The Hunting & Fishing Thread
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I saw a ton of Bluegills last night while Diving in Devil's lake (WI). They are spawning, so you can see the males just hovering over a little crater in the ground that they've made as their nest. I was told they can be pretty territorial while guarding their nest, but didn't have any come after me. I usually try not to get too close, though. It was pretty cool to see!
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My daughter and I have been logging some solid fishing time over my days off and the weekends these past few weeks.
Lots of bass, but nothing huge. Numerous perch too. Everything caught on live bait.
We haven't seen a single northern or muskie yet and I've been using suckers from time to time.
The monster carp are out and about but we haven't targeted them.
Lots of bass, but nothing huge. Numerous perch too. Everything caught on live bait.
We haven't seen a single northern or muskie yet and I've been using suckers from time to time.
The monster carp are out and about but we haven't targeted them.

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Bluegills are a blast to catch and great to get a kid started on. We were using a Berkley power strike worm cut down a bit and she could see them swarming it. I caught a huge black crappie a few weeks back, 1 to 1-1/2 pounds on a spinner. TMP, big carp are lots of fun to catch. Chum with corn to draw them, use a moderate sized hook, and put on a slipsinker about 18 inches above the hook with a split shot stopper. Let them have time to suck in the bait, don't set the hook immediately. In still water, we'd leave the reel in an unlocked mode so they could run before we took up slack and set the hook.The Marshall Plan wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:26 pm My daughter and I have been logging some solid fishing time over my days off and the weekends these past few weeks.
Lots of bass, but nothing huge. Numerous perch too. Everything caught on live bait.
We haven't seen a single northern or muskie yet and I've been using suckers from time to time.
The monster carp are out and about but we haven't targeted them.
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Thanks for the info. My kid is dying to catch a carp. On days with good water clarity we see those things that are the size of dogs just swimming and she wants one. We've caught catfish numerous times, but she wants a carp. Every now and then one jumps out of the water and it looks like a submarine emerging.Grizzled wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:51 pmBluegills are a blast to catch and great to get a kid started on. We were using a Berkley power strike worm cut down a bit and she could see them swarming it. I caught a huge black crappie a few weeks back, 1 to 1-1/2 pounds on a spinner. TMP, big carp are lots of fun to catch. Chum with corn to draw them, use a moderate sized hook, and put on a slipsinker about 18 inches above the hook with a split shot stopper. Let them have time to suck in the bait, don't set the hook immediately. In still water, we'd leave the reel in an unlocked mode so they could run before we took up slack and set the hook.The Marshall Plan wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:26 pm My daughter and I have been logging some solid fishing time over my days off and the weekends these past few weeks.
Lots of bass, but nothing huge. Numerous perch too. Everything caught on live bait.
We haven't seen a single northern or muskie yet and I've been using suckers from time to time.
The monster carp are out and about but we haven't targeted them.
Crappie is one of our favorites because they're so rare. We only catch a handful per season whereas the bass are a dime a dozen.

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We used to go to the Fox River just over the border in Wisconsin for carp fishing. Of course, the river was so polluted back then, I don't think too much else could live in it. Had a lot of fun catching many, some big although not atomic submarine size. Great fights in running water. Go for it. You can throw out some bottom rigs and wait for them to bite while you fish for other species also.The Marshall Plan wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:27 pmThanks for the info. My kid is dying to catch a carp. On days with good water clarity we see those things that are the size of dogs just swimming and she wants one. We've caught catfish numerous times, but she wants a carp. Every now and then one jumps out of the water and it looks like a submarine emerging.Grizzled wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:51 pm
Bluegills are a blast to catch and great to get a kid started on. We were using a Berkley power strike worm cut down a bit and she could see them swarming it. I caught a huge black crappie a few weeks back, 1 to 1-1/2 pounds on a spinner. TMP, big carp are lots of fun to catch. Chum with corn to draw them, use a moderate sized hook, and put on a slipsinker about 18 inches above the hook with a split shot stopper. Let them have time to suck in the bait, don't set the hook immediately. In still water, we'd leave the reel in an unlocked mode so they could run before we took up slack and set the hook.
