Deshaun Watson

[Rusty Trombagent]

[southdakbearfan]

What’s the cap hit if his contract is terminated for cause?

[LacertineForest]

According to Sportrac they have -43 million cap space for 2025, they currently have 43 million in cap space left this year. If they carry over their excess, they'll have 0 money for next year.

I haven't looked at their roster, but that might be a good trade-deadline target if they have a good OL with a big salary in the next couple of years.

[Rusty Trombagent]

[wab]

According to Sportrac they have -43 million cap space for 2025, they currently have 43 million in cap space left this year. If they carry over their excess, they'll have 0 money for next year.

I haven't looked at their roster, but that might be a good trade-deadline target if they have a good OL with a big salary in the next couple of years.

Wyatt Teller please and thanks.

[malk]

I haven't looked at their roster, but that might be a good trade-deadline target if they have a good OL with a big salary in the next couple of years.

Wyatt Teller please and thanks.

They'd lose more cap by trading him lol. The Browns actually are a terribly run organisation!

[dplank]

The Browns are completely effed...I think their only out at this point would be to try and trade Watson (not sure who would even want him) and eat half or more of his cost so a team could actually take him on. But even at half price, I'm not sure anyone would want him.

[southdakbearfan]

The Browns are completely effed...I think their only out at this point would be to try and trade Watson (not sure who would even want him) and eat half or more of his cost so a team could actually take him on. But even at half price, I'm not sure anyone would want him.

Or, he has done or does something worthy of voiding the contract.

[RichH55]

Both are Elite at what they do though.....

[Rusty Trombagent]

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Elite

[RichH55]

Elite

I can't believe they had Danny Trejo play him in the movie

[LacertineForest]

[Rusty Trombagent]

[Grizzled]

Possible ACL injury in today's game. Might be the last we see of him as a starter in Cleveland.

[dplank]

May go down as the worst contract in NFL history

[wab]

The Browns apparently have injury insurance on Watson that will give them a bunch of cap relief, so it's entirely possible Watson never plays another down in the NFL.

Probably going to cost Stefanski his job. Which is too bad, because I think he's a good coach.

[dplank]

The Browns apparently have injury insurance on Watson that will give them a bunch of cap relief, so it's entirely possible Watson never plays another down in the NFL.

Probably going to cost Stefanski his job. Which is too bad, because I think he's a good coach.

Super interesting, got any details or a link on that?

[UOK]

Easily the worst overall transaction in sports history.

[wab]

The Browns apparently have injury insurance on Watson that will give them a bunch of cap relief, so it's entirely possible Watson never plays another down in the NFL.

Probably going to cost Stefanski his job. Which is too bad, because I think he's a good coach.

Super interesting, got any details or a link on that?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/a- ... ngNewsSerp

https://brobible.com/sports/article/des ... nd-browns/

In the second link, it sounds like the Browns will recoup 25% of his salary if the policy pays out in full.

[dplank]

Wild, I knew teams had insurance policies but I had no idea that the league would give cap credit for the amount received by that policy should it be needed. This is a really big deal IMO. A big part of why guaranteed contracts aren't frequent is due to the injury concern, but if teams can offset the cost and more importantly the cap space with an insurance policy, then why wouldn't they do this all the time?

Also, I wonder if the price of the insurance policy is added to the cap hit on the player? If they get the cap relief when it's utilized, then shouldn't they be taking a cap hit for the cost to hold the insurance?

Thanks for sharing this!

[Otis Day]

The guy should ride off into the sunset to some obscure place to never be heard from again. I believe he has the cash to never be heard from again.

Absolutely stupid contract a stupid team gave him.

[Rusty Trombagent]

Wild, I knew teams had insurance policies but I had no idea that the league would give cap credit for the amount received by that policy should it be needed. This is a really big deal IMO. A big part of why guaranteed contracts aren't frequent is due to the injury concern, but if teams can offset the cost and more importantly the cap space with an insurance policy, then why wouldn't they do this all the time?

Also, I wonder if the price of the insurance policy is added to the cap hit on the player? If they get the cap relief when it's utilized, then shouldn't they be taking a cap hit for the cost to hold the insurance?

Thanks for sharing this!

A little bit of discussion about it here (as well as a link to Kalyn's original article on it):

viewtopic.php?p=393318&hilit=kalyn#p393318

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Watson will miss rest of 2024 season after tests confirmed a ruptured Achilles. He'll have surgery this week and is expected to make a full recovery, per the Browns.

