I don't have any problem with Brown for 1yr (if the price is right)
He's pretty plug and play. Push the RT problem out a year into future, when we have fewer needs and 2 R1 picks. (And we could franchise him for another year, if necessary)
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Don't they need cheese for that? Maybe they should also make a play for Rodgers.HurricaneBear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:50 amMaybe they are making twice baked mayfields?Yogi da Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:48 am
Isn't he done yet? I thought the timer went off last year. Now they're looking at really burnt frozen pizza. lol
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I’m officially over my little melodrama of spamming every thread with my disappointment.
I remain slightly frustrated that I feel Fields is still vulnerable given the O line but what I have embraced is “the process”.
Poles is rock solid in his gameplan and you’ve got to respect that.
He’s “building through the draft” and the first few days of FA have led to believe that only players like Edmunds (clearly one of the best in his position and still having potential to improve) will “get paid” i.e. big contract in first wave.
The others will be second/third wave, shorter contracts.
I get it, good contracts for players past/at their peak won’t happen.
He’s thinking about the future and won’t hamstring the team with deteriorating vets on big contracts despite having incredible cap availability.
Good on him. I’ve got to respect him. I may feel less excited about 2023 but for Poles it’s not about 2023. He’s taking care of the Bears, he’s refusing to be tempted to go all-in.
I remain slightly frustrated that I feel Fields is still vulnerable given the O line but what I have embraced is “the process”.
Poles is rock solid in his gameplan and you’ve got to respect that.
He’s “building through the draft” and the first few days of FA have led to believe that only players like Edmunds (clearly one of the best in his position and still having potential to improve) will “get paid” i.e. big contract in first wave.
The others will be second/third wave, shorter contracts.
I get it, good contracts for players past/at their peak won’t happen.
He’s thinking about the future and won’t hamstring the team with deteriorating vets on big contracts despite having incredible cap availability.
Good on him. I’ve got to respect him. I may feel less excited about 2023 but for Poles it’s not about 2023. He’s taking care of the Bears, he’s refusing to be tempted to go all-in.
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Definitely might.
But that can also be used as a bargaining chip - "If you're going to take away options that are normally available to us, that pushes the contract value down for us. We'll give you X normally, but only Y if we include that clause."
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I don't get it.
He seems to be saying that he got help less often than other tackles, that's hard, but it enhanced his rep.
What's the problem?
Did he get a lot of help or something?
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He’s saying they put him on an island and gave him no help, and that he’s respected for that.
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Brown is a player who logically could have been of interest to the Bears, partly because of his Kansas City ties and GM Ryan Poles' past with the Chiefs. However, he's graded well behind Jones at 35th overall, and far worse as a run blocker. The Bears, after all, have a run-oriented offense.
It's far better to have a fifth-round draft pick who is on his first contract playing left tackle and doing it well enough to stay there than it is to pay gobs of cash for a free agent left tackle who, during a contract year, is having trouble producing better than the Bears rookie.
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PFF list of top 100 still available. Still are some upgrades available.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-100-best-a ... ree-agents
Top 20, in order. With guys I'd consider bolded/starred
*T ORLANDO BROWN JR.
*CB DARIUS SLAY
TE DALTON SCHULTZ
S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON
LB BOBBY WAGNER
*G ISAAC SEUMALO
*ED JADEVEON CLOWNEY
QB JACOBY BRISSETT
*WR ODELL BECKHAM JR.
*CB ROCK YA-SIN
*G DALTON RISNER
*CB MARCUS PETERS
*WR D.J. CHARK JR.
*T ISAIAH WYNN
*WR ADAM THIELEN
TE MIKE GESICKI
*ED YANNICK NGAKOUE
S JULIAN LOVE
ED LEONARD FLOYD
S TAYLOR RAPP
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-100-best-a ... ree-agents
Top 20, in order. With guys I'd consider bolded/starred
*T ORLANDO BROWN JR.
*CB DARIUS SLAY
TE DALTON SCHULTZ
S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON
LB BOBBY WAGNER
*G ISAAC SEUMALO
*ED JADEVEON CLOWNEY
QB JACOBY BRISSETT
*WR ODELL BECKHAM JR.
*CB ROCK YA-SIN
*G DALTON RISNER
*CB MARCUS PETERS
*WR D.J. CHARK JR.
