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Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:40 am

Any word on him? Maybe they will ir Massie after Lucas performance yesterday? Or Trevathon if he's not healing how they thought
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:56 am

I don't know much about him, except that Broncos fans all day their entire offensive line sucks. And he was their understudy.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:23 pm

And they sign another TE. Shaheen and McManis to IR.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... xKLQEA0_xs
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:49 pm

Otis Day wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:23 pm
And they sign another TE. Shaheen and McManis to IR.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... xKLQEA0_xs
Interesting. Well, that's the end of Shaheen's career here and it looks like we're taking a free look at Eric Saubert since Dax Raymond is already on the PS.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:35 am

G08 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:49 pm
Otis Day wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:23 pm
And they sign another TE. Shaheen and McManis to IR.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... xKLQEA0_xs
Interesting. Well, that's the end of Shaheen's career here and it looks like we're taking a free look at Eric Saubert since Dax Raymond is already on the PS.
This one hurts because I had high hopes for Shaheen. I remember being perpetually pissed off that Fox didn't establish a rhythm early on between Mitch and Shaheen. Shaheen's injury history obviously didn't help that either.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned that TEs shouldn't be drafted in the second round.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:38 am

The Marshall Plan wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:35 am
G08 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:49 pm


Interesting. Well, that's the end of Shaheen's career here and it looks like we're taking a free look at Eric Saubert since Dax Raymond is already on the PS.
This one hurts because I had high hopes for Shaheen. I remember being perpetually pissed off that Fox didn't establish a rhythm early on between Mitch and Shaheen. Shaheen's injury history obviously didn't help that either.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned that TEs shouldn't be drafted in the second round.
Yeah man... I never liked how stiff he was and how he always seemed to fall down after any catch he made. At the end of the day, he just flat-out sucked here and reading between the lines it seems like Nagy didn't care for his lack of preparation.

Oh well. On to the next one.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Otis Day wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:23 pm
And they sign another TE. Shaheen and McManis to IR.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... xKLQEA0_xs
I just think Shaheen never had the "want to". He didn't look like he was in really good shape. His balance sucked. And he was injury prone. A lot of that can be shored up with the right workout regimen, and having the desire to be excellent. I never saw that out of him. You can coach how to be excellent, but not the why.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:18 pm

The Marshall Plan wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:35 am
G08 wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:49 pm


Interesting. Well, that's the end of Shaheen's career here and it looks like we're taking a free look at Eric Saubert since Dax Raymond is already on the PS.
This one hurts because I had high hopes for Shaheen. I remember being perpetually pissed off that Fox didn't establish a rhythm early on between Mitch and Shaheen. Shaheen's injury history obviously didn't help that either.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned that TEs shouldn't be drafted in the second round.
I sure don't agree that TEs shouldn't be drafted in R2. Small school projects, OK.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:43 pm

Mikefive wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:18 pm
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Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:35 am


This one hurts because I had high hopes for Shaheen. I remember being perpetually pissed off that Fox didn't establish a rhythm early on between Mitch and Shaheen. Shaheen's injury history obviously didn't help that either.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned that TEs shouldn't be drafted in the second round.
I sure don't agree that TEs shouldn't be drafted in R2. Small school projects, OK.
Yeah, the track record of early TEs was worse than I expected, but I still wouldn't write it off completely:

2 10 42 Rob Gronkowski
1 31 31 Greg Olsen
1 6 6 Vernon Davis
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:22 pm

I did a little more checking – certainly not the definitive way to analyze the position, but it was something not-meaningless that I could do fairly quickly.

All Pro TEs for the last 10 yrs and draft round.
First by year, then just unique individuals from that time period.


2018 Kelce 3 Ertz 2 Kittle 5
2017 Gronk 2 Kelce 3
2016 Kelce 3 Olsen 1
2015 Gronk 2 Olsen 1
2014 Gronk 2
2013 Graham 3 Davis 1
2012 Gonzalez 1 Witten 3 Gronk 2
2011 Gronk 2 Graham 3
2010 Witten 3 Gates UD Lewis 1
2009 Clark 1 Gates UD Witten 3

Avg 2.74


Olsen 1
Davis 1
Gonzalez 1
Lewis 1
Clark 1
Ertz 2
Gronk 2
Kelce 3
Graham 3
Witten 3
Kittle 5
Gates 8
avg 2.58


Granted, you don’t need to have an All Pro at the position, but this look makes it feel like R2-3 is the sweet spot and hoping for another Kittle isn’t terribly realistic.
If anyone has the enthusiasm for a more intensive analysis, have at it. I’d be interested to see how often drafting TEs on Day 3 works out.
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Re: Bears signing Denver Bronco PS O lineman

Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:43 pm

Put in some more effort and looking at the 32 top TEs in % of team offensive snaps taken.

Of the 32 the round breakdown was:
1) 5
2) 8
3) 8
4) 1
5) 4
6) 2
7) 0
UD) 4

It is possible to get starters late (11/32 from R4 or later), but most come from 1-3.
It still seems like from this look R2-3 is the place to be mining.

I didn't segment by types of TE (which would be hard), but I do feel like move TEs can be found a little later than other types, though.
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