Crappie is one of our favorites because they're so rare. We only catch a handful per season whereas the bass are a dime a dozen.
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Two days ago my pup woke me super early and for a few minutes I got to watch 3 red foxes playing down at the end of my driveway where it ties in with the main county road. They looked to be all the same size, which maybe indicates they were all pups. Today I got a close look at the culvert under my driveway and it looks like they've been denning in there because there are a number of animal bones and leftovers on each end of the culvert in the ditch. The bones (and feathers) are consistent with wild turkeys, which are present in this area..
Last fall I had two mountain lion cubs on my deck for about an hour one morning. I think my new dog has been keeping them away from the house by virtue of her scent, pooping and peeing. I've got a bunch of photos of the cubs and I'll try to get a couple transferred onto Bfo so you guys can see them. It's kinda cool looking a 40 lb lion cub in the eyes from five feet away through your sliding door.
So yesterday I saw 4 or 5 buzzards converge and dive into the trees that are up the ridge from my home. Not too long after that a yearling fawn showed up at my house, totally without its mother - it didn't stay long and I haven't seen it since - it looked like it had a fresh 2" rip in one ear....Hmmmm. I didn't go up the ridge above the house to check out what happened with the buzzard chow because we stay out of there during fawning season to give the deer a bit more important habitat for themselves. Lions gonna lion where there are deer, but at least they aren't turning my deck into the Serengeti anymore.
I guess I'll get up super early tomorrow and try to get a picture of the foxes.
(And yes there was a black bear here a couple years back - sleeping up in a tree right across the road from my driveway.)
Last fall I had two mountain lion cubs on my deck for about an hour one morning. I think my new dog has been keeping them away from the house by virtue of her scent, pooping and peeing. I've got a bunch of photos of the cubs and I'll try to get a couple transferred onto Bfo so you guys can see them. It's kinda cool looking a 40 lb lion cub in the eyes from five feet away through your sliding door.
So yesterday I saw 4 or 5 buzzards converge and dive into the trees that are up the ridge from my home. Not too long after that a yearling fawn showed up at my house, totally without its mother - it didn't stay long and I haven't seen it since - it looked like it had a fresh 2" rip in one ear....Hmmmm. I didn't go up the ridge above the house to check out what happened with the buzzard chow because we stay out of there during fawning season to give the deer a bit more important habitat for themselves. Lions gonna lion where there are deer, but at least they aren't turning my deck into the Serengeti anymore.
I guess I'll get up super early tomorrow and try to get a picture of the foxes.
(And yes there was a black bear here a couple years back - sleeping up in a tree right across the road from my driveway.)
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My wife is a nature photographer and would have a field day at your place - share pics!!
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That is amazing. Thank you for sharing.o-pus #40 in B major wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:15 am Two days ago my pup woke me super early and for a few minutes I got to watch 3 red foxes playing down at the end of my driveway where it ties in with the main county road. They looked to be all the same size, which maybe indicates they were all pups. Today I got a close look at the culvert under my driveway and it looks like they've been denning in there because there are a number of animal bones and leftovers on each end of the culvert in the ditch. The bones (and feathers) are consistent with wild turkeys, which are present in this area..
Last fall I had two mountain lion cubs on my deck for about an hour one morning. I think my new dog has been keeping them away from the house by virtue of her scent, pooping and peeing. I've got a bunch of photos of the cubs and I'll try to get a couple transferred onto Bfo so you guys can see them. It's kinda cool looking a 40 lb lion cub in the eyes from five feet away through your sliding door.
So yesterday I saw 4 or 5 buzzards converge and dive into the trees that are up the ridge from my home. Not too long after that a yearling fawn showed up at my house, totally without its mother - it didn't stay long and I haven't seen it since - it looked like it had a fresh 2" rip in one ear....Hmmmm. I didn't go up the ridge above the house to check out what happened with the buzzard chow because we stay out of there during fawning season to give the deer a bit more important habitat for themselves. Lions gonna lion where there are deer, but at least they aren't turning my deck into the Serengeti anymore.
