Another Disappointing Bulls Season

Grizzled · Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:07 am

2 victories over top teams Boston, Milwaukee, and Miami. Then absolutely abysmal losses to the worst teams in the league. Time to blow this mess up and start over, which isn't looking good for the GM and coach, who they just re-upped.

The Marshall Plan · Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:06 pm

Reinsdorf and Krause fucked that franchise but good.

More than 25 years since the Jordan Era. Nothing to show for it.

The Bulls should've been a magnet to every talent out there but the reputation got out after that POS Krause broke up the team. Then it was the way they did it.

How many failed attempts at a rebuild?

Curry and Chandler
Baby Bulls
D-Rose
Then last year.

This is another team, like the Bears, that'll only succeed out of pure luck until new ownership is in place.

Grizzled · Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:41 pm

The Marshall Plan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:06 pm Reinsdorf and Krause fucked that franchise but good.

More than 25 years since the Jordan Era. Nothing to show for it.

The Bulls should've been a magnet to every talent out there but the reputation got out after that POS Krause broke up the team. Then it was the way they did it.

How many failed attempts at a rebuild?

Curry and Chandler
Baby Bulls
D-Rose
Then last year.

This is another team, like the Bears, that'll only succeed out of pure luck until new ownership is in place.

Yeah, I think, just like the 'Hawks didn't find success under the old man, the Bulls need a new owner. Just not Elon Musk ....

Otis Day · Sun Jan 01, 2023 11:11 pm

The makeup of this team is just kind of strange. The 2 alphas just don't seem to jive together. Does the absence of Ball hurt them that much? Levine and DeRozan seem to be allergic to defense. Vuc is just too inconsistent as is Williams.

Grizzled · Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:56 am

This team can't defend nor rebound. The coaching isn't cutting it. Major changes needed, maybe the dreaded teardown and rebuild. If so, I don't know if the current management will survive.

Grizzled · Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:11 pm

Trade deadline Feb. 9. Any pools on how many guys get dealt? I'm voting for 'alot' but didn't they do a rebuild 2 years ago?

Otis Day · Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:00 pm

Yes, they have been in a rebuild. They can get rid of LaVine and that might be addition by subtraction. maybe that will open up things a little for Williams and if LaVine can bring in a mid range scorer I think that would help. Let DeMar be the alpha.

karhu · Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:06 am

I wonder if we'll get much back for LaVine, but yeah--just getting him off the roster should improve things. I don't hate him, but he's the least aware "star" I've ever seen. Every time he gets the ball, it feels like the offense takes a microsecond's little intermission before Act II: The LaVining. And that's the good part. Kids might be reading this, so I won't comment on his defense.

Turns out the most important player in that whole rebuild is the one who might never play again. Put that on AKME's gravestone.

Grizzled · Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:59 am

The Bulls along with the Cavs were the only teams to make no moves at the trade deadline. So much for this team this year. If by some miracle they make the playoffs, it will be a quick one-and-done.

karhu · Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:57 pm

It's amazing how Jerry Reinsdorf turns executives into clones of each other. Karnisovas and Kenny Williams grew up seven years and 6,000 miles from each other, but as team execs they're twins.

Grizzled · Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:45 pm

Not Bulls related but I liked this. LeBron sat out the game Saturday night with an ankle injury, on the bench in street clothes and sat next to a fan, who reacts as one would expect:

Grizzled · Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:45 am

Lorenzo Ball has been officially shut down for the rest of the year. Wonder if they'll cut him in the offseason. I had my right knee scoped, also with what was thought to be a minor meniscus tear, it was 3 years before the knee felt normal again.

Moriarty · Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:27 am

Grizzled wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:45 am Lorenzo Ball has been officially shut down for the rest of the year. Wonder if they'll cut him in the offseason. I had my right knee scoped, also with what was thought to be a minor meniscus tear, it was 3 years before the knee felt normal again.

Was there a new diagnosis?

Grizzled · Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:16 pm

Moriarty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:27 am
Grizzled wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:45 am Lorenzo Ball has been officially shut down for the rest of the year. Wonder if they'll cut him in the offseason. I had my right knee scoped, also with what was thought to be a minor meniscus tear, it was 3 years before the knee felt normal again.
Was there a new diagnosis?

No, he just has no mobility, can't run, cut, etc.

Moriarty · Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:35 pm

Grizzled wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:16 pm
Moriarty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:27 am

Was there a new diagnosis?
No, he just has no mobility, can't run, cut, etc.

I meant yours

Grizzled · Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:15 pm

Moriarty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:35 pm
Grizzled wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:16 pm

No, he just has no mobility, can't run, cut, etc.

I meant yours

Mine was back in '96. Afterwards, the surgeon said he took out more meniscus than originally thought to be necessary once he got in there and also cleaned up some "floaters". He wasn't the most communicative guy, I just waited it out.

Grizzled · Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:35 am

Another season, pretty much a flop. The GM says no tear down and rebuild so I'm not sure what the team can realistically do to improve. Try to sign some bargain basement 3 point shooters? Actually sign a real point guard? I think Vuke's a free agent, is there really a reason to re-sign him? Can they give Ball some kind of injury settlement, it's already been announced that he's not going to play in '24 and I doubt he has any future. Trade DeRozan to a contender for a high draft pick? Trade Levine? Signing him was nothing but a mistake. He's a #2 at best, inconsistent, a non-factor on defense. Hell, trade Patrick Williams, that vaunted potential is still somewhere out there, hasn't developed yet. '24 is shaping up already to be another yawner.

