Tyson Bagent Discussion: Hero or Zero

[G08]

Been a minute, hope you all have been well!

Wanted to get the board's thoughts on this young gunslinger:

I'm a fan from the (admittedly) little I've seen of him. Last week it was accurate off platform throws with shoulders squared to the target, ability to move and athleticism. Training camp reports have been positive as well.

I dunno, he won't be QB3 / emergency but I would at minimum want him on the practice squad and if he develops well, QB2 next year?

Fun facts: the kid is the NCAA’s all-time leader across all divisions in career touchdown passes (159) and his old man will beat you in arm wrestling (except @UOK) IYKYK

[The Marshall Plan]

Does Jack Sanborn know you made this thread?

[G08]

Does Jack Sanborn know you made this thread?

He does not.

Jack SanGOD does, however

[HisRoyalSweetness]

I'm a fan from the (admittedly) little I've seen of him. Last week it was accurate off platform throws with shoulders squared to the target, ability to move and athleticism. Training camp reports have been positive as well.

I dunno, he won't be QB3 / emergency but I would at minimum want him on the practice squad and if he develops well, QB2 next year?

I just posted it in the Training Camp thread, but in Swift's report from the second joint practice he says that Bagent is now ahead of Peterman and also that PJ Walker is continuing to perform poorly.

It certainly feels like there's an opportunity there for Bagent. With Fields definitely not playing tomorrow and unlikely to in the final preseason game the other QBs will get extra playing time. As unlikely as it seemed earlier this year, there's a real opportunity for Bagent to force the Bears into keeping him on the 53 man roster.

This is what Mark Potash had to say about him today over at the Sun Times :

The unheralded, undrafted rookie from Division II Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W. Va. has not looked out of place in an NFL camp. In fact, he’s arguably shown the greatest grasp of Luke Getsy’s offense among the back-up quarterbacks. He’s still a long-shot, but has earned the better look.

I'm not a fan of Walker and if Bagent outperforms him then veteran experience (all of 7 starts) be damned.

As far as I'm concerned a team only has two sensible options when it comes to a backup QB:

• A quality veteran backup with a reasonable record who gives you a chance to stay on track if you're a genuine contender and your starter is out for a few games or can help support a young QB (the Minshew and yes, Trubisky, types)

• A young developmental prospect who's on a cheap contract and might just amount to something

I have no interest in the likes of Walker and Peterman who've been in the league a few years and had a few opportunities but been unable to take advantage of them. I'd sooner take a gamble on an unknown quantity if they flash some potential.

[Bearfacts]

This years Brock Purdy? Division II or not in order to accomplish what he did and dominate at that level he has to know how to play his position and pass accurately. I'm kinda shocked Walker isn't doing better than he is but if it gives this kid his shot I'm all for it. Hell at one time Kurt Warner was bagging groceries. I hope Bagent gets his shot.

[The Marshall Plan]

This years Brock Purdy? Division II or not in order to accomplish what he did and dominate at that level he has to know how to play his position and pass accurately. I'm kinda shocked Walker isn't doing better than he is but if it gives this kid his shot I'm all for it. Hell at one time Kurt Warner was bagging groceries. I hope Bagent gets his shot.

This is also why a revolving door at backup QB is a good thing. You can get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle. I know that's a premature statement with Bagent, but my point still stands.

That's another thing that frustrated me with McNagy. We got Chase Daniel and then Nick Foles. Then let's not forget Andy Dalton who wound up being a glorified backup.

I don't think Pace ever drafted a backup QB. LOL unless if you count Mitch.

Every two years we should be drafting a QB.

Worst case scenario you never need him (Is that really a bad thing? I say no.). Best case scenario he's really good and you can trade him for picks.

[thunderspirit]

I was intrigued with how Bagent would look at the Senior Bowl, and he looked like he belonged. I was up for spending Travis Bell's pick on him, so landing him as a UDFA was a good move to me.

I'd love to see him be QB3 on the team, with Peterman doing the Practice Squad Shuffle.

[RichH55]

I was intrigued with how Bagent would look at the Senior Bowl, and he looked like he belonged. I was up for spending Travis Bell's pick on him, so landing him as a UDFA was a good move to me.