[dplank]

Watson will miss rest of 2024 season after tests confirmed a ruptured Achilles. He'll have surgery this week and is expected to make a full recovery, per the Browns.

Browns are going to send Tanya Harding to his house for one of his rehab massages...

[Arkansasbear]

The guy should ride off into the sunset to some obscure place to never be heard from again. I believe he has the cash to never be heard from again.

Absolutely stupid contract a stupid team gave him.

Oh he’d be heard from again. New lawsuits would still be popping up.

[RichH55]

Wild, I knew teams had insurance policies but I had no idea that the league would give cap credit for the amount received by that policy should it be needed. This is a really big deal IMO. A big part of why guaranteed contracts aren't frequent is due to the injury concern, but if teams can offset the cost and more importantly the cap space with an insurance policy, then why wouldn't they do this all the time?

Also, I wonder if the price of the insurance policy is added to the cap hit on the player? If they get the cap relief when it's utilized, then shouldn't they be taking a cap hit for the cost to hold the insurance?

Thanks for sharing this!

There is a whole thread on this

[RichH55]

The guy should ride off into the sunset to some obscure place to never be heard from again. I believe he has the cash to never be heard from again.

Absolutely stupid contract a stupid team gave him.

Oh he’d be heard from again. New lawsuits would still be popping up.

Thats best case for the Browns actually - His contract is borderline Transactional Immunity Ark!

Like the Browns had the gall to say - ok, so we can live with like 23 Sexual Assaults- just make em go away. But that's it right?!!! You gotta tell us - We draw the Line at 24 or 25. That's just too many

Way more permissive as an organization than Dick Van Patten

[HisRoyalSweetness]

The regret the Browns must have in giving Watson that fully guaranteed contract just keeps increasing:

Browns QB Deshaun Watson ruptured Achilles again, could miss 2025 season after latest surgery

Deshaun Watson didn't just suffer a setback in his rehab. He suffered a re-tear that could knock him out another entire season.

The Cleveland Browns quarterback ruptured his right Achilles again, further testing showed, and he had another surgery on Thursday to repair it, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Friday, per sources informed of the situation.

The re-rupture comes less than three months after the original tear, and now Watson faces a longer road back. He could miss the entire 2025 season, per Rapoport.

Cleveland later confirmed Watson's re-injury and surgery.

"Earlier this week, when Watson reported to the CrossCountry Mortgage Campus for his exit physical as part of the Browns' season-ending process, he complained of discomfort after rolling his ankle in Miami. MRI results demonstrated a re-rupture to his Achilles tendon," the Browns said in a statement. "Dr. Bob Anderson, a foot and ankle specialist in Charlotte, NC, performed both surgeries. Watson's recovery time and return to play status is uncertain, and he will likely miss significant time during the 2025 season."
...

The new surgery restarts Watson's timeline, and even if he can come back at some point in 2025, the question is how the already struggling quarterback would perform after the dual Achilles injuries. We saw both Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers lack mobility at times after their returns from Achilles injuries in 2024.

Full article: https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-qb-desh ... on-surgery

[RichH55]

The regret the Browns must have in giving Watson that fully guaranteed contract just keeps increasing:

Browns QB Deshaun Watson ruptured Achilles again, could miss 2025 season after latest surgery

Deshaun Watson didn't just suffer a setback in his rehab. He suffered a re-tear that could knock him out another entire season.

The Cleveland Browns quarterback ruptured his right Achilles again, further testing showed, and he had another surgery on Thursday to repair it, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Friday, per sources informed of the situation.

The re-rupture comes less than three months after the original tear, and now Watson faces a longer road back. He could miss the entire 2025 season, per Rapoport.

Cleveland later confirmed Watson's re-injury and surgery.

"Earlier this week, when Watson reported to the CrossCountry Mortgage Campus for his exit physical as part of the Browns' season-ending process, he complained of discomfort after rolling his ankle in Miami. MRI results demonstrated a re-rupture to his Achilles tendon," the Browns said in a statement. "Dr. Bob Anderson, a foot and ankle specialist in Charlotte, NC, performed both surgeries. Watson's recovery time and return to play status is uncertain, and he will likely miss significant time during the 2025 season."
...

The new surgery restarts Watson's timeline, and even if he can come back at some point in 2025, the question is how the already struggling quarterback would perform after the dual Achilles injuries. We saw both Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers lack mobility at times after their returns from Achilles injuries in 2024.

Full article: https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-qb-desh ... on-surgery

This is fantastic news for the Browns

Maximizes their Cap Savings under Insurance