Official: Bears trade 1st ovr pick to Panthers for WR DJ Moore & multiple future 1st rounders

[TheWorldBreaker]

Carolina only got "fleeced" (if indeed you think they did) if the QB they pick Trubiskys. If their guy hits, you make that trade every time and don't look back.

That’s true, but what’s important is that our second year 37 year old GM didn’t get fleeced and appears to be focused on building around Fields this year.

[Rusty Trombagent]

It's really pretty funny that pretty much everyone is praising this... except bears fans.




You go, girl

[IE]

I’m sure I’ll come around but it’s just a heavy “meh” for me right now.

Dude you were the one managing people's expectations... and....

[Mikefive]

I didn't think we'd get the haul that everyone was predicting. I'm fine with what we got.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

DJ Moore Contract Details per spotrac:

2023
Base salary: $19,965,000
Workout: $200,000
Cap Hit :$20,165,000
Dead Cap: $21,075,000

2024
Base salary: $15,850,000
Workout: $200,000
Cap Hit :$16,050,000
Dead Cap: $1,110,000

2025
Base salary: $14,850,000
Roster: $1,000,000
Workout: $200,000
Cap Hit :$16,050,000
Dead Cap: $0

That's a very nice situation for the Bears. Take the bigger cap hit this year when they're flush with cap space and those next two years are lower than the likes of Christian Kirk and Mike Williams signed for last year. And they have an easy out after just one season if for some bizarre reason it all goes south.

[Moriarty]

Not excited.
(And I was counseling modest expectations before this, too...)

I don't mind going down to 9 (or lower). But you gotta do better than that.
They only got ONE extra pick this year. And it's not even a high R2, it's a very late R2. The difference between, say, a 35 and 61 is HUGE.

R1 in 2024 is a nice piece, as Carolina may still suck then. But the R2 in 2025 is 2 years off.

DJ Moore's a nice receiver, but he isn't that valuable a pickup. I'm so sick of having this conversation over and over.
Trading for somebody under contract cheaply has value. Essentially, you're giving up draft capital in exchange for cap capital.
Trading for somebody under contract at market value isn't really helpful (unless they're the final piece of your championship push). You're giving up draft resource in order to pay the financial price that should be paid without any draft resource attached - ie, you're setting fire to your draft pick.
The contract savings on Moore isn't that much - and the Bears need draft capital far more than cap savings, anyway.

[wab]

I’m sure I’ll come around but it’s just a heavy “meh” for me right now.

Don't like Moore?

When I first heard the bears were working a deal with the panthers, I think maybe I just had my heart set on Burns and then the chance for JSN at 9. That would have been my preferred outcome, but this is fine. I’m not a HUGE fan of DJ Moore, but he’s a nice player.

Feels light on the picks too since 3 first rounders are typically the going rate for the chance at a QB.

It’s fine, I’m just not over the moon about it.

[UOK]

Wonder if he'll pay Santos to get the #2 jersey.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

According to the value chart the 1st pick is worth 3000pts. The 9th pick is worth 1350, and the 61st pick is worth 292pts. If Carolina has a top ten pick next year, then maybe it was a good deal. Yes DJ Moore is a good receiver, but he's not in the top 10. Do we think he's worth 800 points? 1000pts? You can put the best receivers you want on the field, but if we don't have an OL it means nothing. I'm probably just complaining, but I don't feel like we got fair value. I'm sure someone will eventually convince me otherwise.

Over The Cap's take on the trade:

Even without including Moore this is a big trade for the Bears. Using average future expectations for the draft selections Chicago will gain 4,940 points while the Panthers gain 3,000 points in our Fitzgerald-Spielberger model. That is essentially the value of adding the 8th pick in the NFL draft. In addition they are also adding a receiver in Moore who is valued as a $20 million receiver.

If the Bears had no intentions of picking a quarterback with the top pick this type of trade is a no brainer to make. By adding the 2024 1st rounder of a team who will be starting a rookie QB and has, on paper, a weak roster the Bears put themselves in a great position to land a higher than average pick next season. If things do go south with Justin Fields that would give them the ammunition to potentially grab a QB next year if needed. If Fields works out they will be in great shape to build around him.

Full article: https://overthecap.com/bears-trade-top-pick-to-panthers

[wulfy]

I would imagine so. I doubt they keep Claypool after this coming season though.

I love claypool and really hope this all comes together next year.

DJ Moore is 27 days older than Velus Jones Jr.

[Hema2.0]

Not excited.
(And I was counseling modest expectations before this, too...)

I don't mind going down to 9 (or lower). But you gotta do better than that.
They only got ONE extra pick this year. And it's not even a high R2, it's a very late R2. The difference between, say, a 35 and 61 is HUGE.

R1 in 2024 is a nice piece, as Carolina may still suck then. But the R2 in 2025 is 2 years off.