I'd love to see him be QB3 on the team, with Peterman doing the Practice Squad Shuffle.

Ugh - this put Lido Shuffle in my head - Not even a Top 5 Shuffle for me

[HisRoyalSweetness]

Every two years we should be drafting a QB.

Worst case scenario you never need him (Is that really a bad thing? I say no.). Best case scenario he's really good and you can trade him for picks.

Nah, best case scenario is he proves better than your Pro Bowl QB, you trade the latter for a first round pick and you win 6 championships with the former.

[The Marshall Plan]

Every two years we should be drafting a QB.

Worst case scenario you never need him (Is that really a bad thing? I say no.). Best case scenario he's really good and you can trade him for picks.

Nah, best case scenario is he proves better than your Pro Bowl QB, you trade the latter for a first round pick and you win 6 championships with the former.

LOL, was there somebody specific you had in mind with that?

[IE]

This is also why a revolving door at backup QB is a good thing. You can get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle. I know that's a premature statement with Bagent, but my point still stands.

That's another thing that frustrated me with McNagy. We got Chase Daniel and then Nick Foles. Then let's not forget Andy Dalton who wound up being a glorified backup.

I don't think Pace ever drafted a backup QB. LOL unless if you count Mitch.

Every two years we should be drafting a QB.

Worst case scenario you never need him (Is that really a bad thing? I say no.). Best case scenario he's really good and you can trade him for picks.

Great post. Totally true.

Everyone knows that Bagent being successful in the NFL is a long shot - especially just relying on the the basic high level facts (UDFA, Div2, no big college offers) and ignoring - you know - how he actually looks on the field playing. It is a fact that it does occasionally happen that a guy like that slips through the cracks. And it isn't just nobody / JAGs that do... some very big names have been passed over by the entire league for the most part, until they got their opportunity. Enough to dismiss any suggestions that UDFA are all considered throwaway. And personally I don't think UDFA is that much different than 7th or 6th round flyers on a QB who might develop. Teams need to be on the lookout and give young guys a shot. It doesn't take long to see that a guy belongs. But you never see if if you don't give guys a shot.

Sanborn made the team last year as UDFA simply because he put too much good play on tape during preseason, and even if they would have liked to keep another experienced LB as well, Sanborn would not have cleared waivers to get onto the PS. We even have another example of this on our team within the last year.

[Bears Whiskey Nut]

Apparently Fields is not playing in the Colts game. Flus and Getsy saw everything they needed to in the scrimmage/practice against them this week. So I am HOPING that we get to see a lot of Walker and Bagent. My guess is that Walker plays at least the entire first half. Trying to get the overthrows under control. The second half will be Peterman's and Bagent's. I want to see how Bagent looks over a couple of good series.

[IE]

Apparently Fields is not playing in the Colts game. Flus and Getsy saw everything they needed to in the scrimmage/practice against them this week. So I am HOPING that we get to see a lot of Walker and Bagent. My guess is that Walker plays at least the entire first half. Trying to get the overthrows under control. The second half will be Peterman's and Bagent's. I want to see how Bagent looks over a couple of good series.

I hope PJ doesn't get an entire half. He is a known thing for the most part. So is Peterman. I hope they each get a quarter and I'd love for Bagent to get a half.

Put him on his new bike with no training wheels, push him down the driveway & see how he does. Maybe/hopefully he'll do great & even show off a bit. Maybe he'll be wobbly at times but still look like he'll eventually be able to ride well. And maybe he'll panic or do something stupid and fall over & skin his knee. Any way it goes, that's what I really want to watch tonight & not those other guys.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

I'd rather Peterman doesn't see the field at all. What's the point? He was with the team last year, so he knows the offense and the coaches know him and his capabilities. In fact they know him so well the GM went out and brought in Walker. He offers nothing but a camp arm. Why waste valuable time playing and evaluation time on him?

Walker clearly needs all the practice he can get because all the reports have been that he's been poor in camp and he didn't have a good game against the Titans.

Bagent simply needs more opportunity to show what he can do so the GM and coaches can determine whether he's got genuine potential or not.

Give them a half each, or better still rotate them each quarter so Bagent gets to play with and against a better standard of player instead of just the scrubs.