Otis Day · Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am

Frustrating team for sure. Outside of Caruso and Ayo, no one cares to play D. Too much one on one bullshit. I guess that can fall back on Donovan. No shooters. Everybody wants theirs and this is what you end up with.

Grizzled · Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:17 pm

Otis Day wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am Frustrating team for sure. Outside of Caruso and Ayo, no one cares to play D. Too much one on one bullshit. I guess that can fall back on Donovan. No shooters. Everybody wants theirs and this is what you end up with.

Just like they're locked into many of the players, they re-upped Donovan before this season started so not much hope for next year at all.

karhu · Thu May 25, 2023 8:23 pm

Meanwhile, your Chicago Mulligans:

PG: Ty Halliburton
SG: Jimmy Butler
SF: Franz Wagner
PF: Lauri Markkanen
C: Wendell Carter

thunderspirit · Fri May 26, 2023 6:36 am

Passing over Haliburton still makes me shake my head. Damn, I loved him in the 2020 draft. And peddling Carter Jr for Vuvecic was always just asinine.

Trading Butler for essentially LaVine is almost excusable. I love JB but they hadn't built anything around him (their fault, not his) so it was trying to reset. I don't agree with it but I get it. And I have zero problem with losing Markkanen.

More bad than good, though. And always, always cheaping out. Just like every Reinsforf team. Sigh.

The Marshall Plan · Tue May 30, 2023 4:20 am

Jimmy Butler was named the ECF MVP.

Good thing we traded that guy.

Grizzled · Tue May 30, 2023 11:40 am

Butler and the Bulls just couldn't co-exist anymore. His ego was out of control, he wouldn't play with other team mates. Unfortunately, the Bulls didn't have a strong enough GM and Head Coach to tell him he was going to play with the team. Miami has those guys (Riley and Spolstra) and Butler just plays his ass off for them.

The Marshall Plan · Tue May 30, 2023 3:20 pm

Why anybody supports a Reinsdorf owned team is beyond me.

The guy backed into Michael Jordan who was the real reason behind the six titles.

What exactly does Reinsdorf have to show for owning two sports team for something like seventy combined years?

Seventy combined years of ownership. The Sox have one World Series. The Bulls wouldn’t have had shit without Jordan.

Reinsdorf is just a disaster.

dplank · Tue May 30, 2023 10:47 pm

Try being a Wizards fan fellas….just a brutally bad franchise

karhu · Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:03 am

Grizzled wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:40 am Butler and the Bulls just couldn't co-exist anymore. His ego was out of control, he wouldn't play with other team mates. Unfortunately, the Bulls didn't have a strong enough GM and Head Coach to tell him he was going to play with the team. Miami has those guys (Riley and Spolstra) and Butler just plays his ass off for them.

His coach was Fred Hoiberg. For two years. Getting out wasn't evidence of an ego run amok; it was the only rational choice for a sane man. He played his ass off for us, too. But for a completely lost coach.

Grizzled · Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:36 am

karhu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:03 am
Grizzled wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:40 am Butler and the Bulls just couldn't co-exist anymore. His ego was out of control, he wouldn't play with other team mates. Unfortunately, the Bulls didn't have a strong enough GM and Head Coach to tell him he was going to play with the team. Miami has those guys (Riley and Spolstra) and Butler just plays his ass off for them.
His coach was Fred Hoiberg. For two years. Getting out wasn't evidence of an ego run amok; it was the only rational choice for a sane man. He played his ass off for us, too. But for a completely lost coach.

Agree on all counts. Big mistake getting rid of him but the team with GarPax down to the coach was out of kilter. I don't know how much better it is today. Personally I think they should strip it down and rebuild but the GM says 'no'.

karhu · Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:53 am

Grizzled wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:36 am
karhu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:03 am

His coach was Fred Hoiberg. For two years. Getting out wasn't evidence of an ego run amok; it was the only rational choice for a sane man. He played his ass off for us, too. But for a completely lost coach.
Agree on all counts. Big mistake getting rid of him but the team with GarPax down to the coach was out of kilter. I don't know how much better it is today. Personally I think they should strip it down and rebuild but the GM says 'no'.

And here we are making a DPE request a week too late to let us do anything in FA besides a couple of run-it-back moves and a decent addition of a guy five years too late. Maybe we're trying to get in on the Lillard trade as a facilitator? But...so what?

Grizzled · Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:01 am

karhu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:53 am
Grizzled wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:36 am

Agree on all counts. Big mistake getting rid of him but the team with GarPax down to the coach was out of kilter. I don't know how much better it is today. Personally I think they should strip it down and rebuild but the GM says 'no'.
And here we are making a DPE request a week too late to let us do anything in FA besides a couple of run-it-back moves and a decent addition of a guy five years too late. Maybe we're trying to get in on the Lillard trade as a facilitator? But...so what?

No Lilliard for the Bulls, they ain't a team he would go to nor do they have the assets to acquire him. Does not look like Rozan and/or LaVine are going to be traded. If they were, it would be for draft picks. Not much left out there to replace them by this time. Maybe they'll make moves at the trade deadline if the season has gone south.