Justin Fields Megathread - A story of Lovers and Haters

[malk]

You're going all in on the Denver defense???


The one that gave up 31 the week after the Bears and 70 the week before?

The one that is ranked 32nd in yards/play?
The one that is ranked 32nd in points/game?
The one that is ranked 32nd in completion percentage?
The one that is ranked 32nd in passer rating against?







Unreal the lack of self-awareness here

Get a mirror, man

All in? Not at all; can you show me where I said that?

I simply pointed out the preposterousness of your post. After Justin Fields dropped 28 points on the Broncos, they held:

Patrick Mahomes to 19 points
Patrick Mahomes to 9 points
Josh Allen to 22 points

But if they held those good QBs to decent amounts in those three games they must have been mind blowingly awful to be the worst defence in football over the rest of the season right? Even if you drop the 70 point spanking down to giving up 40 points they'd be about 25th in the league.

Also to add, KC aren't putting up massive points this year so far, only 13th in PPG and arguably their defence, 2nd in PPG allowed, is the better unit. Mahomes is a nice shaved knuckle in the hole to have in that scenario though!

[G08]

All in? Not at all; can you show me where I said that?

I simply pointed out the preposterousness of your post. After Justin Fields dropped 28 points on the Broncos, they held:

Patrick Mahomes to 19 points
Patrick Mahomes to 9 points
Josh Allen to 22 points

But if they held those good QBs to decent amounts in those three games they must have been mind blowingly awful to be the worst defence in football over the rest of the season right? Even if you drop the 70 point spanking down to giving up 40 points they'd be about 25th in the league.

Also to add, KC aren't putting up massive points this year so far, only 13th in PPG and arguably their defence, 2nd in PPG allowed, is the better unit. Mahomes is a nice shaved knuckle in the hole to have in that scenario though!

Teams improve, I'm of the opinion you don't really see the true iteration of a team until there's a frost on the pumpkin.

Holding Mahomes to 14 points per game in a season is a phenomenal feat, IMO, especially when his team is averaging 25.71 PPG when not facing Denver... Not to mention he's the best QB in the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Regarding the "mind blowingly awful" comment, I would imagine having a 70-burger dropped on you would hurt one's stats.


But I'm doing the same thing I was complaining about the other day, right? Bending stats the way I want to suit my side of an argument (I can at least can admit it, though).

[dplank]

All in? Not at all; can you show me where I said that?

I simply pointed out the preposterousness of your post. After Justin Fields dropped 28 points on the Broncos, they held:

Patrick Mahomes to 19 points
Patrick Mahomes to 9 points
Josh Allen to 22 points

But if they held those good QBs to decent amounts in those three games they must have been mind blowingly awful to be the worst defence in football over the rest of the season right? Even if you drop the 70 point spanking down to giving up 40 points they'd be about 25th in the league.

Also to add, KC aren't putting up massive points this year so far, only 13th in PPG and arguably their defence, 2nd in PPG allowed, is the better unit. Mahomes is a nice shaved knuckle in the hole to have in that scenario though!

Funny how that works. Take Tyreke Hill off the team, and start a bunch of scrubs at WR, and Mahomes + KCs offense suddenly looks average (even with Kelce!). Not Top 6, dump Mahomes! I wonder how he’d have looked throwing to Dante Pettis and ESB and Kmet last year. Need more? Tua was looking at a complete bust / cut option before Hill and Waddle arrived, now he’s an All Pro. Hurts wasn’t very good his first few years, then Smith and Brown arrived and now he’s a top 5 QB.

IMO - this is the first time that I’m ready to say that Fields has a fighting chance and I’m going to really judge him harshly on his performance. The OL is playing well, Moore and Kmet are good players, we have a good run game, and our defense improved. These next 7 games mean everything to my outlook on Fields. If he flops, I’ll be ready to move on. But I’m proud to stand by him while so many others have made their minds up with such undeniably questionable surroundings to date that affect every QB. I hope he goes on a tear.

[G08]

What happened to this guy? Not just "running more" if you watch the entire clip, but the way he's fighting in the pocket, the energy/power/juice he's displaying on the field, the fun he's having. It's literally inside him, we have seen it.

https://youtu.be/psWD4A_QC2A?t=37

[The Marshall Plan]

What happened to this guy? Not just "running more" if you watch the entire clip, but the way he's fighting in the pocket, the energy/power/juice he's displaying on the field, the fun he's having. It's literally inside him, we have seen it.

https://youtu.be/psWD4A_QC2A?t=37

One more reason why I love you.

You talk about quarterbacks the way a man talks about a hot woman.

