wab wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:24 pm
Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:28 pm
I just wanted to say that having argued with DP over Ray Lewis and lost (about Lewis' speed when he came into the league), I can guarantee that in no way, shape, or form was DP comparing how good Roquan is in reference to how good Lewis was. DP holds Lewis on more than a bit of a pedestal. No way would he do that. I'm sure he was more comparing their styles rather than actual on field performance.
This is one of Rich's favorite Troll strawman techniques. It's like I once said that David Montgomery's running style, his take no prisoner/never die easy, style reminds me a lot of Walter Payton. Rich immediately jumps on me for comparing him to Payton. Said I can't do that. I reaffirmed that I was comparing their on field performance (Walter is one of my three childhood heroes). Of course, Rich wouldn't let it go, like the troll he is. You know who he compared Monty to? Matt Forte. lol You know, the guy who could be tackled by a shoelace, but was extremely fast. Again, I say that Montgomery is much closer to Walter in style than Forte. And that's not to say that he's EITHER of them. Just that his STYLE is very similar to Walter's.
So yeah, I can see Rich's ridiculous strawman is occurring once again with DP. He has NO point. Only stupid ass, disingenuous trolling.
I remember once when IE was on board with trading Olson. I was not.
We disagreed.
We don’t bring it up to each other 11 years later.
Everyone should do that.
Probably because I admitted in hindsight & seeing what he became I was wrong to have supported the trade. Obviously. I do believe my rationale at the time was reasonable. It just didn't work out the way I thought and hoped, as part of a top NFL offense under Martz. Good for Olsen that it worked out well for him - he's a good dude.
On Roquan the way I'm coping with losing a young and elite player is by focusing on replacement level and relative value of the position.
It is apt that you brought up the Olsen situation, wab - because I see them as similar in that both cases involve a good player being perceived by a new organization as less valuable than many may assume or believe, based on the position they play (how the system values that role). In that sense the current rationale seems reasonable and Roquan playing LB at that price is not a fit in the new regime's vision of what they need to do an how they need to allocate resources to be successful. They're analytics focused. It may well be that they dont' want to pay $200K per solo tackle. It would not be logical to conclude "Olsen didn't work therefore Smith won't either". Whether it works out is TBD.
In the meantime, I'm on board with the plan - I see them following it consistently and deliberately, and in ways that matter it appears to be working in my view. Therefore, "A" grades at the end of the first season here. I fully understand why others who are not on board with the plan feel more comfortable in picking out undesirable parts or minimizing the value of near-term good things (including getting that first pick). I just can't criticize something I know is part of a plan I claim to like. I don't get to pick out parts of someone else's plan and change them - because then it would become my plan & I don't perceive myself to be a peer of an NFL GM.
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