[IE]

I'd rather Peterman doesn't see the field at all. What's the point? He was with the team last year, so he knows the offense and the coaches know him and his capabilities. In fact they know him so well the GM went out and brought in Walker. He offers nothing but a camp arm. Why waste valuable time playing and evaluation time on him?

Walker clearly needs all the practice he can get because all the reports have been that he's been poor in camp and he didn't have a good game against the Titans.

Bagent simply needs more opportunity to show what he can do so the GM and coaches can determine whether he's got genuine potential or not.

Give them a half each, or better still rotate them each quarter so Bagent gets to play with and against a better standard of player instead of just the scrubs.

No disagreement here.

[RichH55]

I'd rather Peterman doesn't see the field at all. What's the point? He was with the team last year, so he knows the offense and the coaches know him and his capabilities. In fact they know him so well the GM went out and brought in Walker. He offers nothing but a camp arm. Why waste valuable time playing and evaluation time on him?

Walker clearly needs all the practice he can get because all the reports have been that he's been poor in camp and he didn't have a good game against the Titans.

Bagent simply needs more opportunity to show what he can do so the GM and coaches can determine whether he's got genuine potential or not.

Give them a half each, or better still rotate them each quarter so Bagent gets to play with and against a better standard of player instead of just the scrubs.

This is spot on

I also don't completely buy that PJ Walker is a sure thing for the roster

[bearsfaninaz]

I feel if Walker continues to struggle as he has in camp, just throw Bagent out there against same competition and see how he fares. If he plays well then following week Walker and Peterman can fight for the 3rd spot

[The Grizzly One]

I'd rather Peterman doesn't see the field at all. What's the point? He was with the team last year, so he knows the offense and the coaches know him and his capabilities. In fact they know him so well the GM went out and brought in Walker. He offers nothing but a camp arm. Why waste valuable time playing and evaluation time on him?

Walker clearly needs all the practice he can get because all the reports have been that he's been poor in camp and he didn't have a good game against the Titans.

Bagent simply needs more opportunity to show what he can do so the GM and coaches can determine whether he's got genuine potential or not.

Give them a half each, or better still rotate them each quarter so Bagent gets to play with and against a better standard of player instead of just the scrubs.

It's preseason. I liked what the Titans did with rotating them. Do it Flus.

[G08]

I'd rather Peterman doesn't see the field at all. What's the point? He was with the team last year, so he knows the offense and the coaches know him and his capabilities. In fact they know him so well the GM went out and brought in Walker. He offers nothing but a camp arm. Why waste valuable time playing and evaluation time on him?

Walker clearly needs all the practice he can get because all the reports have been that he's been poor in camp and he didn't have a good game against the Titans.

Bagent simply needs more opportunity to show what he can do so the GM and coaches can determine whether he's got genuine potential or not.

Give them a half each, or better still rotate them each quarter so Bagent gets to play with and against a better standard of player instead of just the scrubs.

Agreed 100%, give PJ Walker a half and Tyson Bagent the other.

[The Marshall Plan]

I'd rather Peterman doesn't see the field at all. What's the point? He was with the team last year, so he knows the offense and the coaches know him and his capabilities. In fact they know him so well the GM went out and brought in Walker. He offers nothing but a camp arm. Why waste valuable time playing and evaluation time on him?

Walker clearly needs all the practice he can get because all the reports have been that he's been poor in camp and he didn't have a good game against the Titans.

Bagent simply needs more opportunity to show what he can do so the GM and coaches can determine whether he's got genuine potential or not.

Give them a half each, or better still rotate them each quarter so Bagent gets to play with and against a better standard of player instead of just the scrubs.

Absolutely.

[o-pus #40 in B major]

Starting QB's do get dinged and they often need time to heal during the looong season and for that reason I believe that a decent backup can be a part of taking over the North and staying on top. So let's see what they've got and may the best man win the position.

[The Marshall Plan]

This is also why a revolving door at backup QB is a good thing. You can get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle. I know that's a premature statement with Bagent, but my point still stands.

That's another thing that frustrated me with McNagy. We got Chase Daniel and then Nick Foles. Then let's not forget Andy Dalton who wound up being a glorified backup.

I don't think Pace ever drafted a backup QB. LOL unless if you count Mitch.

