Chiefs won't franchise tag T Orlando Jones

[UOK]

[wab]

I'm not saying that the Chiefs giving up a first-round pick (and more) for Brown, and then letting him go...is a red flag. But I'm also not saying it isn't.

And if Poles declines to pass on Brown, can we all agree to keep the "he blew it" stuff to a minimum?

[thunderspirit]

I'm not saying that the Chiefs giving up a first-round pick (and more) for Brown, and then letting him go...is a red flag. But I'm also not saying it isn't.

I know what you mean. Legitimate concerns there myself. Having both your team's starting tackles enter free agency at the same time seems, um, suboptimal. Maybe they really think Lucas Niang is back to 100% next season (has he even been 100%?), or maybe they're thinking they land someone in the draft. Either way, feels kind of dicey. That said, the Chiefs watched him every day for two years, so you have to guess they know who he is, and would prefer to move on.

I suspect last year's franchise tag on OBJ was trying to get exactly what they got this year: another ring.

And if Poles declines to pass on Brown, can we all agree to keep the "he blew it" stuff to a minimum?

Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

[Grizzled]

He's been rated as a good but not great LT for the Chiefs. They're kind of in cap hell and from things I've read, wants to be the highest paid LT in the game. They stalemated last year over guaranteed money. Trent Williams and David Bakhtiari are cuurently the highest at $23M, with Laremy Tunsil at $22M. He did play gang busters in the Cbiefs run to the Super Bowl.

[dplank]

I'm not saying that the Chiefs giving up a first-round pick (and more) for Brown, and then letting him go...is a red flag. But I'm also not saying it isn't.

And if Poles declines to pass on Brown, can we all agree to keep the "he blew it" stuff to a minimum?

I do not agree to this lol.

Seriously though, Poles blows it IMO if he fails to sign some real talent to the OL. It doesn’t have to be any one particular player, but he can’t sit on his hands either.

[wulfy]

I’d rather let Braxton Jones continue to develop and add a stud RT.

[dplank]

Me too. If I could choose Brown or McGlinchey / McGary I’ll take the RT

[RichH55]

I'm not saying that the Chiefs giving up a first-round pick (and more) for Brown, and then letting him go...is a red flag. But I'm also not saying it isn't.

And if Poles declines to pass on Brown, can we all agree to keep the "he blew it" stuff to a minimum?

Ha - No deal on the second part

I say we raise "he blew it" - to he blew it, then uncalled for personal attack on Poles (have to way beat just calling him a "Liar") - then suggest that Poles is for unknown reasons trying to get Fields to fail

Book it!

(Also Im more than fine with just overpaying Brown)

[southdakbearfan]

I'm not saying that the Chiefs giving up a first-round pick (and more) for Brown, and then letting him go...is a red flag. But I'm also not saying it isn't.

And if Poles declines to pass on Brown, can we all agree to keep the "he blew it" stuff to a minimum?

Ha - No deal on the second part

I say we raise "he blew it" - to he blew it, then uncalled for personal attack on Poles (have to way beat just calling him a "Liar") - then suggest that Poles is for unknown reasons trying to get Fields to fail

Book it!

(Also Im more than fine with just overpaying Brown)

It's called correcting a deficiency after losing a title due to line play, winning a title and now dealing with the cap ramifications. Being in 3 out of 4 Super Bowls and winning 2.

Sounds like pretty solid gm'ing to me.

[The Marshall Plan]

I'm not saying that the Chiefs giving up a first-round pick (and more) for Brown, and then letting him go...is a red flag. But I'm also not saying it isn't.

And if Poles declines to pass on Brown, can we all agree to keep the "he blew it" stuff to a minimum?

LOL it all depends upon what the rest of FA looks like.

But we've got to sign this guy. It would change the whole line.

[dplank]

His cost may be nuts, we will see. There looks to be several big FA OTs available in FA and Poles needs to get one of them. No excuses IMO, get one and solidify this line then draft another to compete. It’s not a big ask for a GM that vowed to focus on the OL and has the most cap space in the league. His table is set.

[IE]

Am I crazy to be interested in paying Brown LT money to play on the right? Why not - balancing his cost with Brax for 3 more years? I know he was sort of considered a RT but played well enough on the left to get the big payday and move over. But what if he moved back to the right?

Him next to Jenk is sort of amazing to think aobut. Is he a good fit for the Bear offense?

I think the only way Poles blows it is messing with what Jones is cooking on the left.

[wab]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of moving displacing Braxton yet.

If the Bears don't sign an OT and draft Paris Johnson at 9 or 11, or Anton Harrison/Blake Freeland in R2, would people be ok?

[thunderspirit]

Am I crazy to be interested in paying Brown LT money to play on the right? Why not - balancing his cost with Brax for 3 more years? I know he was sort of considered a RT but played well enough on the left to get the big payday and move over. But what if he moved back to the right?

Him next to Jenk is sort of amazing to think aobut. Is he a good fit for the Bear offense?

I think the only way Poles blows it is messing with what Jones is cooking on the left.

FWIW, Baltimore (allegedly) offered OBJ left tackle money to continue playing on the right side. He declined, because he wants to play LT, and the Ravens subsequently traded him to KC.

