Looks like Noots got the score close, just the wrong teams.
Fields is getting beat up physically and psychologically. The losses have to be getting to him.
Week 11 // Bears (3-7) @ Falcons (4-6)
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Pretty sure that greatness is leaving Atlanta on a stretcher today.IE wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:12 pmYeah... consistently applying old models to a new reality, not truly understanding the uniqueness of greatness, and poking fun at other more sensible people for recognizing and factoring context into their take.thunderspirit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:53 pm
It's a swipe, and not at all weird — Rustin has been very clear in his criticism of JF; and while I disagree, at least he's consistent.
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FYI, it was not two designed runs in a row. On second down he bailed almost instantly on a pass play.
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It seemed everyone was waiting for the flag to get thrown but nope, hitting a QB who's already down is apparently fine.The Marshall Plan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:06 pmYet if the refs call the late / illegal hit on the defender when JF1 slid late in the 4th, we're having a different outcome.
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Designed QB run after designed QB run.
Complete insanity. Yes, Flus--yes, Getsy; you have a crazy physical specimen at the QB position. But...guess what? That doesn't mean that y'all are able to reinvent the game. Sorry to inform y'all of that...but it simply doesn't work that way.
So, you do a designed QB run, and the QB (and, arguably, the franchise?) gets hurt on it? You then turn around and call ANOTHER designed QB run?
THIS. BULLSHIT. NEEDS. TO. STOP.
NOW!!!
The best part of this nonsense? The passing game had a kind of spark it hasn't had all year. Just classic stupidity by Getsy.
Good lord...
Complete insanity. Yes, Flus--yes, Getsy; you have a crazy physical specimen at the QB position. But...guess what? That doesn't mean that y'all are able to reinvent the game. Sorry to inform y'all of that...but it simply doesn't work that way.
So, you do a designed QB run, and the QB (and, arguably, the franchise?) gets hurt on it? You then turn around and call ANOTHER designed QB run?
THIS. BULLSHIT. NEEDS. TO. STOP.
NOW!!!
The best part of this nonsense? The passing game had a kind of spark it hasn't had all year. Just classic stupidity by Getsy.
Good lord...
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Nope.RustinFields wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:10 pm FYI, it was not two designed runs in a row. On second down he bailed almost instantly on a pass play.
Blockers were out in front of him instantly. It was another designed play.
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I'm not saying he doesnt have an NFL career ahead of him, but man Ebner offers this team absolutely nothing right now.
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Getsy's pass play calling is a great mystery. JF needs to work on the passing game so he calls only 21 passes all game? He continues to call running plays late in the game when the Bears are down? C'mon already.
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I know. I was yelling for a flag. On the replay it looked like it might have been helmet to helmet. But no need to show another angle or discuss further. Nothing to see here.Xee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:10 pmIt seemed everyone was waiting for the flag to get thrown but nope, hitting a QB who's already down is apparently fine.The Marshall Plan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:06 pmYet if the refs call the late / illegal hit on the defender when JF1 slid late in the 4th, we're having a different outcome.
Mikefive's theory: The only time you KNOW that a sports team player, coach or management member is being 100% honest is when they're NOT reciting "the company line".
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LOL, we're all angry right now, but let's not get too hasty here.
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Bears had 3 timeouts and their most effective weapon is Justin running. EVERYONE has been praising the QB runs nonstop for the last 2 weeks.
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Not his best game. I would agree Getsy needs to find better balance. I'm fully in favor of a solid run element to Fields game, but he's going too far.
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Difficult to generate a solid running attack with the jamokes they have had to assemble on the OL. Tough to get a downfield passing game when you don't have time to throw it.
Those play calls at the end of the game were almost McNagus-like: I KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL AND I'M MAKING THE CALLS.
Those play calls at the end of the game were almost McNagus-like: I KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL AND I'M MAKING THE CALLS.
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In those games he was not injured. It was evident something was wrong late in the game today and he still ran him at the end.RustinFields wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:21 pm Bears had 3 timeouts and their most effective weapon is Justin running. EVERYONE has been praising the QB runs nonstop for the last 2 weeks.
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Flus layed into Jaylon Johnson last week for playing when he was probably too injured to be effective. I guarantee you the staff asked Fields if he could still run and he said yes.Otis Day wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:35 pmIn those games he was not injured. It was evident something was wrong late in the game today and he still ran him at the end.RustinFields wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:21 pm Bears had 3 timeouts and their most effective weapon is Justin running. EVERYONE has been praising the QB runs nonstop for the last 2 weeks.
Falcons were sitting back in zone, rushing four and keeping contain for the most part. Teams are going to be doing this to him for the rest of the season because he will not, from the pocket, throw to a receiver who's anywhere near a defender. Getsy was just trying to win the game, and there's a very good chance he could have caught the falcons sleeping playing the pass on that first down run.
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I really think the issue is that in a way they have no choice. Trying to run a "normal" offense with a "normal" distribution of passing plays will get Fields killed in a different way - they will sack him 50% of the time. The Bears only really have 3 choices with the abysmal Offensive line and receiving corps they have:
1. "Normal" offensive play calling - Field will be killed because the O line can't protect Fields if the other team knows he's not a running threat.
