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They scored 17. Facts kind of are facts?dplank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:57 am Tough one for me, really tough. I see both sides of it. On one hand, I value continuity and know that changing coaches constantly is a recipe for failure. On the other hand, listen to what the players said after the game yesterday.
DJ Moore said "We have everything we need, we just need to play more aggressive" - paraphrasing.
Brisker said "We could have covered those guys, they don't have anything special, but we were coached to play off coverage" - again paraphrasing.
These two comments speak volumes to me, and speak right at what I see as the major flaw / soft spot in the "keep the staff" train of thought. Yesterday was 70% coaching, 30% players IMO, and while all the focus is on Fields all the time, it was a very bad look for Flus and company IMO to get beat the way they did. LeFleur pantsed Flus, and I'm fucking tired of seeing it.
Mike Mulligan had a great point this morning when talking to Olin Kreutz on the Score. The Bears do a really good job every year of selling losing. Every year we get the "we're heading the right direction" crap and there's juuuuuussstt enough promise shown during most seasons to where the average fan can say, "yeah, I get it, I think they're just an offseason away." Then they go out there and lose to the Packers twice, finish last in the division, and the process starts over. Like Olin said, business at Halas Hall is booming. They don't really need to change a damn thing because they make money hand over fist every year like clockwork.Hoog wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:52 am Sadly, we have to go through another coaching/QB change or discrepancy. You would think a blind squirrel would have found a nut already. Which by the way I thought we did with a buckeye QB. They are technically nuts right? At least tgeir ugly friggn mascot looks like one.
Anyway, I was hoping we would destroy GB and then proceed accordingly but what a putrid effort. Game plan sucked on both sides and the QB once again proved he has no idea how to see or diagnose pre snap or feel the pocket during the play. Yes, some sacks were from very poor blocking effort but how many times did you yell RUN or throw the ball during the game at JF1? He just doesn't have a feel for the position and he won't ever find it, IMO.
As for Flus, come on man. Your a Toledo guy, I was rooting for you. How do you play soft D all day against this team? Even more, how do you play soft D and have wide receivers open all day. You certainly didn't have a pass rush so weren't players supposed to be back in coverage?
Gone, I want the QB and the coaches gone, as much as I really didn't want this, its here...AGAIN.
Giving up 400 yards is also a problem, especially when it comes to controlling the clock. The Packers didn't exactly dump the scoring in, but they mandated full control of the affair.RichH55 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:00 amThey scored 17. Facts kind of are facts?dplank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:57 am Tough one for me, really tough. I see both sides of it. On one hand, I value continuity and know that changing coaches constantly is a recipe for failure. On the other hand, listen to what the players said after the game yesterday.
DJ Moore said "We have everything we need, we just need to play more aggressive" - paraphrasing.
Brisker said "We could have covered those guys, they don't have anything special, but we were coached to play off coverage" - again paraphrasing.
These two comments speak volumes to me, and speak right at what I see as the major flaw / soft spot in the "keep the staff" train of thought. Yesterday was 70% coaching, 30% players IMO, and while all the focus is on Fields all the time, it was a very bad look for Flus and company IMO to get beat the way they did. LeFleur pantsed Flus, and I'm fucking tired of seeing it.
You can't win many games in the NFL scoring less than double digits
Never a good sign when you have to check the roster sheet for who a WR is in a key game in week 18, and relying on the athletic prowess of two has-been former Packers after Kmet got smashed up. Also Cody Whitehair playing RG for some reason after Nate “Mr Glass” Davis left the game was weird, meanwhile Jenkins, honorary game captain, suffered football amnesia for four quarters.
This is such a great post. We can all talk ourselves into better days around the corner, but it's really the same story with just a different cast.UOK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:02 am
Mike Mulligan had a great point this morning when talking to Olin Kreutz on the Score. The Bears do a really good job every year of selling losing. Every year we get the "we're heading the right direction" crap and there's juuuuuussstt enough promise shown during most seasons to where the average fan can say, "yeah, I get it, I think they're just an offseason away." Then they go out there and lose to the Packers twice, finish last in the division, and the process starts over. Like Olin said, business at Halas Hall is booming. They don't really need to change a damn thing because they make money hand over fist every year like clockwork.