I guess I'll get up super early tomorrow and try to get a picture of the foxes.
(And yes there was a black bear here a couple years back - sleeping up in a tree right across the road from my driveway.)
Here I thought my fish behavior stories are something.

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It’s been a while since this thread bumped.
Me and my son have been hitting waterfowl and now pheasants. 14 month old lab is awesome.
Won a benelli SBE3, traded it in on a Browning A5 wicked wing as I just don’t like benelli shotguns and how they tend to pattern high. Son loves the A5, I’ll stick with my cynergy and citoris.
Took the boat out for probably the last time, so fishing is done until we get ice.
Me and my son have been hitting waterfowl and now pheasants. 14 month old lab is awesome.
Won a benelli SBE3, traded it in on a Browning A5 wicked wing as I just don’t like benelli shotguns and how they tend to pattern high. Son loves the A5, I’ll stick with my cynergy and citoris.
Took the boat out for probably the last time, so fishing is done until we get ice.
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I love my citori, but I found myself looking at a silver pigeon on Saturday. The A5 is my go-to waterfowl gun though. Belonged to my grandpa.southdakbearfan wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:52 am It’s been a while since this thread bumped.
Me and my son have been hitting waterfowl and now pheasants. 14 month old lab is awesome.
Won a benelli SBE3, traded it in on a Browning A5 wicked wing as I just don’t like benelli shotguns and how they tend to pattern high. Son loves the A5, I’ll stick with my cynergy and citoris.
Took the boat out for probably the last time, so fishing is done until we get ice.
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Since this is a free space and we are all welcome to have our own opinions, my contribution would be to point out that shooting birds for fun is heartless and terrible. Birds are amazing creatures, my wife is an avid bird photographer and I've really grown to admire them and know a lot more about them than I ever cared to before and they are more intelligent and communal than I ever realized. IMO they deserve to live and die naturally, the wild is a brutal enough place without little boys with guns.
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Well it wasn't for "fun". It was/is for food.dplank wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:09 am Since this is a free space and we are all welcome to have our own opinions, my contribution would be to point out that shooting birds for fun is heartless and terrible. Birds are amazing creatures, my wife is an avid bird photographer and I've really grown to admire them and know a lot more about them than I ever cared to before and they are more intelligent and communal than I ever realized. IMO they deserve to live and die naturally, the wild is a brutal enough place without little boys with guns.
That doesn't factor in population control, but I'll just leave it at that.
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I'll drop it so as not to annoy, but is going out and shooting a wild animal really "for food"? Wouldn't the local supermarket have that covered? No, it's for recreation, not food, for 99% of folks that do this. But again, this is JMO and I don't mean to offend - but I should be able to share my thoughts if this stuff is being posted here. I mean...you don't post about going to the grocery store, with pictures of the car you drove and your shopping cart, right? Saying it's about food sustenance is a cop out IMO. There's clearly an entertainment aspect to it, which I just personally find off putting.wab wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:12 amWell it wasn't for "fun". It was/is for food.dplank wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:09 am Since this is a free space and we are all welcome to have our own opinions, my contribution would be to point out that shooting birds for fun is heartless and terrible. Birds are amazing creatures, my wife is an avid bird photographer and I've really grown to admire them and know a lot more about them than I ever cared to before and they are more intelligent and communal than I ever realized. IMO they deserve to live and die naturally, the wild is a brutal enough place without little boys with guns.
That doesn't factor in population control, but I'll just leave it at that.
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Don't mean to offend and then proceed to try and offend.dplank wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:17 amI'll drop it so as not to annoy, but is going out and shooting a wild animal really "for food"? Wouldn't the local supermarket have that covered? No, it's for recreation, not food, for 99% of folks that do this. But again, this is JMO and I don't mean to offend - but I should be able to share my thoughts if this stuff is being posted here. I mean...you don't post about going to the grocery store, with pictures of the car you drove and your shopping cart, right? Saying it's about food sustenance is a cop out IMO. There's clearly an entertainment aspect to it, which I just personally find off putting.wab wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:12 am
Well it wasn't for "fun". It was/is for food.