[G08]

What happened to this guy? Not just "running more" if you watch the entire clip, but the way he's fighting in the pocket, the energy/power/juice he's displaying on the field, the fun he's having. It's literally inside him, we have seen it.

https://youtu.be/psWD4A_QC2A?t=37

One more reason why I love you.

You talk about quarterbacks the way a man talks about a hot woman.

If you look at it that way, we've been getting cock-teased our entire life

[pus]

What happened to this guy? Not just "running more" if you watch the entire clip, but the way he's fighting in the pocket, the energy/power/juice he's displaying on the field, the fun he's having. It's literally inside him, we have seen it.

https://youtu.be/psWD4A_QC2A?t=37

One more reason why I love you.

You talk about quarterbacks the way a man talks about a hot woman.

[Burl]

I really hope Fields just crushes it when he comes back.
We need this.

[HurricaneBear]

I really hope Fields just crushes it when he comes back.
We need this.

Wouldnt it be nice if for once a Bears QB comes out and just takes the job? 37-10 type stomping of the Lions where all phases take off and then actually continue rolling with that injury free?

Can we please have that just once?

[The Marshall Plan]

One more reason why I love you.

You talk about quarterbacks the way a man talks about a hot woman.

If you look at it that way, we've been getting cock-teased our entire life

George Carlin describes my feelings on this quite well.....

"I'll tell ya one thing about my personal life that I've never told before. I never fucked a ten, but one night, I fucked five twos."

https://madmusic.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=21863

[RichH55]

But if they held those good QBs to decent amounts in those three games they must have been mind blowingly awful to be the worst defence in football over the rest of the season right? Even if you drop the 70 point spanking down to giving up 40 points they'd be about 25th in the league.

Also to add, KC aren't putting up massive points this year so far, only 13th in PPG and arguably their defence, 2nd in PPG allowed, is the better unit. Mahomes is a nice shaved knuckle in the hole to have in that scenario though!

Funny how that works. Take Tyreke Hill off the team, and start a bunch of scrubs at WR, and Mahomes + KCs offense suddenly looks average (even with Kelce!). Not Top 6, dump Mahomes! I wonder how he’d have looked throwing to Dante Pettis and ESB and Kmet last year. Need more? Tua was looking at a complete bust / cut option before Hill and Waddle arrived, now he’s an All Pro. Hurts wasn’t very good his first few years, then Smith and Brown arrived and now he’s a top 5 QB.

IMO - this is the first time that I’m ready to say that Fields has a fighting chance and I’m going to really judge him harshly on his performance. The OL is playing well, Moore and Kmet are good players, we have a good run game, and our defense improved. These next 7 games mean everything to my outlook on Fields. If he flops, I’ll be ready to move on. But I’m proud to stand by him while so many others have made their minds up with such undeniably questionable surroundings to date that affect every QB. I hope he goes on a tear.

Jalen Hurts was 8-7 basically his first full year starting in the NFL. Threw for over 3000 Yards.

Justin Fields hasn't approached either - and that's the bad "few years" for Hurts? (Few years feels like it should actually have a meaning ....but sure. Basically 1. Got it. "Few")

[southdakbearfan]

Funny how that works. Take Tyreke Hill off the team, and start a bunch of scrubs at WR, and Mahomes + KCs offense suddenly looks average (even with Kelce!). Not Top 6, dump Mahomes! I wonder how he’d have looked throwing to Dante Pettis and ESB and Kmet last year. Need more? Tua was looking at a complete bust / cut option before Hill and Waddle arrived, now he’s an All Pro. Hurts wasn’t very good his first few years, then Smith and Brown arrived and now he’s a top 5 QB.

IMO - this is the first time that I’m ready to say that Fields has a fighting chance and I’m going to really judge him harshly on his performance. The OL is playing well, Moore and Kmet are good players, we have a good run game, and our defense improved. These next 7 games mean everything to my outlook on Fields. If he flops, I’ll be ready to move on. But I’m proud to stand by him while so many others have made their minds up with such undeniably questionable surroundings to date that affect every QB. I hope he goes on a tear.

Jalen Hurts was 8-7 basically his first full year starting in the NFL. Threw for over 3000 Yards.

Justin Fields hasn't approached either - and that's the bad "few years" for Hurts? (Few years feels like it should actually have a meaning ....but sure. Basically 1. Got it. "Few")

The chiefs also got rid of tyreek and promptly went out and had the most yards and ppg last season in the nfl as well.

[The Marshall Plan]

Jalen Hurts was 8-7 basically his first full year starting in the NFL. Threw for over 3000 Yards.

Justin Fields hasn't approached either - and that's the bad "few years" for Hurts? (Few years feels like it should actually have a meaning ....but sure. Basically 1. Got it. "Few")

The chiefs also got rid of tyreek and promptly went out and had the most yards and ppg last season in the nfl as well.