Every two years we should be drafting a QB.

Worst case scenario you never need him (Is that really a bad thing? I say no.). Best case scenario he's really good and you can trade him for picks.

Great post. Totally true.

Everyone knows that Bagent being successful in the NFL is a long shot - especially just relying on the the basic high level facts (UDFA, Div2, no big college offers) and ignoring - you know - how he actually looks on the field playing. It is a fact that it does occasionally happen that a guy like that slips through the cracks. And it isn't just nobody / JAGs that do... some very big names have been passed over by the entire league for the most part, until they got their opportunity. Enough to dismiss any suggestions that UDFA are all considered throwaway. And personally I don't think UDFA is that much different than 7th or 6th round flyers on a QB who might develop. Teams need to be on the lookout and give young guys a shot. It doesn't take long to see that a guy belongs. But you never see if if you don't give guys a shot.

Sanborn made the team last year as UDFA simply because he put too much good play on tape during preseason, and even if they would have liked to keep another experienced LB as well, Sanborn would not have cleared waivers to get onto the PS. We even have another example of this on our team within the last year.

This topic is another example of why Poles is an upgrade.

[Moriarty]

I don't agree with the notion of "we know what Peterson is". From what?

He's had all of 5 career starts.
4 were in his first 2 years in the league. He threw a ton of picks.
4 yrs later he got 1 more start, for a terrible team (2022 Bears) and was better and didn't throw a bunch of picks.

No, he's not 'promising' or 'valuable' or 'a good bet' or anything. But is it really that hard to imagine that 5 years later, he's grown into something serviceable? I remember him looking really sharp in the first preseason game for his turn.
I see no reason not to have a little interest in seeing him play some more, too, and see where it goes.

He definitely could end up looking like the 4th best option, but he could very easily end up looking like the 2nd best, too.

[Rusty Trombagent]

Having a thread laughing at bears fan's tendency to grossly overvalue camp bodies, and then a second thread hand winging that somebody's gonna sign our UDFA D2 QB to their active roster if we risk putting him on the practice squad has made my day.

[Arkansasbear]

Having a thread laughing at bears fan's tendency to grossly overvalue camp bodies, and then a second thread hand winging that somebody's gonna sign our UDFA D2 QB to their active roster if we risk putting him on the practice squad has made my day.

Don’t know if it’s likely. I just wish there was a roster spot for your third QB. Heck, you’d think the player’s association would be all over it. One more guy getting a good check each week. One more guy paying dues.

[The Grizzly One]

Having a thread laughing at bears fan's tendency to grossly overvalue camp bodies, and then a second thread hand winging that somebody's gonna sign our UDFA D2 QB to their active roster if we risk putting him on the practice squad has made my day.

Well, if he doesn't prove worthy and is instead the next Caleb Hannie.

If Walker proves to be what he's shown himself all preseason, indeed all his NFL career.

If the Bears don't get a different vet QB and then Fields get hurt for a few games while we watch this season go down the tubes. That will NOT make my day.

Will that make you as giddy as a school girl laughing at us that are hoping for Agent Bagent?

Does the Bears being bad make you happy?

[The Marshall Plan]

Having a thread laughing at bears fan's tendency to grossly overvalue camp bodies, and then a second thread hand winging that somebody's gonna sign our UDFA D2 QB to their active roster if we risk putting him on the practice squad has made my day.

Well yeah. That’s why we come here.

[Rusty Trombagent]

Does the Bears being bad make you happy?

The sun rises in the East, taxes are due in April, the bears play bad football. It's just another way the universe lets me know I haven't kicked the bucket yet.

[G08]

I didn't mean for this thread to make it seem like this kid is going to make the team, let alone be QB2.

I just think there is talent there and not only did he look good last week, he's been doing well in practice.

Good size, good arm, athletic, he'll hit the quick hitter smoke route better than Justin last week. I don't think you have to alter the scheme or approach if he needed to play.

[The Grizzly One]

Does the Bears being bad make you happy?

The sun rises in the East, taxes are due in April, the bears play bad football. It's just another way the universe lets me know I haven't kicked the bucket yet.

I remember 1985 very well. It will come again.

This team reminds me of the 1984 Bears. Fuller sucked.