That doesn't factor in population control, but I'll just leave it at that.
You are more than entitled to your opinion, but the subtle jabs are unnecessary. We can move on though.
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Not sure what you found offensive there, but ok...moving on.wab wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:54 amDon't mean to offend and then proceed to try and offend.dplank wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:17 am
I'll drop it so as not to annoy, but is going out and shooting a wild animal really "for food"? Wouldn't the local supermarket have that covered? No, it's for recreation, not food, for 99% of folks that do this. But again, this is JMO and I don't mean to offend - but I should be able to share my thoughts if this stuff is being posted here. I mean...you don't post about going to the grocery store, with pictures of the car you drove and your shopping cart, right? Saying it's about food sustenance is a cop out IMO. There's clearly an entertainment aspect to it, which I just personally find off putting.
You are more than entitled to your opinion, but the subtle jabs are unnecessary. We can move on though.
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I’ll just put a couple notes here that most who don’t live in or around hunting don’t understand.
We hunt, deer, pheasant, duck, elk, geese, etc. if we shoot it or catch it we eat it. I grew up on an 80-90% wild game diet.
There are birds I no longer hunt as I don’t believe there to be viable populations where I live, like grouse and partridge, due to farming practices changing. There are others that we absolutely cannot shoot enough of, like snow geese. Snow geese, like whitetail deer, have adapted to farming practices like no other animals, the North American snow goose population has went from 3-4,000,000 birds in the late 80’s to a population of 20-24,000,000 now. They are destroying the tundra habitat they nest in, and you know those nice avian influenza outbreaks in poultry farms across the USA, when you notice them why don’t you go look and see where the snow goose migration is at in the fall and spring.
My two cents, I would much rather harvest the meat I eat than go purchase the chemical/steroid/genetically modified meat in the store, but I usually don’t jump into a thread and say it.
Then again I don’t jump in a thread about golfing and talk about my disdain for the water pollution, habitat degradation and excess water usage golf courses cause/create because, well I just am not that way.
Also, before I shut up, if you haven’t worked in a chicken confinement, hog confinement, or beef feeding operation you probably need to be quiet about how humane that meat is at the grocery store as well. Rant over.
We hunt, deer, pheasant, duck, elk, geese, etc. if we shoot it or catch it we eat it. I grew up on an 80-90% wild game diet.
There are birds I no longer hunt as I don’t believe there to be viable populations where I live, like grouse and partridge, due to farming practices changing. There are others that we absolutely cannot shoot enough of, like snow geese. Snow geese, like whitetail deer, have adapted to farming practices like no other animals, the North American snow goose population has went from 3-4,000,000 birds in the late 80’s to a population of 20-24,000,000 now. They are destroying the tundra habitat they nest in, and you know those nice avian influenza outbreaks in poultry farms across the USA, when you notice them why don’t you go look and see where the snow goose migration is at in the fall and spring.
My two cents, I would much rather harvest the meat I eat than go purchase the chemical/steroid/genetically modified meat in the store, but I usually don’t jump into a thread and say it.
Then again I don’t jump in a thread about golfing and talk about my disdain for the water pollution, habitat degradation and excess water usage golf courses cause/create because, well I just am not that way.
Also, before I shut up, if you haven’t worked in a chicken confinement, hog confinement, or beef feeding operation you probably need to be quiet about how humane that meat is at the grocery store as well. Rant over.
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Growing up dirt poor, most of the time if we didn’t hunt, we didn’t eat. I stood in line with my mom for free bread and eggs. I drank powdered milk. Hunting was essential.
