Kipers latest mock

[dplank]

He has Carter going 6th to the Lions. Tyree Wilson drops to us, but he has us taking Paris over him and Wilson goes at 11.

Curious what you all think but IMO if Wilson is there at 9 I think we should take him.

[LacertineForest]

He has Carter going 6th to the Lions. Tyree Wilson drops to us, but he has us taking Paris over him and Wilson goes at 11.

Curious what you all think but IMO if Wilson is there at 9 I think we should take him.

I'd be surprised if that happens, but I would also be thrilled. I'd absolutely take Wilson in that scenario.

[Noots]

Having the choice between PJJ and Tyree Wilson. That’s a pretty great problem to have.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Trade to 10 with the Eagles and let them choose

[thunderspirit]

He has Carter going 6th to the Lions. Tyree Wilson drops to us, but he has us taking Paris over him and Wilson goes at 11.

Curious what you all think but IMO if Wilson is there at 9 I think we should take him.

Assuming he clears the medicals, absolutely.

[thefish7]

I would take Wilson. He just canceled his pro day due to the removal of offseason surgery. If that causes him to fall to us, I'll throw a party.

[wulfy]

He has Carter going 6th to the Lions. Tyree Wilson drops to us, but he has us taking Paris over him and Wilson goes at 11.

Curious what you all think but IMO if Wilson is there at 9 I think we should take him.

Assuming he clears the medicals, absolutely.

This.

Foot injuries in large men scare the crap out of me.

If he checks out, he checks all the boxes.

[o-pus #40 in B major]

Assuming he clears the medicals, absolutely.

This.

Foot injuries in large men scare the crap out of me.

If he checks out, he checks all the boxes.

I favor this approach to Wilson.

[Moriarty]

Gonzalez is a stud waiting to happen.


That could also be the pick at 9.
Was he gone or available in Kiper?

[Grizzled]

He has Gonzalez and Witherspoon going 7 and 8. I favor taking Wilson if his foot absolutely pans out. Wilson suffered a season-ending foot injury on Nov. 12 in a game against Kansas and underwent surgery to fix it on Nov. 21. He recently had hardware removed from the surgically repaired foot. Renowned foot specialist Robert Anderson, his doc, sent a letter to all NFL teams medically clearing him. He missed his pro day because his stitches were healing.

[Yogi da Bear]

This.

Foot injuries in large men scare the crap out of me.

If he checks out, he checks all the boxes.

I favor this approach to Wilson.

I don't know. I like Wilson, but the foot injury really scares. I think first of David Terrell's foot that lingered forever. I think of White's shin that killed his career. I think of Chrissie Williams' back. Jenkins' too. It worries me to draft an injured player in the Top 10. But particularly one with a foot injury. That just scares the hell out of me. Coming out, Terrell was medically cleared from his collegiate stress fracture in his foot, but it was broken again in his second year.

I could get behind Wilson's drafting if he's medically cleared, but I'd still be really concerned. I think of Poles' treatment of Ogun last year and have to wonder if he'd be willing to risk it.

[The Marshall Plan]

Drafting a RT at 9 would annoy the living shit out of me.

If Paris Johnson is going to be our LT of the future, then I welcome that.

But if we're going to anoint Braxton Jones our LT, then I want Bijan Robinson at 9 and am all-in on the Super Duper Offense.

I do not see how a RT at 9 provides more value for the pick than a guy who would be electric in this offense.

A Marshall Faulk style guy with an effective passing game in front of him to keep the defense honest would dominate here.

[Heinz D.]

Drafting a RT at 9 would annoy the living shit out of me.

If Paris Johnson is going to be our LT of the future, then I welcome that.

But if we're going to anoint Braxton Jones our LT, then I want Bijan Robinson at 9 and am all-in on the Super Duper Offense.

I do not see how a RT at 9 provides more value for the pick than a guy who would be electric in this offense.

A Marshall Faulk style guy with an effective passing game in front of him to keep the defense honest would dominate here.

I wouldn't mind Robinson being the pick at all. But I do think that if it came down to Wilson or Robinson, Poles would probably take Wilson.

And I also do think Wilson will be DE3...so he'll likely be there at #9...

[dplank]

Drafting a RT at 9 would annoy the living shit out of me.

If Paris Johnson is going to be our LT of the future, then I welcome that.

But if we're going to anoint Braxton Jones our LT, then I want Bijan Robinson at 9 and am all-in on the Super Duper Offense.

I do not see how a RT at 9 provides more value for the pick than a guy who would be electric in this offense.

A Marshall Faulk style guy with an effective passing game in front of him to keep the defense honest would dominate here.