DJ Moore's a nice receiver, but he isn't that valuable a pickup. I'm so sick of having this conversation over and over.
Trading for somebody under contract cheaply has value. Essentially, you're giving up draft capital in exchange for cap capital.
Trading for somebody under contract at market value isn't really helpful (unless they're the final piece of your championship push). You're giving up draft resource in order to pay the financial price that should be paid without any draft resource attached - ie, you're setting fire to your draft pick.
The contract savings on Moore isn't that much - and the Bears need draft capital far more than cap savings, anyway.

Just my opinion, but Poles needs to have zero question marks when it comes to Fields by this time next year. Getting a true #1 and beefing up the oline will eliminate all excuses for that not happening. If Fields balls out, we will have 2 #1's next year for roster building. If Fields craps the bed, we should be in decent position with 2 #1's to make something happen on the QB front. Either way, the WR corp and the Oline should be in good position moving forward .

[otis]

the fleeced twitter thread had the trade being rejected on the pff mock simulator. so thats encouraging. i suppose.

[The Cooler King]

DJ Moore Contract Details per spotrac:

2023
Base salary: $19,965,000
Workout: $200,000
Cap Hit :$20,165,000
Dead Cap: $21,075,000

2024
Base salary: $15,850,000
Workout: $200,000
Cap Hit :$16,050,000
Dead Cap: $1,110,000

2025
Base salary: $14,850,000
Roster: $1,000,000
Workout: $200,000
Cap Hit :$16,050,000
Dead Cap: $0

That's a very nice situation for the Bears. Take the bigger cap hit this year when they're flush with cap space and those next two years are lower than the likes of Christian Kirk and Mike Williams signed for last year. And they have an easy out after just one season if for some bizarre reason it all goes south.

Bears won't carry any of that dead cap. That's all Carolinas to absorb.

[The Cooler King]

Don't like Moore?

When I first heard the bears were working a deal with the panthers, I think maybe I just had my heart set on Burns and then the chance for JSN at 9. That would have been my preferred outcome, but this is fine. I’m not a HUGE fan of DJ Moore, but he’s a nice player.

Feels light on the picks too since 3 first rounders are typically the going rate for the chance at a QB.

It’s fine, I’m just not over the moon about it.

DJ Moore has as much value as a first. And part of the appeal of having a extra first was the flexibility to say, trade for an impact veteran player.

[The Cooler King]

According to the value chart the 1st pick is worth 3000pts. The 9th pick is worth 1350, and the 61st pick is worth 292pts. If Carolina has a top ten pick next year, then maybe it was a good deal. Yes DJ Moore is a good receiver, but he's not in the top 10. Do we think he's worth 800 points? 1000pts? You can put the best receivers you want on the field, but if we don't have an OL it means nothing. I'm probably just complaining, but I don't feel like we got fair value. I'm sure someone will eventually convince me otherwise.

Over The Cap's take on the trade:

Even without including Moore this is a big trade for the Bears. Using average future expectations for the draft selections Chicago will gain 4,940 points while the Panthers gain 3,000 points in our Fitzgerald-Spielberger model. That is essentially the value of adding the 8th pick in the NFL draft. In addition they are also adding a receiver in Moore who is valued as a $20 million receiver.

If the Bears had no intentions of picking a quarterback with the top pick this type of trade is a no brainer to make. By adding the 2024 1st rounder of a team who will be starting a rookie QB and has, on paper, a weak roster the Bears put themselves in a great position to land a higher than average pick next season. If things do go south with Justin Fields that would give them the ammunition to potentially grab a QB next year if needed. If Fields works out they will be in great shape to build around him.

Full article: https://overthecap.com/bears-trade-top-pick-to-panthers

Yea, any non JJ chart is gonna like this quite a it more. Especially OTC. The value curve on any analytical derived chart is not gonna be so steep.

[The Cooler King]

Not excited.
(And I was counseling modest expectations before this, too...)

I don't mind going down to 9 (or lower). But you gotta do better than that.
They only got ONE extra pick this year. And it's not even a high R2, it's a very late R2. The difference between, say, a 35 and 61 is HUGE.

R1 in 2024 is a nice piece, as Carolina may still suck then. But the R2 in 2025 is 2 years off.

DJ Moore's a nice receiver, but he isn't that valuable a pickup. I'm so sick of having this conversation over and over.
Trading for somebody under contract cheaply has value. Essentially, you're giving up draft capital in exchange for cap capital.
Trading for somebody under contract at market value isn't really helpful (unless they're the final piece of your championship push). You're giving up draft resource in order to pay the financial price that should be paid without any draft resource attached - ie, you're setting fire to your draft pick.
The contract savings on Moore isn't that much - and the Bears need draft capital far more than cap savings, anyway.

Sure, except impact players rarely hit FA. Especially WR these days.

Plus trading for a guy already on a contract has a small advantage to one who needs to be extended - the other team ate all the upfront cost.