*T ISAIAH WYNN
*WR ADAM THIELEN
TE MIKE GESICKI
*ED YANNICK NGAKOUE
S JULIAN LOVE
ED LEONARD FLOYD
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Entirely serious. It isn't a particularly impactful position overall and my contention is that he isn't better than Sanborn was looking. More proven obviously but we were in a position where we could see what we had with the kid who'll be now riding the pine.Heinz D. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:12 pmThey're gonna put Sanborn at MLB, and Morrow on the bench.HisRoyalSweetness wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:25 pm I just don't understand bringing in two new guys on hefty contracts at that position especially given how well Sanborn played last year. It doesn't seem like a good use of resources. One yes, but two?
Well, to be fair to Poles--you do need three, yes?
But the comparison isn't Edmunds vs Sanborn really, it's Edmunds and whichever DE/DT we end up with vs Sanborn and a player we could have got with the Edmunds money.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".
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The Cooler King wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:07 pm PFF list of top 100 still available. Still are some upgrades available.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-100-best-a ... ree-agents
Top 20, in order. With guys I'd consider bolded/starred
*T ORLANDO BROWN JR.
*CB DARIUS SLAY
TE DALTON SCHULTZ
S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON
LB BOBBY WAGNER
*G ISAAC SEUMALO
*ED JADEVEON CLOWNEY
QB JACOBY BRISSETT
*WR ODELL BECKHAM JR.
*CB ROCK YA-SIN
*G DALTON RISNER
*CB MARCUS PETERS
*WR D.J. CHARK JR.
*T ISAIAH WYNN
*WR ADAM THIELEN
TE MIKE GESICKI
*ED YANNICK NGAKOUE
S JULIAN LOVE
ED LEONARD FLOYD
S TAYLOR RAPP
Doubt Poles will want to pay any of those with a long term deal.
If they’re willing to do a 1 year contract then maybe.
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Dude.malk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:09 pm Entirely serious. It isn't a particularly impactful position overall and my contention is that he isn't better than Sanborn was looking. More proven obviously but we were in a position where we could see what we had with the kid who'll be now riding the pine.
But the comparison isn't Edmunds vs Sanborn really, it's Edmunds and whichever DE/DT we end up with vs Sanborn and a player we could have got with the Edmunds money.
The plan is to have Sanborn start.
Seriously. Poles and Flus simply want to have THREE good linebackers, instead of just one. Makes sense to me, but he still coulda signed a DT, as well. Both Edmunds and Edwards played MLB...so who plays where will get sorted out in a few months.
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Wow, @thunderspirit . That's, like, a Hall of Fame caliber post. Your newfound Pony avatar is serving you well.thunderspirit wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:03 pmWHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO ASK THAT IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
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I think we play 2 LBs most of the time and Sanborn is a 20% snap count guy.
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It provides some competition to Sanborn, it’ll elevate Sanborn to even higher levels of domination
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If they're 28 or under I think he would. 29+, 1 or 2 years.Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:13 pmThe Cooler King wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:07 pm PFF list of top 100 still available. Still are some upgrades available.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-100-best-a ... ree-agents
Top 20, in order. With guys I'd consider bolded/starred
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*CB DARIUS SLAY
TE DALTON SCHULTZ
S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON
LB BOBBY WAGNER
*G ISAAC SEUMALO
*ED JADEVEON CLOWNEY
QB JACOBY BRISSETT
*WR ODELL BECKHAM JR.
*CB ROCK YA-SIN
*G DALTON RISNER
*CB MARCUS PETERS
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TE MIKE GESICKI
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S JULIAN LOVE
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Doubt Poles will want to pay any of those with a long term deal.
If they’re willing to do a 1 year contract then maybe.
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The '21 Colts D, under Eberflus, only used 3 LBs on fewer than 15% of D snaps. However, last year's Bears used 3 LBs slightly more than a third of snaps. Sanborn will not be made useless.
While I was looking this up, I noticed some interesting things. Before Smith was traded, Adams (when healthy) or Thomas played all of the Sam snaps. Then, the game before Smith was traded, Sanborn and Thomas split the Sam duties (not because Thomas was injured). Then the next game Smith is gone and Sanborn is starting at LB. A tell on the trade that I don't believe anyone remarked on at the time.
In his first games starting, Sanborn did not play 100% of snaps as Smith and Morrow had been doing. Instead, about 10%, Sanborn was replaced by DHC as a 6th DB. This had to stop when Jackson and Brisker were injured, but it's clear Bears did not trust Sanborn as a 3 down LB because he can't cover. He'll be great at Sam, and like HH will be able to take over at Mike when called upon.
All the Bears need to do to resume being a top 10 D (they were last year when they defeated Patriots), is replace Smith (done) and replace Quinn (not done).