Disagree here bud. For this offense to progress to a seriously dangerous level, we need to pass more. The RT position was a sieve last year and will be again if we don't address it. We don't have a need at RB either, I really like Foreman/Herbert combo and don't see Robinson giving us much lift honestly. He's probably better, but those two guys we have are gonna do damage and JF1 will run a lot also, which minimizes the need for a volume back like Robinson.

So I think a RT gives not just a little, but a LOT more benefit to our offense than a RB does. We can't expect Fields to progress the way we want as a passer if the pass protection is as awful as it was last year. He's loaded with weapons now, that's solved, so let's address the last big problem we have which is RT not RB.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Leatherwood will be the stud RT

[dplank]

Leatherwood will be the stud RT

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

Leatherwood will be the stud RT

[Heinz D.]

I really like Foreman/Herbert combo and don't see Robinson giving us much lift honestly. He's probably better, but those two guys we have are gonna do damage and JF1 will run a lot also, which minimizes the need for a volume back like Robinson.

Sorry, dude.

@The Marshall Plan is absolutely right. Adding Robinson would instantly make the offense scary--for the opponent. And that's the first time I think I will have seen that in my lifetime. And, I'm 56 years old.

Does that mean that I think Poles should go in that direction, or will?

No, and no. But @The Marshall Plan totally has a good point. And if Poles end up listening to TMP, I will not be, in any way, pissed off...

[o-pus #40 in B major]

The only problem I can see is too many skill position players with elite ceilings on the Bears offense.

[IE]

Right tackles matter. The only difference between left tackle and right tackle on a team with a mobile dynamic running QB is, they are on different sides. JF1 isn't a right handed pocket QB with a constant need to protect his blind side. JF1 needs two good athletic mobile tackles.

Lions drafted Sewell and the thinking was he was the top LT and he would play on the left of course. BUT no - he's on the right on one of the better Oline in the league. And it is fine.

[crueltyabc]

Poles needs to grab Wilson but he’ll also need to have a trade partner ready so he can get back up into the early second and grab Matthew Bergeron or Darnell Wright.

[The Marshall Plan]

Right tackles matter. The only difference between left tackle and right tackle on a team with a mobile dynamic running QB is, they are on different sides. JF1 isn't a right handed pocket QB with a constant need to protect his blind side. JF1 needs two good athletic mobile tackles.

Lions drafted Sewell and the thinking was he was the top LT and he would play on the left of course. BUT no - he's on the right on one of the better Oline in the league. And it is fine.

The Lions drafted a RT at #7 overall. That's not an effective use of a draft pick. Sewell was a bust at LT who happened to become a successful RT. The Lions do deserve credit for salvaging the pick, but they overdrafted the need.

I'll admit to you guys that wanting to take a RB at 9 is contradictory to quite a few things I've repeatedly said on this board over the years.

This is why I'm contradicting myself and discussing a different way:

1) Poles botched FA. The DL was not addressed with any meaningful personnel. He still has the money to do something, but nothing has happened.
2) It is unrealistic to expect Poles to fix that DL in the draft. I mean seriously if anybody thinks we can get 3 starters (or impact players) on the DL from this draft you're weirder than I am for wanting to take a RB at 9.
3) Our secondary is good. Our LBs are going to be good. But because we aren't going to be pressuring the QB anytime soon the defense is ultimately going to fail. If a defense cannot pressure the QB it is going to collapse. There's no way around that.

So given that, that's why I'm advocating for the Super Duper Offense. Let's try and score 40 points per game.

That's a similar vibe that I'm getting from you guys it's just that you're going about it a different way. OK, let's build the OL first. Where I agree with you is that if we're drafting a LT at 9 overall then that makes sense. Where I don't see the argument is drafting a tackle at 9 overall who cannot even compete with a fifth round draft choice from last year, Braxton Jones.

Personally, I think that if the Bears do draft Paris Johnson it's going to be obvious who the superior talent is and they'll move Jones over to RT. Johnson is your typical blue chip, big school, high performing guy that played in real games and was successful. That's a left tackle.

But either way, I think the strategy for this season is to score 40 because our defense is going to suck again.

[dplank]

I genuinely believe that a good RT helps us score 40 per game more than Robinson would. And I don’t think it’s even close honestly.

[wab]

Right tackles matter. The only difference between left tackle and right tackle on a team with a mobile dynamic running QB is, they are on different sides. JF1 isn't a right handed pocket QB with a constant need to protect his blind side. JF1 needs two good athletic mobile tackles.

Lions drafted Sewell and the thinking was he was the top LT and he would play on the left of course. BUT no - he's on the right on one of the better Oline in the league. And it is fine.

The Lions drafted a RT at #7 overall. That's not an effective use of a draft pick. Sewell was a bust at LT who happened to become a successful RT. The Lions do deserve credit for salvaging the pick, but they overdrafted the need.

I'll admit to you guys that wanting to take a RB at 9 is contradictory to quite a few things I've repeatedly said on this board over the years.

