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thunderspirit wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:00 pm Slater and Joe Thomas both overcame Short Arm Syndrome, yes. They're exceptions to the rule, and I didn't make the rule, the NFL did. :D

Maybe Skoronski is too, I'm not prescient. Just saying the odds aren't in his favor to stick outside at T.
I'll wait until Combine measurements to get to worked up about this.
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thunderspirit wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:00 pm Slater and Joe Thomas both overcame Short Arm Syndrome, yes. They're exceptions to the rule, and I didn't make the rule, the NFL did. :D

Maybe Skoronski is too, I'm not prescient. Just saying the odds aren't in his favor to stick outside at T.
This got me to thinking about the relationship between arm length and wingspan. And basketball. Some players have big wingspans and average or even sub-average standing reaches, and each means something different for their games.

So I spot-checked the arm length/wingspan ratios of a few players. Laremy Tunsil is a good example, I think, of a guy who looks like he was built to play the position. His ratio is a shade above 2.42.

Rashawn Slater's is a little higher, at 2.428.

Cody Mauch's, for that matter, is right at 2.428, too.

Andre Dillard's, though, is less than 2.4, even though his arms are 33.5 inches long. The guy taken immediately after him in the first round, Tytus Howard, is right at 2.4. The only other first-round tackle that year has 32.5-inch arms. His ratio is 2.43, and he's Kaleb McGary.

The next year gave us a slew of first-round tackles, two of whom have panned out. Both Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs have long arms and wingspan ratios below 2.4.

Might be nothing. But for what it's worth, those are the only guys I looked at (can't find Joe Thomas's wingspan anywhere), so it's an honest if tiny sample. If this means anything, it might suggest that a wider frame and broader shoulders can offset shorter arms.
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I like the idea of Mauch…but he’s not looking good at the Sr Bowl. I’d consider a 5th or later, no higher
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Lot of people saying Mauch looks good though...and has looked good at center too.
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wab wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:50 am Lot of people saying Mauch looks good though...and has looked good at center too.
This is what I am hearing as well. Looks like the best Guard and second-best center there.

But with hippie hair and missing his front two teeth and beer belly, didn't quite hear anyone say he looked good (played great though). Did hear if you gave him some overalls and straw hat he could fit right in where most wouldn't. :-P
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Saw this, how much stouter would the Bears line be with these 2 guys along with signing a top free agent RT:

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I like Torrence a ton...I just think he goes in the bottom half of R1.
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It's vaguely possible he's on the board for a pick the Bears receive in trade (Colts 2.35 for example) and I love love Torrence. Here's a video of him hanging with Jalen Carter:



BUT worry he's not athletic enough to run around in space the way the Bears scheme would require. The combine will tell us a bit about that but it's a double-edged sword because a great combine performance would probably get him drafted by the Eagles or Saints at the end of the first.
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Torrence has only ever played RG. Not that a switch to LG would be monumental, but I wonder what drafting him would mean for Jenkins?

Still, I don't think the Bears have a shot at him unless they find themselves with a pick somewhere between 15-30. If he's even a fit.
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crueltyabc wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:30 pm It's vaguely possible he's on the board for a pick the Bears receive in trade (Colts 2.35 for example) and I love love Torrence. Here's a video of him hanging with Jalen Carter:

BUT worry he's not athletic enough to run around in space the way the Bears scheme would require. The combine will tell us a bit about that but it's a double-edged sword because a great combine performance would probably get him drafted by the Eagles or Saints at the end of the first.
Yeah, I really don't see him as a scheme fit
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Good article on Skoronski in the Suntimes this a.m.:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023 ... ong-tackle

Short armed but gave up few sacks in college. His grandfather was an offensive co-captain and LT for the Pack during their run to 5 championships in the '60s but I won't hold this against him. He'd be a quality pick at #8 or #9 at a position of need.
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Skoronski is a guard...maybe even a center in the NFL. He's a rich man's Cody Whitehair.
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wab wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:50 am Lot of people saying Mauch looks good though...and has looked good at center too.
I thought he looked pretty good. His tape looks good.

He looks like he's going to be drafted by the Vikings. I'd actually bet money on it.
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wab wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:05 pm Skoronski is a guard...maybe even a center in the NFL. He's a rich man's Cody Whitehair.
Don’t draft Guards in the Top 10.
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wulfy wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:58 pm
wab wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:05 pm Skoronski is a guard...maybe even a center in the NFL. He's a rich man's Cody Whitehair.
Don’t draft Guards in the Top 10.
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I think people are overlooking Paris Johnson as the drafts best LT prospect. After Will Anderson, if we stay in the top 10 he’s my guy. Best case, he’s a day 1 stud at LT….worst case, he’s a day 1 starter on the right side.
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I'm not sure Broderick Jones of Georgia isn't the best LT. There are some really good OTs this year.
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wulfy wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:52 am I'm not sure Broderick Jones of Georgia isn't the best LT. There are some really good OTs this year.
I think he is.
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Finally, the impenetrable wall of silence on Warren's injury comes down.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/03 ... t-pro-day/

Really doesn't sound like that big a deal at all.
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Wanya Morris looks very much like a Ryan Poles offensive tackle. (So does Paris Johnson Jr, naturally.)

