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thunderspirit wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:59 am This sucks for Vorhees.

This is (part of) why the Combine should be paid for the participants. The NFL has made it a reality show, so there should be some recompense for the performers on that show. The coaches, scouts, GMs, and media members are getting paid to be there. So should the guys everyone has come to see.

Moriarty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:17 pm
You could try 'insuring' players over significant injury while participating, like this instance. But I feel like that could get very messy in practice with trying to prove there was or wasn't already pre-existing damage.

Moriarty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:17 pm

thunderspirit wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:59 am This sucks for Vorhees.

This is (part of) why the Combine should be paid for the participants. The NFL has made it a reality show, so there should be some recompense for the performers on that show. The coaches, scouts, GMs, and media members are getting paid to be there. So should the guys everyone has come to see.

I'm not sure what you can do.

I was thinking about pay in a different context of coercing more participation. But if you give 10k each to 300+ ppts, that's 3M+ right there.
And the NFL only pays out 20-25M to players (2 teams, collectively) per regular season game.
I know combine popularity has grown and it does provide more than 4 hours of content. But how much higher could you reasonably go? 20k? 50k?

Would a player willingly risk their draft position over 20k?
Would Vorhees feel much better right now with an extra 20k?

You could try 'insuring' players over significant injury while participating, like this instance. But I feel like that could get very messy in practice with trying to prove there was or wasn't already pre-existing damage.

Yeah, of course they should get something, just on principle. But I'm suspicious about it being all that meaningful.

thunderspirit wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:13 pm

Moriarty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:17 pm

I'm not sure what you can do.

I was thinking about pay in a different context of coercing more participation. But if you give 10k each to 300+ ppts, that's 3M+ right there.
And the NFL only pays out 20-25M to players (2 teams, collectively) per regular season game.
I know combine popularity has grown and it does provide more than 4 hours of content. But how much higher could you reasonably go? 20k? 50k?

Would a player willingly risk their draft position over 20k?
Would Vorhees feel much better right now with an extra 20k?

You could try 'insuring' players over significant injury while participating, like this instance. But I feel like that could get very messy in practice with trying to prove there was or wasn't already pre-existing damage.

Yeah, of course they should get something, just on principle. But I'm suspicious about it being all that meaningful.

Some compensation for the people who actually are doing the performing is better than none.

To address your first point: there's a fuckton the NFL can do. They won't, but that's not the same as "can."

wab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:09 pm Man, that sucks for the kid.. but he's clearly one tough SOB. I'd still take him in the 5th or so.

cblaz11 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:20 am I think we need to cancel the combine…It’s outrageous that we make athletes that are trying out for NFL teams run around and do athletic things.

Also, these NFL teams are investing millions in these players…I cannot believe they make them spend a day interviewing for the job. Making these poor kids run around for a few hours…making them go get medical test to prove they can do the job they are going to get paid millions for. Why can’t the NFL teams just take the players word for it and pay them.

mmmc_35 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:41 am

cblaz11 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:20 am I think we need to cancel the combine…It’s outrageous that we make athletes that are trying out for NFL teams run around and do athletic things.

Also, these NFL teams are investing millions in these players…I cannot believe they make them spend a day interviewing for the job. Making these poor kids run around for a few hours…making them go get medical test to prove they can do the job they are going to get paid millions for. Why can’t the NFL teams just take the players word for it and pay them.

Dude I had to do this shit for jobs too. I feel I'm fairly player friendly. However if part of your job is physical, it's not ridiculous to do physical shit for an interview. I actually think it should be even more standardized and they should quit pro days. The NFL should pay for his medical bills too.


That all said I want to draft this guy now.

RichH55 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:32 pm I run relatively small events - and we have insurance

Moriarty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:27 am There's no doubt you should be able to do simple tests as part of a job interview. And for a 1M+ job, flying out for a few days is entirely reasonable.
As far as that goes, I'm a real hardliner that feels that participation ideally would be mandatory for anyone who wants an NFL player job. I don't think you can, because it's too easy to claim a pulled hamstring, sore ankle, or whatever. But ideally.


However, don't overlook the twin points:
a) You can get badly hurt doing these tests, even if you are in proper physical shape for the job, which typically is not true of other things.
b) The NFL is profiting on showing the Combine on cable. Does it turn a profit or just help offset the costs of hosting it? Don't know, but I'm guessing the former.
If that's the case, then using interviews to generate revenue (without sharing) is kind of scummy. That's not unlike a company having interviewees come in and code a solution to a "realistic problem the company faces"...and then the company actually takes the code, uses it, and doesn't compensate for your contribution.

It's not as bad, because maybe 60% of invitees get an NFL job for at least a year at 750k+ and probably 30% get 100-700k from partial roster time and/or PS time. But, still, there's no guarantee.

RichH55 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:32 pm

Moriarty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:27 am There's no doubt you should be able to do simple tests as part of a job interview. And for a 1M+ job, flying out for a few days is entirely reasonable.
As far as that goes, I'm a real hardliner that feels that participation ideally would be mandatory for anyone who wants an NFL player job. I don't think you can, because it's too easy to claim a pulled hamstring, sore ankle, or whatever. But ideally.


However, don't overlook the twin points:
a) You can get badly hurt doing these tests, even if you are in proper physical shape for the job, which typically is not true of other things.
b) The NFL is profiting on showing the Combine on cable. Does it turn a profit or just help offset the costs of hosting it? Don't know, but I'm guessing the former.
If that's the case, then using interviews to generate revenue (without sharing) is kind of scummy. That's not unlike a company having interviewees come in and code a solution to a "realistic problem the company faces"...and then the company actually takes the code, uses it, and doesn't compensate for your contribution.

It's not as bad, because maybe 60% of invitees get an NFL job for at least a year at 750k+ and probably 30% get 100-700k from partial roster time and/or PS time. But, still, there's no guarantee.

I'd say these two things:

1) I don't think the NFL made the combine (or the Draft for that matter) for the express purpose of making it a TV Event - that's just a nice bonus for them that it worked out that way

2) If the Money the NFL makes on the Combine TV is considered shareable revenue (I do not know either way) - that supercedes the above points because the Players ARE getting their share