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I think Penix is going to end up in the 30-50 pick range.

As far as Williams goes...my gut tells me he doesn't declare.
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wab wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:27 am I think Penix is going to end up in the 30-50 pick range.

As far as Williams goes...my gut tells me he doesn't declare.
Agree with this
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wab wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:27 am I think Penix is going to end up in the 30-50 pick range.

As far as Williams goes...my gut tells me he doesn't declare.
The Bears will just have to go 1-16 again next year, then, I guess.
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LacertineForest wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:49 pm
wab wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:27 am I think Penix is going to end up in the 30-50 pick range.

As far as Williams goes...my gut tells me he doesn't declare.
The Bears will just have to go 1-16 again next year, then, I guess.
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Pretty interesting rumor floating about:

. ProFootballTalk is reporting that Caleb Williams wants NFL ownership in the team that drafts him next Spring. There are a lot of problems with that. However it would concern me that Caleb Williams wants NFL ownership.

https://espnswfl.com/2023/10/18/caleb-w ... ownership/

This guy is really looking like a diva now.
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Otis Day wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:18 am Pretty interesting rumor floating about:

. ProFootballTalk is reporting that Caleb Williams wants NFL ownership in the team that drafts him next Spring. There are a lot of problems with that. However it would concern me that Caleb Williams wants NFL ownership.

https://espnswfl.com/2023/10/18/caleb-w ... ownership/

This guy is really looking like a diva now.
This was speculation based on something stupid his dad said. I don't think it should be taken too seriously. Just another implied threat to dogshit organizations like the Bears to not bother drafting him.
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Is it true that Williams said he wants a % share of the franchise ownership from the team that drafts him?
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dplank wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 pm Is it true that Williams said he wants a % share of the franchise ownership from the team that drafts him?
Don't believe that's even legal/allowable under NFL rules.
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He can want that, but it's not allowed.
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Why do I get bad vibes from this dude?
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I’d actually be in favour of drafting him now, if only to dilute the muppets currently owning the bears.
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wab wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:07 pm Why do I get bad vibes from this dude?
I think it's a LaVar Ball sort off thing. The kid doesn't seem ro come off that way at all.

But of course you never really know.
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dplank wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 pm Is it true that Williams said he wants a % share of the franchise ownership from the team that drafts him?
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An LA sportswriter who covers USC was on the SCORE yesterday. I can't remember whose show, but they asked him if Williams' dad was a LaVar Ball wannabe. The writer said the he did not get that impression from the father. He also said that he really didn't get that impression from Williams. He did state he felt Williams was tiring of the media and he was talking less and less during his media times.
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Otis Day wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:25 am An LA sportswriter who covers USC was on the SCORE yesterday. I can't remember whose show, but they asked him if Williams' dad was a LaVar Ball wannabe. The writer said the he did not get that impression from the father. He also said that he really didn't get that impression from Williams. He did state he felt Williams was tiring of the media and he was talking less and less during his media times.
Yeah, I think it's just a symptom of the world we live in now, where nothing is really vetted and everything is constantly being disseminated. This whole thread was started by an article that quoted a twitter parody account! It should be locked because it's still being respected as a possibility.
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Both Lance Briggs and Kyle Long have come out and said Williams has has too many traits which are similar to those of Fields in college. They both think the Bears should roll with Fields next year and draft OL and Marvin Harrison then go with a QB in '25 if Fields fails. There may be riots in Chicago if this were to happen.
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I *almost* hope that the Bears end up picking like 3rd and 5th. That would net them MHJ at 3 and either a bevy of picks in a trade down from 5, or Fashanu. As much as I have stanned for Braxton, Fashanu reminds me of Walter Jones.
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Grizzled wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:42 am Both Lance Briggs and Kyle Long have come out and said Williamas has too many traits which are similar to those of Fields in college. They both think the Bears should roll with Fields next year and draft OL and Marvin Harrison then go with a QB in '25 if Fields fails. There may be riots in Chicago if this were to happen.
I agree with them, he is not an upgrade on Fields.
This is not the QB you’re looking for.
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wab wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:25 am I *almost* hope that the Bears end up picking like 3rd and 5th. That would net them MHJ at 3 and either a bevy of picks in a trade down from 5, or Fashanu. As much as I have stanned for Braxton, Fashanu reminds me of Walter Jones.
I would be more upset missing out on MHJ than I would Williams.
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I could do another year with Fields, honestly. I don't love the idea of pairing him with yet another offensive coordinator, but it makes more sense to use our top picks on (hopefully) MHJ and a gold star offensive or defensive lineman and take a flier on a 2nd/3rd round quarterback.
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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:08 pm
Grizzled wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:42 am Both Lance Briggs and Kyle Long have come out and said Williamas has too many traits which are similar to those of Fields in college. They both think the Bears should roll with Fields next year and draft OL and Marvin Harrison then go with a QB in '25 if Fields fails. There may be riots in Chicago if this were to happen.
I agree with them, he is not an upgrade on Fields.
This is not the QB you’re looking for.