There are three types of hunting
Hunting for food
Hunting for conservation
Hunting for sport/trophies
I have been trophy hunting once (for bear in Montana) but we didn’t see one. I didn’t care for it and I don’t necessarily agree with it (although bear meat is food for a lot of folks there, this was for sport). I especially don’t care for the enclosed hunting where it’s rigged against the animal.
The first two though, absolutely.
There are three types of hunting
Hunting for food
Hunting for conservation
Hunting for sport/trophies
I have been trophy hunting once (for bear in Montana) but we didn’t see one. I didn’t care for it and I don’t necessarily agree with it (although bear meat is food for a lot of folks there, this was for sport). I especially don’t care for the enclosed hunting where it’s rigged against the animal.
The first two though, absolutely.
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Fair enough fellas, I have several friends who are avid deer hunters and I have no issues whatsoever and even eat the venison. I understand conservation but would point out that we keep building/shrinking habitat so we are simultaneously causing the problem we then pat ourselves on the back to help fix by culling. And don’t get me started on factory farming or I’ll get banned from the board, just trust me when I say I get it 100%. And yea, trophy hunters have a special place in hell IMO and I would support canned hunting them as punishment.
I just don’t like the glorification aspect of it, which if folks are being honest that element certainly exists. Same with military stuff, I accept the need for it but I hate how we glorify it in society.
I just don’t like the glorification aspect of it, which if folks are being honest that element certainly exists. Same with military stuff, I accept the need for it but I hate how we glorify it in society.
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I shoot deer, wild hog and duck and not an ounce goes to waste. (Side note: if you are hunter and haven't done a hog hunt, you need to) I don't know anyone that hunts and doesn't take home what they kill for food (or give it to others). Yes there is clearly the enjoyment factor of it. But just to say you can go the grocery store and get it is a bit silly IMO. Don't know any grocery stores that carry ducks. And frankly duck with jalapeno, cream cheese and bacon is one of my favorite apps. Even if you could go to store and buy something you know someone else killed that chicken or cow???dplank wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:17 amI'll drop it so as not to annoy, but is going out and shooting a wild animal really "for food"? Wouldn't the local supermarket have that covered? No, it's for recreation, not food, for 99% of folks that do this. But again, this is JMO and I don't mean to offend - but I should be able to share my thoughts if this stuff is being posted here. I mean...you don't post about going to the grocery store, with pictures of the car you drove and your shopping cart, right? Saying it's about food sustenance is a cop out IMO. There's clearly an entertainment aspect to it, which I just personally find off putting.wab wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:12 am
Well it wasn't for "fun". It was/is for food.
That doesn't factor in population control, but I'll just leave it at that.

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You're too late for the troll job bud. I'll just stand by what I meant, which is that if you take enjoyment out of killing another living thing then you're broken as a human. You're other "points" I've already agreed with.
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Honest question, do you feel the same way about fishermen?dplank wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:20 pm You're too late for the troll job bud. I'll just stand by what I meant, which is that if you take enjoyment out of killing another living thing then you're broken as a human.
