There are some rumors out there that the Bears and Bills are working on a trade for DT Ed Oliver. Oliver fueled the fire by posting three pictures on his Instagram page: him sacking Goff, him sacking Cousins and him sack Rodgers.
Apparently he is either a one year rental or the Bears would need to extend him as he's in the last year of his deal - Bills liked him enough to pick up his 5th year option.
I'm not opposed to this if the draft capital compensation is low (5th round or lower).
Not opposed to Oliver and maybe a change of scenery would give him a spark. The guy can make plays...just there's many games that he doesn't. He's not really a pass rusher, but he can collapse the pocket.
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There has been speculation that Oliver is unhappy with contract negotiations with the Bills. He’s set to play on the last year of his rookie deal this year. That’s led some to believe whether he wants to be dealt to a team that’s more willing to give him a big contract, and whether the Bears may be that team. But Exhibit A of the “Bears trading for Oliver” caseー Oliver leaving the Bears out of his Insta storiesー was soon dashed. Hours after posting the pictures and videos of his Vikings, Packers and Lions sacks, Oliver added a video of his Justin Fields sack from last season.
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Jumpin' Jesus, another John Randle clone coming out of college who didn't exactly pan out like Randle? 14.5 sacks in 4 years, not exactly that pressure-the-QB guy the team needs. He fits the age criteria, he fits the 'hopefully entering more productive stage of his career' phase. Why do I get the feeling Poles would sign him and not take any 3T in the draft.
As has already been said - he’d be a one year rental so the trade compensation needs to reflect that. I’d give one of our two 4ths with the hope that he plays well and we choose to resign him longer term. And I think I’m in a minority on this, but I want to win games this year and I’m not solely focused on 2024. He would help for sure. It would make DE and RT our only glaring weaknesses.
Seems unlikely tho. Bills are trying to win it this year, I can’t see them giving him away for so little.
dplank wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:26 pm
As has already been said - he’d be a one year rental so the trade compensation needs to reflect that. I’d give one of our two 4ths with the hope that he plays well and we choose to resign him longer term. And I think I’m in a minority on this, but I want to win games this year and I’m not solely focused on 2024. He would help for sure. It would make DE and RT our only glaring weaknesses.
Seems unlikely tho. Bills are trying to win it this year, I can’t see them giving him away for so little.
He almost certainly would get an extension if he were traded.
Bills are of course trying to win, but know they can't keep everyone, even being as cap agressive as they are willing to be. KC was trying to win and sent away Hill, a much bigger impact player.
But all rumors seem to be from the IG story so I think this is much ado about nothing.
Am I the only person who is actively rooting for this? Ok well I’m actively rooting for this. We don’t need $40m and 10 rookies. Get some good players now. Go into the draft with a good plan for all of your key positions.
crueltyabc wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:15 pm
Am I the only person who is actively rooting for this? Ok well I’m actively rooting for this. We don’t need $40m and 10 rookies. Get some good players now. Go into the draft with a good plan for all of your key positions.
crueltyabc wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:15 pm
Am I the only person who is actively rooting for this? Ok well I’m actively rooting for this. We don’t need $40m and 10 rookies. Get some good players now. Go into the draft with a good plan for all of your key positions.
I’m right there with you sir
I"m good if it's a day three pick and would prefer a 5th.
I would definitely sign off on this. I think there's some fine-tuning that needs to be done with how the trade would work, but the possibilities are fun.
crueltyabc wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:15 pm
Am I the only person who is actively rooting for this? Ok well I’m actively rooting for this. We don’t need $40m and 10 rookies. Get some good players now. Go into the draft with a good plan for all of your key positions.
We DO need $40m to re-sign Kmet, Mooney and JJ.
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wulfy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:16 am
On the Bill's board - they are hoping to move Oliver to free up cap space to take on Hopkins - they are desperate for WR help.
Of course they are floating: Oliver + Bills pick (#27) for #9 ... lol
FWIW, Greg Gabriel has been shitting all over this on Twitter.
If you can get Oliver, #27, #59, and a 2024 2nd or 3rd round pick (or better!), hell yeah you do this trade.