2. Heavy "normal" running game (RBs get the runs, not Fields) - we'll score almost no points and Fields won't gain experience, but he'll live.
3. What we've done the last several weeks - we'll move the ball and score points, but Fields is put at risk and still isn't learning (through mistakes) the NFL passing game.
Said differently, the QB run-heavy plans we've run the last several weeks have been fun to watch, but they're unsustainable if you want to keep Fields healthy. Flus and Getsy need to knock this crap off...
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This is 100% the issue!RustinFields wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:44 pmFlus layed into Jaylon Johnson last week for playing when he was probably too injured to be effective. I guarantee you the staff asked Fields if he could still run and he said yes.
Falcons were sitting back in zone, rushing four and keeping contain for the most part. Teams are going to be doing this to him for the rest of the season because he will not, from the pocket, throw to a receiver who's anywhere near a defender. Getsy was just trying to win the game, and there's a very good chance he could have caught the falcons sleeping playing the pass on that first down run.
They need to stop trying to win and just commit to developing Fields for the rest of the year, assuming he's not on his way to IR with a shoulder injury. The message from here on out should be, "Justin... THROW THE DAMNED BALL. EVERY PLAY. Anticipate your receiver's routes and throw when you think they'r about to break open. I don't care how many INTs you throw THIS YEAR - they DO NOT MATTER. Get it out of your system NOW and see what you need to see so you LEARN how to avoid it NEXT YEAR."
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Pass protection has been putrid all year. And we really miss Teven Jenkins IMO.
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To focus on the bright side....
For the past handful of games, including this one, JF1 has been the best player on the football field.
For the past handful of games, including this one, JF1 has been the best player on the football field.
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If by everyone you mean some of the folks in the football media...then you're right.RustinFields wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:21 pm Bears had 3 timeouts and their most effective weapon is Justin running. EVERYONE has been praising the QB runs nonstop for the last 2 weeks.
If by "everyone" you mean all of us here...you're dead wrong.
This bullshit is NOT sustainable. And I've maintained that all along.
Jenkins was back today. Pass protection wasn't bad at all.
The passing game looked the best it has all year. That 32 yard strike to Montgomery was a thing of beauty. Fields motioning Kmet out along the flat, then throwing a perfect strike to the RB down the field. along the sideline. Spectacular.
But no...gotta keep runnin' Fields...'cause we're gonna reinvent the game. Or some shit...
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Jenkins was dressed but didn't play. Eberflus said at his presser after the game that Jenkins had told him that he was still hurt but could be a backup in case someone went down. Not sure what to make of that. Is that an unwillingness to play from Jenkins or an admission that he knew he would struggle (like Jaylon Johnson did last week) and him simply being honest with his coach?
Either way, Jenkins was missed. Schofield really struggled.
There's no consistency with the O-line. One minute they're giving Fields a ton of time and the next they're being overwhelmed off the snap.
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I guess I dont know what else you think they should do? They're building his confidence and giving him 20 passes a game. If you abandon the run game and give him 40 passes, right now we are going to get him embarassed, and our OL might get him killed.grendel2000 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:28 pmThis is 100% the issue!RustinFields wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:44 pm
Flus layed into Jaylon Johnson last week for playing when he was probably too injured to be effective. I guarantee you the staff asked Fields if he could still run and he said yes.
Falcons were sitting back in zone, rushing four and keeping contain for the most part. Teams are going to be doing this to him for the rest of the season because he will not, from the pocket, throw to a receiver who's anywhere near a defender. Getsy was just trying to win the game, and there's a very good chance he could have caught the falcons sleeping playing the pass on that first down run.
They need to stop trying to win and just commit to developing Fields for the rest of the year, assuming he's not on his way to IR with a shoulder injury. The message from here on out should be, "Justin... THROW THE DAMNED BALL. EVERY PLAY. Anticipate your receiver's routes and throw when you think they'r about to break open. I don't care how many INTs you throw THIS YEAR - they DO NOT MATTER. Get it out of your system NOW and see what you need to see so you LEARN how to avoid it NEXT YEAR."
That isnt how the NFL works! No one on that team wants to lose a precious year of their careers. If they believe the team is effectively tanking with their eye on next season and developing one guy, then they're gonna lose the locker room and some coaches might lose their jobs.
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I thought he was out there, at the start, at least.HisRoyalSweetness wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:11 pmJenkins was dressed but didn't play. Eberflus said at his presser after the game that Jenkins had told him that he was still hurt but could be a backup in case someone went down. Not sure what to make of that. Is that an unwillingness to play from Jenkins or an admission that he knew he would struggle (like Jaylon Johnson did last week) and him simply being honest with his coach?
Either way, Jenkins was missed. Schofield really struggled.
There's no consistency with the O-line. One minute they're giving Fields a ton of time and the next they're being overwhelmed off the snap.
My apologies. My bad.
I agree about the inconsistent OL. But that doesn't mean you call that many designed runs for Fields...especially after he is clearly hurt. (And to be clear, I realize you're not advocating that, either...)
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