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We hunt hogs a lot down here in TX. It's like 50% conservation and 50% food source. They are absolute menaces down here and destroy farmland like nothing I've ever seen. You can't eat some of them though...mostly the big ones because the meat can be pretty nasty. I don't deer hunt too often anymore, and waterfowl hunting down here is a chore, so turkey and dove are usually what we do for birds. Smoked dove is really good.Arkansasbear wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:08 pmI shoot deer, wild hog and duck and not an ounce goes to waste. (Side note: if you are hunter and haven't done a hog hunt, you need to) I don't know anyone that hunts and doesn't take home what they kill for food (or give it to others). Yes there is clearly the enjoyment factor of it. But just to say you can go the grocery store and get it is a bit silly IMO. Don't know any grocery stores that carry ducks. And frankly duck with jalapeno, cream cheese and bacon is one of my favorite apps. Even if you could go to store and buy something you know someone else killed that chicken or cow???dplank wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:17 am
I'll drop it so as not to annoy, but is going out and shooting a wild animal really "for food"? Wouldn't the local supermarket have that covered? No, it's for recreation, not food, for 99% of folks that do this. But again, this is JMO and I don't mean to offend - but I should be able to share my thoughts if this stuff is being posted here. I mean...you don't post about going to the grocery store, with pictures of the car you drove and your shopping cart, right? Saying it's about food sustenance is a cop out IMO. There's clearly an entertainment aspect to it, which I just personally find off putting.![]()
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Yes? But I'm guessing you still aren't grasping my point. It's nuanced. I understand why a hunter, or fisherman, might enjoy being outdoors fishing and tracking and all that stuff. Not my bag but no harm in it if you like it. Catch and release is a good thing for example. But there's a very specific part of it, the killing part, that while I understand from a "necessity" stand point I'll never understand from an "enjoyment" stand point. So yes, even fish, if you actually enjoy killing it - literally the killing part - I think you've got some Dahmer issues going on. The hunters I know are good at disassociation, they lump in the all the parts they like with the part that no one should like all in one neat pile so they don't really have to think about what they're doing. The hardest ass, most redneckiest guy I've ever known, finally after weeks of talking about this (he was doing a summer long reno on my house) FINALLY admitted that he does have a some regret right before killing a deer every time he does it and then sorta just blocks his mind out and "does his work" while he processes it. Same guy raised a baby raccoon and loved it dearly. But it took forever to pull it out of him, people are just very defensive about it for some reason and don't take directly to the point that's being made here (see Arks post above, that just gleefully ignored what I was getting at in favor of a scolding of sorts and I happen to know he's smart enough to know what he was doing - and no Ark I'm not upset lol it's all good).wab wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:27 pmHonest question, do you feel the same way about fishermen?dplank wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:20 pm You're too late for the troll job bud. I'll just stand by what I meant, which is that if you take enjoyment out of killing another living thing then you're broken as a human.
There's tons of layers to this for me - down to the specific animal. Killing a rockfish is not the same as killing a whale or Orca or Octupus - the level of intelligence factors for me. Does the animal maintain a family? Do they mourn their losses? If yes, I have a big ol problem there. SeaWorld should not exist. I do not eat pork for this reason (as well as the indescribable conditions most pig farmers employ). If you eat pork you should be comfortable eating a dog, they are the nearly the same. I limit my meat intake significantly and find chicken and fish are the ones that I feel best about consuming, and even still I carry some guilt when I do it. I'm very much in favor of lab grown meat and hope it takes off. It's literally banned here in Florida, because freedom I guess? I could go on and on but have probably already said more than you wanted lol...
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Definitely not more than I wanted. It adds some much needed context to your points, so thank you.dplank wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:09 pmYes? But I'm guessing you still aren't grasping my point. It's nuanced. I understand why a hunter, or fisherman, might enjoy being outdoors fishing and tracking and all that stuff. Not my bag but no harm in it if you like it. Catch and release is a good thing for example. But there's a very specific part of it, the killing part, that while I understand from a "necessity" stand point I'll never understand from an "enjoyment" stand point. So yes, even fish, if you actually enjoy killing it - literally the killing part - I think you've got some Dahmer issues going on. The hunters I know are good at disassociation, they lump in the all the parts they like with the part that no one should like all in one neat pile so they don't really have to think about what they're doing. The hardest ass, most redneckiest guy I've ever known, finally after weeks of talking about this (he was doing a summer long reno on my house) FINALLY admitted that he does have a some regret right before killing a deer every time he does it and then sorta just blocks his mind out and "does his work" while he processes it. Same guy raised a baby raccoon and loved it dearly. But it took forever to pull it out of him, people are just very defensive about it for some reason and don't take directly to the point that's being made here (see Arks post above, that just gleefully ignored what I was getting at in favor of a scolding of sorts and I happen to know he's smart enough to know what he was doing - and no Ark I'm not upset lol it's all good).