[IE]

Am I crazy to be interested in paying Brown LT money to play on the right? Why not - balancing his cost with Brax for 3 more years? I know he was sort of considered a RT but played well enough on the left to get the big payday and move over. But what if he moved back to the right?

Him next to Jenk is sort of amazing to think aobut. Is he a good fit for the Bear offense?

I think the only way Poles blows it is messing with what Jones is cooking on the left.

FWIW, Baltimore (allegedly) offered OBJ left tackle money to continue playing on the right side. He declined, because he wants to play LT, and the Ravens subsequently traded him to KC.

Yep - remember. I'm wondering if he's still in the same mode now. Things change. He got his ring ... now money?

[wab]

Am I alone in thinking that you are really just paying for a name with Brown? What about his performance in KC screams out 23m per year?

[wab]

Also I'm starting to think UOK is trolling us. First "Jeff" Pollard and now Orlando "Jones".

[Rusty Trombagent]

Oh shit

[dplank]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of moving displacing Braxton yet.

If the Bears don't sign an OT and draft Paris Johnson at 9 or 11, or Anton Harrison/Blake Freeland in R2, would people be ok?

Yes I'd be fine with that. Poles has to spend on the OL, there's a lot of different ways he can do that. If can spend in FA, or he can spend with high value draft picks, or both. What he can't do, IMO, is go with 2nd tier FA / cheap signings and then also only spend later round draft picks - basically what he did last year. That will have me brandishing my pitchforks.

[RichH55]

The one scenario that I am completely and totally fine with zero FA OL?

If we get the monster tOSU kid in the draft

[RichH55]

Am I alone in thinking that you are really just paying for a name with Brown? What about his performance in KC screams out 23m per year?

You aren't completely - and you are absolutely going to pay 5-6 a YEAR more than he's actually worth. (In fairness - I think that's probably true on McGary and definitely McGinchey too - though maybe thats more like 4 a year?)


Though maybe - like we used to say on the old board about John Tait and his dyslexic groin - that Jones can only play LT?

But to me - having your own Lane Johnson? I'm more than ok with it

My only pause is still the Ohio State kid - just because I think him and Jones are two of the RARE examples where Tackle might just be their better position than Guard

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

The one scenario that I am completely and totally fine with zero FA OL?

If we get the monster tOSU kid in the draft

Who is this?

[RichH55]

The one scenario that I am completely and totally fine with zero FA OL?

If we get the monster tOSU kid in the draft

Who is this?

Dawand Jones

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Who is this?

Dawand Jones

Got ya.

So you like this kid then?

[o-pus #40 in B major]

Unlike guards, guys like him don't grow on trees.

[RichH55]

Unlike guards, guys like him don't grow on trees.

Pure Planet Theory guy

[o-pus #40 in B major]

Yeah and thinking back in the same vein to William Perry and Ted Washington and the kind of impact they brought to the Bears D.

Jones would be a decent blue chip pick.

[BearsFanInMN]

Am I crazy to be interested in paying Brown LT money to play on the right? Why not - balancing his cost with Brax for 3 more years? I know he was sort of considered a RT but played well enough on the left to get the big payday and move over. But what if he moved back to the right?

Him next to Jenk is sort of amazing to think aobut. Is he a good fit for the Bear offense?

I think the only way Poles blows it is messing with what Jones is cooking on the left.

If you believe (like many do) he’s elite at RT and you think Jones with a full offseason as a Pro will continue to develop then yes. Gives you positional flexibility too because we know he can play LT.

[HurricaneBear]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of moving displacing Braxton yet.

If the Bears don't sign an OT and draft Paris Johnson at 9 or 11, or Anton Harrison/Blake Freeland in R2, would people be ok?

I want minimum 3 new OL, 2 of which should be average or better starters from FA or a 1st or 2nd round pick. I'd prefer the third player be the same as well but I understand it's likely Poles cares about defense a smidge more than me.

An OT, a LG and a C are my preferences. If they snagged Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson, the Minnesota center(or equivalent he's the only one C I know in the draft) and a FA LG(i don't know the FAs so you pick a name) I'd be pretty happy.

[IE]

Am I crazy to be interested in paying Brown LT money to play on the right? Why not - balancing his cost with Brax for 3 more years? I know he was sort of considered a RT but played well enough on the left to get the big payday and move over. But what if he moved back to the right?

Him next to Jenk is sort of amazing to think aobut. Is he a good fit for the Bear offense?

I think the only way Poles blows it is messing with what Jones is cooking on the left.

If you believe (like many do) he’s elite at RT and you think Jones with a full offseason as a Pro will continue to develop then yes. Gives you positional flexibility too because we know he can play LT.

2nd year Jones, Whitehair, a rookie C (Schmitz), Jenk and Brown .... yes, please. Look at the overall cost of the line, and then consider it could end up one of the better lines in the league.

With 3 more years of Brax and 2 more years of Jenk and Borom, and then a rookie C ... I kind of don't care what it costs at RT. The Bears still might not even bump into the top 10 of highest paid Olines even keeping Whitehair for a year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/