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Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:05 pm
by wab
IE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:46 am
Ormazd wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:04 am
Exactly! Most of the 2018 success was due to Fangio's defense.
Everyone around the league recognizes this. He's not longer admired and respected around the league like he may have been after '18. He was quickly exposed.
He does talk a good game, though - and given that many NFL owners are both rich and not very bright, I'm guessing he will talk someone into giving him another big chance.
I'm not sticking up for Nagy, but both Reid and Mahomes respect the hell out of him. The murky and disgruntled view we have of him as fans isn't necessarily how the NFL world sees him.
I'd wager that a lot of people around the NFL see him as the former coach of a floundering franchise who was saddled by a mistake at QB, yet still won coach of the year, managed a winning record, and went to the playoffs twice in 4 years. They will also see him as a super bowl winning assistant who is coaching one of the greatest QB's of this generation.
If Frank Reich is getting second coaching gigs, Nagy will get another one eventually.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:20 pm
by IE
wab wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:05 pm
IE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:46 am
Everyone around the league recognizes this. He's not longer admired and respected around the league like he may have been after '18. He was quickly exposed.
He does talk a good game, though - and given that many NFL owners are both rich and not very bright, I'm guessing he will talk someone into giving him another big chance.
I'm not sticking up for Nagy, but both Reid and Mahomes respect the hell out of him. The murky and disgruntled view we have of him as fans isn't necessarily how the NFL world sees him.
I'd wager that a lot of people around the NFL see him as the former coach of a floundering franchise who was saddled by a mistake at QB, yet still won coach of the year, managed a winning record, and went to the playoffs twice in 4 years. They will also see him as a super bowl winning assistant who is coaching one of the greatest QB's of this generation.
If Frank Reich is getting second coaching gigs, Nagy will get another one eventually.
Sure - they've never experienced having him in control.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:33 pm
by MoFugger
wab wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:05 pm
IE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:46 am
Everyone around the league recognizes this. He's not longer admired and respected around the league like he may have been after '18. He was quickly exposed.
He does talk a good game, though - and given that many NFL owners are both rich and not very bright, I'm guessing he will talk someone into giving him another big chance.
I'm not sticking up for Nagy, but both Reid and Mahomes respect the hell out of him. The murky and disgruntled view we have of him as fans isn't necessarily how the NFL world sees him.
I'd wager that a lot of people around the NFL see him as the former coach of a floundering franchise who was saddled by a mistake at QB, yet still won coach of the year, managed a winning record, and went to the playoffs twice in 4 years. They will also see him as a super bowl winning assistant who is coaching one of the greatest QB's of this generation.
If Frank Reich is getting second coaching gigs, Nagy will get another one eventually.
This is one of the most honest, accurate, and well thought out post I've seen in a long time.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:05 pm
by IE
Oh, I totally think the NFL will give Nagy another chance - because of the positive spin you shared wab. But the only think standing in between him and a losing record was Vic Fangio. Fangio won him coach of the year with that D, and without Fangio Nagy's performance was a joke - including that second "playoff" appearance. Will he get an Andy Reid / Mahomes halo? Almost certainly.
Caveat emptor.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:27 pm
by Heinz D.
wab wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:05 pm
If Frank Reich is getting second coaching gigs, Nagy will get another one eventually.
You might be right about that, but at least Reich is a good HC. The players, generally,
liked Nagy, but that's really the only part of the job he did well.
I actually think it was stupid of the Colts to fire Reich. Ballard should have never allowed the QB-recycling thing to go on in the first place...
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:09 am
by The Marshall Plan
IE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:05 pm
Oh, I totally think the NFL will give Nagy another chance - because of the positive spin you shared wab. But the only think standing in between him and a losing record was Vic Fangio. Fangio won him coach of the year with that D, and without Fangio Nagy's performance was a joke - including that second "playoff" appearance. Will he get an Andy Reid / Mahomes halo? Almost certainly.
Caveat emptor.
I begrudgingly agree that Nagy will get another HC gig, but I think he’s going to orbit Andy Reid for a couple more years to see if he retires first.
Leaving the Mahomes Gravy Train is a big deal.
I just cannot believe this world sometimes.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:56 am
by Ditka’s dictaphone
Nagy calling plays in Green Bay
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:20 pm
by Rusty Trombagent
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:34 pm
by o-pus #40 in B major
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 am
by Grizzled
Just commented in the 'New Coaches' forum. Eric Biennemy has been hired by the Commandos as their Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator. Will Nagy get promoted to Chief's Offensive Coordinator? If so, will he have play design/play calling capabilities? Biennemy was allowed some latitude in those areas. If so, has Nagy learned from his failed Bears tenure to actually work with the talent available? He is said to have a very close relationship with Mahomes, will that be the deciding factor in him getting the job?
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:41 am
by The Marshall Plan
Grizzled wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 am
Just commented in the 'New Coaches' forum. Eric Biennemy has been hired by the Commandos as their Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator. Will Nagy get promoted to Chief's Offensive Coordinator? If so, will he have play design/play calling capabilities? Biennemy was allowed some latitude in those areas. If so, has Nagy learned from his failed Bears tenure to actually work with the talent available? He is said to have a very close relationship with Mahomes, will that be the deciding factor in him getting the job?
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:47 pm
by Sugashane
Nagy once said he wasn't an idiot... but he failed to ever prove otherwise. That being said he is like a salesman and apparently sells himself well.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:48 am
by HurricaneBear
Nagy's alot like a lesser Josh McDaniels. Give him a few years of success with Mahommes and I bet you he gets another shot. And just like McDaniels I doubt he learns from his mistakes and checks his ego. Hopefully that future failure will be with a team that benefits the Bears.
Re: Nagy the successor to Reid?
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:39 pm
by Kylo Bearen
Wow; like WTF?! I've heard of "Club Dub" for sometime but this is my first time actually seeing it? Wow, I mean just wow? It still better than my dancing though, lol.
This is one of the most honest, accurate, and well thought out post I've seen in a long time.