There's tons of layers to this for me - down to the specific animal. Killing a rockfish is not the same as killing a whale or Orca or Octupus - the level of intelligence factors for me. Does the animal maintain a family? Do they mourn their losses? If yes, I have a big ol problem there. SeaWorld should not exist. I do not eat pork for this reason (as well as the indescribable conditions most pig farmers employ). If you eat pork you should be comfortable eating a dog, they are the nearly the same. I limit my meat intake significantly and find chicken and fish are the ones that I feel best about consuming, and even still I carry some guilt when I do it. I'm very much in favor of lab grown meat and hope it takes off. It's literally banned here in Florida, because freedom I guess? I could go on and on but have probably already said more than you wanted lol...
To add: I definitely don’t “feel good” about doing it. It’s not like there is this swell of joy or happiness when I hunt/harvest an animal. It’s sort of mechanical I guess? I don’t know if that helps or makes it worse though. You do sort of tune it out/compartmentalize it.
Anywho, I do appreciate your perspective. Killing for “joy” is indeed weird, and I don’t know hunters that just do it gleefully (at least none in my circle of hunting). Everyone I know respects wildlife and the animals they take. And most are actually incredibly environmentally conscious.
About the only emotion I can attribute to it is maybe a sense of pride? Probably not even the right word for it, but whatever the emotion is that comes with knowing you are putting food on the table - whether it’s hunting or fishing or even farming.
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Fair enough, I get what you're saying here and I think we agree for the most part. 99% of my issues are with trophy hunting types, who should just be shot on sight IMO as they are just broken soulless fucks. The lesser side, call it more annoyance or whatever, is when hunters post their grinning mugs while standing next to a dead deer. I do get it's mostly pride and I understand that, but what I see when I see those pictures is a precious creature that just got shot for someone else's satisfaction.
Appreciate the frank and fair conversation - kudos!!
Appreciate the frank and fair conversation - kudos!!
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I was going to say on your hunting topic.... unless you do it or grow up doing it you probably can't understand. I grew up on a farm. We were super proud to bring family and friends our farm raised meat. Not so much eggs as at that time people looked down on brown eggs, funny how things change. There is an accomplishment, pride, (other words i can't think of) attached to providing food directly to your family. The first steer i raised, essentially from a bottle, named "Mr Moo" was also the best beef you had ever eaten. (Most people think that's sick to name your food but life is different when you realize where it comes from) The same goes for hunting. I personally think that pride is inherent and deep in our pshyche. Modern people rarely experience it.dplank wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:16 am I just don’t like the glorification aspect of it, which if folks are being honest that element certainly exists. Same with military stuff, I accept the need for it but I hate how we glorify it in society.
The area a lot of people do get a glimpse into it is fishing. I've seen kids and adults, all get extremely excited at a big fish on the line. From urban to rural. That piece of pride is in them, they just don't get to explore much. Personally I've never really bird hunter. I don't get the draw, but I know if i didit, i would.
Now on to the quoted portion? You hate the glorification of the military? What are you talking about? Now I was in the Army and went to Iraq and Afghanistan. I've seen the dumbest people i have ever met and perhaps the most selfless. I personally im not a fan of "thanks for your sevice" because I didn't do much. I'm also not a guy that is willing to go get VA disability like most because I feel like it's stealing from those that deserve it and the tax payer.
All that said... I am completely not a guy who agrees whole heartedly with the Military. Yet there are some amazing things those Soldiers have done and will do. Your statement without context sounds super dumb. So please add context.
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I come from a military family so you can spare the lecture bud. I went the other way and went to college but that’s rare in my family. My reasons probably aren’t appropriate discussion because they would be seen as political, can PM instead
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I have one question, do you eat meat?dplank wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:20 pm You're too late for the troll job bud. I'll just stand by what I meant, which is that if you take enjoyment out of killing another living thing then you're broken as a human. You're other "points" I've already agreed with.
And I will not make another comment further regardless the answer.
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My response is clearly not a lecture. I look forward to your message.dplank wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:14 pm I come from a military family so you can spare the lecture bud. I went the other way and went to college but that’s rare in my family. My reasons probably aren’t appropriate discussion because they would be seen as political, can PM instead