I suspect Braeden Daniels and Jon Gaines II are on the Bears' Day 3 list. Both are athletic, have good length, and can play multiple positions. Gaines has staring experience at both G and C, while Daniels has started everywhere on the line but C.
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Give me the tOSU monster and somehow let him last to the 2nd
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thunderspirit wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:03 pm I suspect Braeden Daniels and Jon Gaines II are on the Bears' Day 3 list. Both are athletic, have good length, and can play multiple positions. Gaines has staring experience at both G and C, while Daniels has started everywhere on the line but C.
I'm starting to wonder if Gaines even makes it to our second-rounder. But yeah, he absolutely looks the part. Sidy Sow, too. But not to take Pig Simmons' place. That would be silly.
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RichH55 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:54 pm Give me the tOSU monster and somehow let him last to the 2nd
Him or Wright from TN, whos higher on your board?
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karhu wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 am
thunderspirit wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:03 pm I suspect Braeden Daniels and Jon Gaines II are on the Bears' Day 3 list. Both are athletic, have good length, and can play multiple positions. Gaines has staring experience at both G and C, while Daniels has started everywhere on the line but C.
I'm starting to wonder if Gaines even makes it to our second-rounder. But yeah, he absolutely looks the part. Sidy Sow, too. But not to take Pig Simmons' place. That would be silly.
Heh.

Gaines has plenty of flaws, suggesting he's much more of a Day 3 project. His lower body is pretty strong but his upper body needs plenty of work (there's a reason he didn't bench). Usually Day 2 OL are guys you can plug in right away, or else developmental tackles. That's not Gaines, so I think he'll make it to Day 3. But probably early Day 3.

Daniels might be a late Day 2 guy due to his versatility, but his low weight is a concern; and he, too, lacks some strength. His game looks to me like he'll fit better inside than out, but other teams might view him as a tackle and draft him accordingly.
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thunderspirit wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:16 am
karhu wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 am

I'm starting to wonder if Gaines even makes it to our second-rounder. But yeah, he absolutely looks the part. Sidy Sow, too. But not to take Pig Simmons' place. That would be silly.
Heh.

Gaines has plenty of flaws, suggesting he's much more of a Day 3 project. His lower body is pretty strong but his upper body needs plenty of work (there's a reason he didn't bench). Usually Day 2 OL are guys you can plug in right away, or else developmental tackles. That's not Gaines, so I think he'll make it to Day 3. But probably early Day 3.

Daniels might be a late Day 2 guy due to his versatility, but his low weight is a concern; and he, too, lacks some strength. His game looks to me like he'll fit better inside than out, but other teams might view him as a tackle and draft him accordingly.
Points all well taken on Gaines--we've all seen him get to the right place really impressively, then struggle to do everything he needs to once he's there. I just figure it only takes one team to fall for the most mobile guard in the draft. Someone might take Blake Freeland in the second round, too, though I'd hate for it to be the Bears.
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karhu wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:13 pm
thunderspirit wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:16 am

Heh.

Gaines has plenty of flaws, suggesting he's much more of a Day 3 project. His lower body is pretty strong but his upper body needs plenty of work (there's a reason he didn't bench). Usually Day 2 OL are guys you can plug in right away, or else developmental tackles. That's not Gaines, so I think he'll make it to Day 3. But probably early Day 3.

Daniels might be a late Day 2 guy due to his versatility, but his low weight is a concern; and he, too, lacks some strength. His game looks to me like he'll fit better inside than out, but other teams might view him as a tackle and draft him accordingly.
Points all well taken on Gaines--we've all seen him get to the right place really impressively, then struggle to do everything he needs to once he's there. I just figure it only takes one team to fall for the most mobile guard in the draft. Someone might take Blake Freeland in the second round, too, though I'd hate for it to be the Bears.
Yeah, Freeland in the 2nd would definitely make me unhappy. As I've stated previously, I'm just not a fan — I'm not sure he can see the field while he works on his technical and strength issues. At least Gaines only has one of those.
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cblaz11 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:22 am
RichH55 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:54 pm Give me the tOSU monster and somehow let him last to the 2nd
Him or Wright from TN, whos higher on your board?

The Ohio State kid by a long shot

Granted I need to actually go back and watch Tenn v. Alabama (supposed to be Wright's best game - and often against AndersON)

But at Senior Bowl week I was very surprised when they were saying nice things on him. Seemed a bit stiff, and the feet seemed borderline subpar - He was getting beat by average guys
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The kid from Syracuse is actually interesting with the late 2nd/early 3rd pick.
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wulfy wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:40 pm The kid from Syracuse is actually interesting with the late 2nd/early 3rd pick.
Bergeron? Yup, he's pretty good.

I like both of the Oklahoma tackles too. Harrison has great fluidity in his movement, and Morris resembles Braxton Jones build-wise.
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