 sack against GB second game - Bakhtiari

2018

1 sack against detroit first game - Taylor Decker - trash
1 sack against giants - Nate Solder - over the hill
2 sacks against GB second game - Bakhtiari

Granted these are assumptions as he does move around but most the time he is going against the LT from the games I have watched.

He has been great against GB which is most likely Bakhtiari who is more than solid as a LT but bascially everyone except Staley has either been trash, journeyman or below average. 5.5 of his 15 sacks have come vs GB.

You could also look at it as over a 3 season career over 50 percent of his sacks have come in 4 games total.


Rodgers holds onto the ball against us because our secondary has always been suspect. I don't think Floyd has any magical pass rush move that overwhelms Bakhtiari.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:16 am 
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Atkins&Rebel wrote:
southdakbearfan wrote:
Reading all the discussion I went back through Floyd's stats to see if I could figure out if the lineman he most often goes against are decent.

2016

1/2 sack vs Houston - Duane Brown starting LT - downside and was traded away a season later, managed to make PB though
2 sacks against GB first game - Bahktiari starting LT Pro Bowl Season
1 sack against MN first game - TJ Clemmings - trash
1.5 sacks against TB - Donovan Smith - bad
2 sacks against SF - Joe Staley - good, had a trash QB behind him

2017

1 sack against GB first game - Bakhtiari
2 sacks against MN first game - Riley Reiff - trash
1 sack against Carolina - Matt Kalil - trash
1/2 sack against GB second game - Bakhtiari

2018

1 sack against detroit first game - Taylor Decker - trash
1 sack against giants - Nate Solder - over the hill
2 sacks against GB second game - Bakhtiari

Granted these are assumptions as he does move around but most the time he is going against the LT from the games I have watched.

He has been great against GB which is most likely Bakhtiari who is more than solid as a LT but bascially everyone except Staley has either been trash, journeyman or below average. 5.5 of his 15 sacks have come vs GB.

You could also look at it as over a 3 season career over 50 percent of his sacks have come in 4 games total.


Rodgers holds onto the ball against us because our secondary has always been suspect. I don't think Floyd has any magical pass rush move that overwhelms Bakhtiari.


If our secondary was always so suspect - wouldn't Rodgers have a receiver open and not have to hold the ball?

Rodgers has been sacked a lot in his career and (in general) holds the ball longer than most QB's. Especially during Floyd's career - he's also had receiving corps that have done poorly in getting separation. So, I agree that it has to do with Rodgers penchant for holding the ball... but I just disagree with it having to do with our secondary. He just holds the damn ball a lot.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:21 am 
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Pass rushing is so volatile. Fans were saying Vic Beasley is who the Bears should of drafted after he 15.5 sacks in his second season. He followed that up with two 5 sacks seasons and isn't even a full time starter. Melvin Ingram was a bust as a pass rusher with a total of 6 sacks in his first 3 seasons and a torn ACL until he wasn't. This discussion about Floyd always gets framed in terms of sack totals, but I think getting Mack has changed what's needed at the opposite OLB position.

How hard it is going to be for the Bears to find another OLB that can set the edge well in the run game, play detached from the formation to jam WRs and TEs, drop 15 yards downfield, and still be a threat as a pass rusher? The Bears cannot afford someone like that in free agency. To find someone with that level of athleticism is going to take a 1st or 2nd round pick. Given the bust rate for OLBs do you really want to spend valuable draft capital there on a team trying to win now?

I see Floyd as someone who plays with consistent effort, sets the edge well with his length, allows the Bears defense to scheme like being able to play the base defense against the Rams' 3 WR sets, and is still a pass rushing threat with his speed. He also seems to have gotten past the concussion issues, which were scary early in his career. I'm hoping the Bears can use his injury history and lack of sack production to this point to get Floyd signed to an extension before the season starts because I don't see how the Bears replace him if he runs into a 10 sack season in 2019 or 2020.


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ursamagnus wrote:
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Leonard Floyd has been fairly disappointing, I guess, but I don't feel like he's on a downward trend. He feels like one of those guys that has so much talent and skill, but sometimes needs the right moment to burst out. I have a feeling he'll really excel under Pagano, and be used as a coverage utility far less.

Floyd needs to shake off the Fangio rust of being a semi-safety for a couple years and remember how to be the fluid pass rushing terror that made him worthy of the 9th overall pick.


I don't disagree that much.

Floyd's upside is "Jason Taylor but better in coverage" Was he overdrafted? Yes. was he a valid 1st round pick? Yes. Injuries have limited his development. I'm willing to pay the money to hold onto him if manageable under cap.



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Pass rushing is so volatile. Fans were saying Vic Beasley is who the Bears should of drafted after he 15.5 sacks in his second season. He followed that up with two 5 sacks seasons and isn't even a full time starter. Melvin Ingram was a bust as a pass rusher with a total of 6 sacks in his first 3 seasons and a torn ACL until he wasn't. This discussion about Floyd always gets framed in terms of sack totals, but I think getting Mack has changed what's needed at the opposite OLB position.

How hard it is going to be for the Bears to find another OLB that can set the edge well in the run game, play detached from the formation to jam WRs and TEs, drop 15 yards downfield, and still be a threat as a pass rusher? The Bears cannot afford someone like that in free agency. To find someone with that level of athleticism is going to take a 1st or 2nd round pick. Given the bust rate for OLBs do you really want to spend valuable draft capital there on a team trying to win now?

I see Floyd as someone who plays with consistent effort, sets the edge well with his length, allows the Bears defense to scheme like being able to play the base defense against the Rams' 3 WR sets, and is still a pass rushing threat with his speed. He also seems to have gotten past the concussion issues, which were scary early in his career. I'm hoping the Bears can use his injury history and lack of sack production to this point to get Floyd signed to an extension before the season starts because I don't see how the Bears replace him if he runs into a 10 sack season in 2019 or 2020.


Not disagreeing but in today’s nfl olb’s Get paid big money if they are successful pass rushers or pile up boatloads of tackles.


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