These are great ideas.

Let's compare JF1 to Mahomes too.

While we're at it, let's do the same comparison, but with Tom Brady.

Then we can talk about how should acquire either Kirk Cousins or Kyler Murray.

[southdakbearfan]

The chiefs also got rid of tyreek and promptly went out and had the most yards and ppg last season in the nfl as well.

These are great ideas.

Let's compare JF1 to Mahomes too.

While we're at it, let's do the same comparison, but with Tom Brady.

Then we can talk about how should acquire either Kirk Cousins or Kyler Murray.

There isn’t a comparison. Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL IMO.

It doesn’t matter if he has scrubs around him, by the end of the year their offense will end up top 10 most likely. That’s just how good he is.

[dplank]

These are great ideas.

Let's compare JF1 to Mahomes too.

While we're at it, let's do the same comparison, but with Tom Brady.

Then we can talk about how should acquire either Kirk Cousins or Kyler Murray.

There isn’t a comparison. Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL IMO.

It doesn’t matter if he has scrubs around him, by the end of the year their offense will end up top 10 most likely. That’s just how good he is.

According to some here, top 10 wouldn’t be good enough for Fields. That’s my point.

At any rate, the second half of my post was ignored in favor of continuing an argument. I’m curious to hear from the haters side: I’m ready to throw in the towel if he sucks these next 7 games as I think he finally has at least a fighting chance out there. Are you all ready to embrace him as our guy if he plays well?

I’m not taking about what you’re rooting for, we are all rooting for him to do well. I’m talking about changing your opinion of him.

These next 7 games will show who is right, and who is dead lol...

[HurricaneBear]

Every single Bears fan should want Justin to succeed. So shouldn't everyone go into tomorrow hoping for the best? I know I am. So why should there be any need to debate today? We should all be on team Justin right now, before this game.

[The Marshall Plan]

There isn’t a comparison. Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL IMO.

It doesn’t matter if he has scrubs around him, by the end of the year their offense will end up top 10 most likely. That’s just how good he is.

According to some here, top 10 wouldn’t be good enough for Fields. That’s my point.

At any rate, the second half of my post was ignored in favor of continuing an argument. I’m curious to hear from the haters side: I’m ready to throw in the towel if he sucks these next 7 games as I think he finally has at least a fighting chance out there. Are you all ready to embrace him as our guy if he plays well?

I’m not taking about what you’re rooting for, we are all rooting for him to do well. I’m talking about changing your opinion of him.

These next 7 games will show who is right, and who is dead lol...

Forget JF1 for a moment.

Conceptually speaking at some point we have to go with Good Enough at QB.

The expectation cannot be HOF or Perpetual Search. It's just too expensive to do that.

The cost of that quest are high first round draft picks, an insane offer on a trade deal (you'd have to get lucky that a QB is even available), and always resetting the clock on rebuilding the team.

Back to JF1:

I need to know if we can reasonably build around JF1 to win. Do I see a realistic scenario where we get to the NFC Conference Game or the Super Bowl and not getting there IN SPITE OF JF1. I'm leaning towards that being true, but I have doubts about whether or not his brain is shot from everything the Bears have put him through.

To me, it's exciting as hell to start next season with JF1, an OL consisting of Fashanu, Jenkins and Wright with weapons like Moore, MHJ, Kmet and the RB stable.

But that excitement will be squandered if we keep this Idiot Parade coaching staff. I suspect they'll be gone.

What I do want from the people that want to move on from JF1 is this, if that happens, kindly and politely shut the fuck up about the new QB for two years. Let's not have another Mitch or Fields where everything is over-analyzed knowing full well it takes rookie QBs a solid 2 years to come to fruition.

[thunderspirit]

Every single Bears fan should want Justin to succeed.

One would think.

And yet.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

It will be interesting to see how the team in general and the offense in particular comes out playing tomorrow. There have been reports coming out about how energised the team is to have Fields back. As much as Bagent has earned his teammates' respect, Fields is still the starter and this is still his team. They know he has that big play potential. DJ Moore had his two big games this season with Fields out there. Mooney is very close to him too. These guys want him to succeed. I'm really hoping everyone raises their game as a result.

[Grizzled]

One thing I hadn't considered is that Poles has made the decision to move on and will use the next 7 games to showcase hime for a trade.

[Moriarty]

You're going all in on the Denver defense???


The one that gave up 31 the week after the Bears and 70 the week before?

The one that is ranked 32nd in yards/play?
The one that is ranked 32nd in points/game?
The one that is ranked 32nd in completion percentage?
The one that is ranked 32nd in passer rating against?







Unreal the lack of self-awareness here

Get a mirror, man

All in? Not at all; can you show me where I said that?