And Greg Gabriel's opinions should be taken with an incredibly huge grain of salt.
wulfy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:16 am
On the Bill's board - they are hoping to move Oliver to free up cap space to take on Hopkins - they are desperate for WR help.
Of course they are floating: Oliver + Bills pick (#27) for #9 ... lol
FWIW, Greg Gabriel has been shitting all over this on Twitter.
If you can get Oliver, #27, #59, and a 2024 2nd or 3rd round pick (or better!), hell yeah you do this trade.
Yes.
And Greg Gabriel's opinions should be taken with an incredibly huge grain of salt.
Sounds like a boom or bust kinda move. We'd be betting an expensive contract extension (at not a crazy high value, since he doesn't have the numbers to justify a big deal) on him moving to 3T and being worth it.
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If you can get Oliver, #27, #59, and a 2024 2nd or 3rd round pick (or better!), hell yeah you do this trade.
Yes.
And Greg Gabriel's opinions should be taken with an incredibly huge grain of salt.
Also very much yes.
If you can come out of the first two rounds with Moore and Oliver (via trade), two new edge rushers (Adebawore & Tuipulotu?), a likely starting right tackle (Bergeron?), and the center of the future (Wypler or Schmitz?), I think you've gone from worst team in franchise history to an 8-9 win squad that should be able to make some noise in the league.
I’m not much of a Greg Gabriel fan, but I don’t disagree with his take on this.
Oliver has NOT lived up to his draft status and his stats have gone down every year. On top of that, he’s due almost $11M this year. While he would probably be an upgrade to the guys already on the roster, he’s not the game-wrecking 3T we need. If they do trade for him, I hope they don’t give up anything higher than a 5th round pick for him.
If we are going to give up draft capital for a DT with a big contract, I’d much prefer a deal for Buckner. And even then, it needs to be a day 3 pick.
Here is what I will defend on Oliver - they have him playing NT in a 3-4 defense. He's 287 pounds with 32" arms - and he's been effective enough IN WHAT THEY"VE ASKED HIM TO DO that they picked up his 5th year option.
Those are fair points, Wulfy. But we also don’t know if he would fit as a 3T in this defense, either. I’m not a Bills fan, and I don’t remember much about him coming out of college. Is there tape of him playing 3T?
wulfy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:59 am
Here is what I will defend on Oliver - they have him playing NT in a 3-4 defense. He's 287 pounds with 32" arms - and he's been effective enough IN WHAT THEY"VE ASKED HIM TO DO that they picked up his 5th year option.
It's ridiculous. That guy's about 30 pounds too light to play nose but still making plays. And as far as the money and Buckner goes, I'd sooner roll the dice with an ascending 25 year old than overpay in both trade assets and cap space for a near-30 year old who may be entering the end of their prowess. But I see why people want Buckner, obviously, it's more a matter of team-building philosophy than anything.
wulfy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:59 am
Here is what I will defend on Oliver - they have him playing NT in a 3-4 defense. He's 287 pounds with 32" arms - and he's been effective enough IN WHAT THEY"VE ASKED HIM TO DO that they picked up his 5th year option.
And as far as the money and Buckner goes, I'd sooner roll the dice with an ascending 25 year old than overpay in both trade assets and cap space for a near-30 year old who may be entering the end of their prowess. But I see why people want Buckner, obviously, it's more a matter of team-building philosophy than anything.
Can't "neither" be an option?
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wulfy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:59 am
Here is what I will defend on Oliver - they have him playing NT in a 3-4 defense. He's 287 pounds with 32" arms - and he's been effective enough IN WHAT THEY"VE ASKED HIM TO DO that they picked up his 5th year option.
The Bills run a 4-3, man. He's not used as a 2-gapping NT.
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wulfy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:59 am
Here is what I will defend on Oliver - they have him playing NT in a 3-4 defense. He's 287 pounds with 32" arms - and he's been effective enough IN WHAT THEY"VE ASKED HIM TO DO that they picked up his 5th year option.
The Bills run a 4-3, man. He's not used as a 2-gapping NT.
If so, I stand corrected. Reading the Bills board it consistently talked about his lining up in the gap at NT.