This is why I'm contradicting myself and discussing a different way:

1) Poles botched FA. The DL was not addressed with any meaningful personnel. He still has the money to do something, but nothing has happened.
2) It is unrealistic to expect Poles to fix that DL in the draft. I mean seriously if anybody thinks we can get 3 starters (or impact players) on the DL from this draft you're weirder than I am for wanting to take a RB at 9.
3) Our secondary is good. Our LBs are going to be good. But because we aren't going to be pressuring the QB anytime soon the defense is ultimately going to fail. If a defense cannot pressure the QB it is going to collapse. There's no way around that.

So given that, that's why I'm advocating for the Super Duper Offense. Let's try and score 40 points per game.

That's a similar vibe that I'm getting from you guys it's just that you're going about it a different way. OK, let's build the OL first. Where I agree with you is that if we're drafting a LT at 9 overall then that makes sense. Where I don't see the argument is drafting a tackle at 9 overall who cannot even compete with a fifth round draft choice from last year, Braxton Jones.

Personally, I think that if the Bears do draft Paris Johnson it's going to be obvious who the superior talent is and they'll move Jones over to RT. Johnson is your typical blue chip, big school, high performing guy that played in real games and was successful. That's a left tackle.

But either way, I think the strategy for this season is to score 40 because our defense is going to suck again.

Jones has been a more successful LT in the NFL than Paris Johnson.

[The Marshall Plan]

The Lions drafted a RT at #7 overall. That's not an effective use of a draft pick. Sewell was a bust at LT who happened to become a successful RT. The Lions do deserve credit for salvaging the pick, but they overdrafted the need.

I'll admit to you guys that wanting to take a RB at 9 is contradictory to quite a few things I've repeatedly said on this board over the years.

This is why I'm contradicting myself and discussing a different way:

1) Poles botched FA. The DL was not addressed with any meaningful personnel. He still has the money to do something, but nothing has happened.
2) It is unrealistic to expect Poles to fix that DL in the draft. I mean seriously if anybody thinks we can get 3 starters (or impact players) on the DL from this draft you're weirder than I am for wanting to take a RB at 9.
3) Our secondary is good. Our LBs are going to be good. But because we aren't going to be pressuring the QB anytime soon the defense is ultimately going to fail. If a defense cannot pressure the QB it is going to collapse. There's no way around that.

So given that, that's why I'm advocating for the Super Duper Offense. Let's try and score 40 points per game.

That's a similar vibe that I'm getting from you guys it's just that you're going about it a different way. OK, let's build the OL first. Where I agree with you is that if we're drafting a LT at 9 overall then that makes sense. Where I don't see the argument is drafting a tackle at 9 overall who cannot even compete with a fifth round draft choice from last year, Braxton Jones.

Personally, I think that if the Bears do draft Paris Johnson it's going to be obvious who the superior talent is and they'll move Jones over to RT. Johnson is your typical blue chip, big school, high performing guy that played in real games and was successful. That's a left tackle.

But either way, I think the strategy for this season is to score 40 because our defense is going to suck again.

Jones has been a more successful LT in the NFL than Paris Johnson.

?

Mitch has been a more successful QB in the NFL than any of the top 4 QBs being discussed.

[Ditka’s dictaphone]

I genuinely believe that a good RT helps us score 40 per game more than Robinson would. And I don’t think it’s even close honestly.

Leatherwood

[RichH55]

Sewell - I don't believe he was a bust at LT.

And drafting a very good OT (not OG) in the Top Ten - is a good use of a draft pick.

[dplank]

Jones has been a more successful LT in the NFL than Paris Johnson.

?

Mitch has been a more successful QB in the NFL than any of the top 4 QBs being discussed.

He's got you there wab.

[IE]

Sewell - I don't believe he was a bust at LT.

And drafting a very good OT (not OG) in the Top Ten - is a good use of a draft pick.

Right. Just because Decker is good doesn't make Sewell bad. I dislike exaggeration like that. The Lions have a really good Oline - and it would be wise to undertake their OTs are a big reason why.

Yes - use of a top ten pick on a OT is very good use of draft capital.

[RichH55]

Right tackles matter. The only difference between left tackle and right tackle on a team with a mobile dynamic running QB is, they are on different sides. JF1 isn't a right handed pocket QB with a constant need to protect his blind side. JF1 needs two good athletic mobile tackles.

Lions drafted Sewell and the thinking was he was the top LT and he would play on the left of course. BUT no - he's on the right on one of the better Oline in the league. And it is fine.

Personally, I think that if the Bears do draft Paris Johnson it's going to be obvious who the superior talent is and they'll move Jones over to RT. Johnson is your typical blue chip, big school, high performing guy that played in real games and was successful. That's a left tackle.

This also describes Leatherwood and Gabe Carimi