So for example, Bears get Moore on a smaller APY contract that Jacksonville gave Kirk last year.

[Grizzled]

Very mixed reactions on Carolina message boards. Some very happy and content, some quite unhappy. More than one would have rather have seen Burns traded. The Colts message boards are going crazy. They're ready to march on Ballard's office with pitchforks and torches.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Panthers: We'll give you our 9th and 61st picks this year plus a first rounder in 2024 and a second rounder in 2025.

Poles: Hm, that's a good set of picks but I'm going to need more.

Panthers: Moore? OK, OK, we'll give you DJ too. Just let us have that number one pick!

[thunderspirit]

Not excited.
(And I was counseling modest expectations before this, too...)

I don't mind going down to 9 (or lower). But you gotta do better than that.
They only got ONE extra pick this year. And it's not even a high R2, it's a very late R2. The difference between, say, a 35 and 61 is HUGE.

R1 in 2024 is a nice piece, as Carolina may still suck then. But the R2 in 2025 is 2 years off.

DJ Moore's a nice receiver, but he isn't that valuable a pickup. I'm so sick of having this conversation over and over.
Trading for somebody under contract cheaply has value. Essentially, you're giving up draft capital in exchange for cap capital.
Trading for somebody under contract at market value isn't really helpful (unless they're the final piece of your championship push). You're giving up draft resource in order to pay the financial price that should be paid without any draft resource attached - ie, you're setting fire to your draft pick.
The contract savings on Moore isn't that much - and the Bears need draft capital far more than cap savings, anyway.

Go home, sir. You're drunk.

[BearsFanInMN]

I’d have preferred the 2nd this year be Carolina’s and not the one from 49ers and that’s the only minor problem I have with this move.

I think this is a great trade! I think people were expecting the kind of haul as if there was a Lawrence or Luck in this draft. Nobody even knows who the top pick is for sure. Moore is a great get. Young WR1 who produced with crappy QB. Means you’re not reaching in draft or overpaying on a weak market.

[RichH55]

I don’t know, I’m a little underwhelmed

What?

[IE]

Trading for somebody under contract cheaply has value. Essentially, you're giving up draft capital in exchange for cap capital.

Sorry but this is such a weird over thinking, context free take.

[BBF]

I don’t know how you could be underwhelmed with this trade. We essentially got 65% more than the value of #1 before adding in the value of Moore.

Based on the trades for WRs recently and the contracts they received, Moore probably would have 1500 value.

[RichH55]

According to the value chart the 1st pick is worth 3000pts. The 9th pick is worth 1350, and the 61st pick is worth 292pts. If Carolina has a top ten pick next year, then maybe it was a good deal. Yes DJ Moore is a good receiver, but he's not in the top 10. Do we think he's worth 800 points? 1000pts? You can put the best receivers you want on the field, but if we don't have an OL it means nothing. I'm probably just complaining, but I don't feel like we got fair value. I'm sure someone will eventually convince me otherwise.

Over The Cap's take on the trade:

Even without including Moore this is a big trade for the Bears. Using average future expectations for the draft selections Chicago will gain 4,940 points while the Panthers gain 3,000 points in our Fitzgerald-Spielberger model. That is essentially the value of adding the 8th pick in the NFL draft. In addition they are also adding a receiver in Moore who is valued as a $20 million receiver.

If the Bears had no intentions of picking a quarterback with the top pick this type of trade is a no brainer to make. By adding the 2024 1st rounder of a team who will be starting a rookie QB and has, on paper, a weak roster the Bears put themselves in a great position to land a higher than average pick next season. If things do go south with Justin Fields that would give them the ammunition to potentially grab a QB next year if needed. If Fields works out they will be in great shape to build around him.

Full article: https://overthecap.com/bears-trade-top-pick-to-panthers

This was my take away reading as well

Kind of a Home Run in my book

[VA_Mountain_Bear]

Contract and cap stuff for Moore.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-be ... XLZHzv54Q

[crueltyabc]

I wasn’t ready to come to this thread and find so much DJ Moore hate. Wow

Well I’m fucking excited. I think Poles finessed this. On top of all the assets he acquired, he made it happen before FA so he can pitch to agents and build around his suddenly respectable stable of young skill position players.

[RichH55]

What am I missing on this contract for Moore?

[wab]

I wasn’t ready to come to this thread and find so much DJ Moore hate. Wow

Well I’m fucking excited. I think Poles finessed this. On top of all the assets he acquired, he made it happen before FA so he can pitch to agents and build around his suddenly respectable stable of young skill position players.

I don’t see any DJ Moore hate.

[UOK]

Same, I think some folks get rock hard for defense, some are staunch “build the lines” guys, others have differing ideas on value and fair return, or all of the above. I haven’t seen or heard anyone out there (besides a dipshit packers fan on WSCR) who’s clowned DJ Moore being part of this trade.

[o-pus #40 in B major]

Welcome aboard, DJ Moore!