I simply pointed out the preposterousness of your post. After Justin Fields dropped 28 points on the Broncos, they held:

Patrick Mahomes to 19 points
Patrick Mahomes to 9 points
Josh Allen to 22 points

After, as in weeks after.
Sometimes units improve, for various reasons. Sometimes they catch teams at the right/wrong time. The Bear defense was terrible for 4 games, then noticeably better for the next 6.
Denver gave up more the week before the Bears and more the week after the Bears.

But at least this impressive Denver defense did so well in more recent and less relevant games that they rose their stats up to average (16)? No?
This impressive Denver defense did so well in more recent and less relevant games that they rose their stats up to low average? No?
This impressive Denver defense did so well in more recent and less relevant games that they rose their stats up to poor? No?
This impressive Denver defense did so well in more recent and less relevant games that they rose their stats up 1 spot? No?


Tell me more about how impressive 32nd out of 32 is.

[HurricaneBear]

What I do want from the people that want to move on from JF1 is this, if that happens, kindly and politely shut the fuck up about the new QB for two years. Let's not have another Mitch or Fields where everything is over-analyzed knowing full well it takes rookie QBs a solid 2 years to come to fruition.

This. This soooooo much.

I wish we could start right now and just let Justin play these last 7 games and see how the season finishes. But I know that is asking too much.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Forget JF1 for a moment.

Conceptually speaking at some point we have to go with Good Enough at QB.

The expectation cannot be HOF or Perpetual Search. It's just too expensive to do that.

The cost of that quest are high first round draft picks, an insane offer on a trade deal (you'd have to get lucky that a QB is even available), and always resetting the clock on rebuilding the team.

Back to JF1:

I need to know if we can reasonably build around JF1 to win. Do I see a realistic scenario where we get to the NFC Conference Game or the Super Bowl and not getting there IN SPITE OF JF1. I'm leaning towards that being true, but I have doubts about whether or not his brain is shot from everything the Bears have put him through.

To me, it's exciting as hell to start next season with JF1, an OL consisting of Fashanu, Jenkins and Wright with weapons like Moore, MHJ, Kmet and the RB stable.

But that excitement will be squandered if we keep this Idiot Parade coaching staff. I suspect they'll be gone.

What I do want from the people that want to move on from JF1 is this, if that happens, kindly and politely shut the fuck up about the new QB for two years. Let's not have another Mitch or Fields where everything is over-analyzed knowing full well it takes rookie QBs a solid 2 years to come to fruition.

Completely correct.

Fields has a few years left on his rookie contract - so use it. Deal with the biggest weaknesses, if that’s QB then fine sort that out.
But we have seen from experience, drafting a QB when there are multiple roster holes is just self-defeating. You waste 2-3 years trying to build the roster whilst your QB takes a beating physically and mentally.
You might get lucky with a Mahomes, but he’s not winning the SB every year. The point is it takes more than a great QB, you need luck and you need the rest of the roster to step up.

[southdakbearfan]

Pretty sure every bears fan wants home to succeed. After 2.5 years many have doubts justifiably so.

And some live to attack or defend him regardless.

[Xee]

Pretty sure every bears fan wants home to succeed. After 2.5 years many have doubts justifiably so.

And some live to attack or defend him regardless.

I have yet to see anyone on this board say they want Field to fail but this person, or people, are brought up constantly by others without being named.

[dplank]

I think my boy TMP made a salient point here…execution wise, at some point you have to roll with a guy that’s good enough and you can’t be on an eternal search for the next Tom Brady. It’s hard to hit on that and it costs a lot to keep trying.

IMO Fields just needs to show he can play consistently and we need to build up around him.

[RichH55]

There isn’t a comparison. Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL IMO.

It doesn’t matter if he has scrubs around him, by the end of the year their offense will end up top 10 most likely. That’s just how good he is.

According to some here, top 10 wouldn’t be good enough for Fields. That’s my point.

Who? Name one? It's not really a point if it's fabricated from whole cloth. Did Clarissa Thompson tell you this?





The issue people of my ilk (haters/monsters/realists) - is when people are declaring him Top 10 without even having to actually be Top 10 - Or even in the ballpark of it.

[artbest01]

Fields, to this point in his third season, has yet to have more than 2 games in a row where he’s been productive (by nfl standards) as a passer. He has yet to lead the bears to a win on a final drive in the 4th quarter. He has yet to throw for as much as 2500 yards in a season. He has a lot to prove in this next stretch of games imo before there can be credible discussion of building (more) around him.

Fields play, and the bears draft position, will tell the tale.

I hope he has the game of his life tomorrow

[AZ_Bearfan]

Did Clarissa Thompson tell you this?

I lol'd

[dplank]

Fields played undeniably great today