Hopefully Poles doesn't fall for hype this offseason:

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I see them as different things. Age is relevant when viewing his performance right now since he's older than the kids he's playing against - at that age that matters (less so in the NFL obviously, it reverses at a point where older is worse than younger). Injuries are a second problem, a different one entirely, that goes towards into his NFL career / availability forecast.
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Caleb Williams does not appear to be As Advertised and Drake Maye's last two games have not been good.

Bo Nix just destroys everything he sees. That's who I pick if we have a second rounder and are in the market for a QB. TD : INT Ratio of 35 to 2 right now.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... elog/2023/
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JJ McCarthy is making a strong case as the first guy off the board.
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I'll plant my flag on the Jayden Daniels hill over anyone not named Drake Maye or Caleb Williams.
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thunderspirit wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:27 pm I'll plant my flag on the Jayden Daniels hill over anyone not named Drake Maye or Caleb Williams.
Daniels is certainly putting up impressive numbers. But is he another version of Fields? Need to wait until the season's over and every aspect of a QB's existence gets picked apart to see that minutia.
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The Marshall Plan wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:13 pm Caleb Williams does not appear to be As Advertised and Drake Maye's last two games have not been good.

Bo Nix just destroys everything he sees. That's who I pick if we have a second rounder and are in the market for a QB. TD : INT Ratio of 35 to 2 right now.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... elog/2023/
A bit of worry I have with Nix is that he’s playing out of his mind, but pretty much everything around him is perfect. He faces no pressure. 5 sacks on the year. He has two home run hitters on the outside in Troy Franklin and Tez Johnson, and he has FIVE backs averaging 5+ YPC. Can he produce at a high level when facing adversity? You know what I mean?
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Grizzled wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:13 pm
thunderspirit wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:27 pm I'll plant my flag on the Jayden Daniels hill over anyone not named Drake Maye or Caleb Williams.
Daniels is certainly putting up impressive numbers. But is he another version of Fields? Need to wait until the season's over and every aspect of a QB's existence gets picked apart to see that minutia.
Oh, Daniels will face plenty of scrutiny for what happened during his recruitment at Arizona St. Plus he's got a top 15 received to throw to he's also a little slight of build, which is a legit concern. Plenty of nits to pick.

I like him a lot, though. Cameron Ward, too.
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alexwilkins wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:07 pm
The Marshall Plan wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:13 pm Caleb Williams does not appear to be As Advertised and Drake Maye's last two games have not been good.

Bo Nix just destroys everything he sees. That's who I pick if we have a second rounder and are in the market for a QB. TD : INT Ratio of 35 to 2 right now.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... elog/2023/
A bit of worry I have with Nix is that he’s playing out of his mind, but pretty much everything around him is perfect. He faces no pressure. 5 sacks on the year. He has two home run hitters on the outside in Troy Franklin and Tez Johnson, and he has FIVE backs averaging 5+ YPC. Can he produce at a high level when facing adversity? You know what I mean?
That's a fair concern. I think that's an issue JF1 has had when coming from Ohio State to the Bears.
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thunderspirit wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:05 pm
Grizzled wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:13 pm

Daniels is certainly putting up impressive numbers. But is he another version of Fields? Need to wait until the season's over and every aspect of a QB's existence gets picked apart to see that minutia.
Oh, Daniels will face plenty of scrutiny for what happened during his recruitment at Arizona St. Plus he's got a top 15 received to throw to he's also a little slight of build, which is a legit concern. Plenty of nits to pick.

I like him a lot, though. Cameron Ward, too.
Burrow had NFL calibers at LSU. It's what a QB does with these guys, is he using them effectively? I like Ward also, he's very dynamic. One question I have is if the Bears were to draft a Daniels/Ward, would he be expected to challenge for the starter's job but is retained to be the backup? What happens with Bagent then?
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