I've finally reached that point as a fan where I'm done with the excuses and defending of some of the people there that I typically would be. I like Eberflus as a guy and I think he's an alright coach, but for fuck's sake - this is the Chicago Bears. Have some self respect. The guy is only capable of beating other bad teams, and the teams he decisively beat this year all fired their coaches. He's fine, and maybe there is promise, but you've got the #1 pick and two picks in the top 10. You gotta get your house in order and turn that into a new dawn by resetting the clocks.
But at the same time, this is the Bears we're talking about. They like who they like and don't want to bring in anyone who upsets the apple cart, especially if they are former Bears who feel like they know better than the McCaskey family or said an ill-word of them in the last thirty years. We've seen this all play out before again and again again. There are Bears fans who have been watching this second-class franchise fuck up for 70 years and god bless 'em for having the strength to endure that long. I don't know how anyone can. I've been watching this team for 25 years and I feel like it has cultivated nothing but cynicism and despair in my heart.
Really great to have you back around bud!Noots wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:30 am This is my first year back being fully ensconced (again) in the message boards. Really enjoyed the heck out of it, even though the outcomes weren't always the best on the field. I plan to be around a bunch (maybe more than you want, LOL) going forward, including this offseason.
No shortage of drama with this team.
Holding on tight for what will probably be a bumpy ride, especially over the course of this next few weeks.
. Until either Poles announces a trade-down with the first pick (like last year) or we have to wait until draft day to find out, we'll be sitting in the dark feeling about assuming they don't announce coaching changes.
I'm the guy who needs to see more from Fields. But he had absolutely no chance yesterday with the way the OL played in front of him. Zero.dplank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:20 am It was a terrible performance all around - Fields wasn't good but wasn't terrible either, his primary sin is not overcoming a bad circumstance and willing his team to a victory against the tide. I get that we all want a QB who can do that, but that's not a way to build a team, nor is it the key takeaway from this particular football game. The primary issue yesterday was the line of scrimmage, we lost badly on both sides of the football and that set the environment for everything else. We have seen what things look like when we win at the LOS - and it looks GREAT! So my focus heading into the offseason remains right there, LOS, and getting another weapon for Fields. A new QB isn't fixing what we saw yesterday.
Very well stated. I'm at year 53 years following this team and this sums it up for me as well. The hopeful optimism aspect is gone for me. I want to see it before I'm believing or having faith in anything that this team does. About the only hope I have is centered around Kevin Warren making REAL changes. But we're not even seeing that yet that I can see, although that may change very soon.UOK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:02 amMike Mulligan had a great point this morning when talking to Olin Kreutz on the Score. The Bears do a really good job every year of selling losing. Every year we get the "we're heading the right direction" crap and there's juuuuuussstt enough promise shown during most seasons to where the average fan can say, "yeah, I get it, I think they're just an offseason away." Then they go out there and lose to the Packers twice, finish last in the division, and the process starts over. Like Olin said, business at Halas Hall is booming. They don't really need to change a damn thing because they make money hand over fist every year like clockwork.Hoog wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:52 am Sadly, we have to go through another coaching/QB change or discrepancy. You would think a blind squirrel would have found a nut already. Which by the way I thought we did with a buckeye QB. They are technically nuts right? At least tgeir ugly friggn mascot looks like one.
Anyway, I was hoping we would destroy GB and then proceed accordingly but what a putrid effort. Game plan sucked on both sides and the QB once again proved he has no idea how to see or diagnose pre snap or feel the pocket during the play. Yes, some sacks were from very poor blocking effort but how many times did you yell RUN or throw the ball during the game at JF1? He just doesn't have a feel for the position and he won't ever find it, IMO.
As for Flus, come on man. Your a Toledo guy, I was rooting for you. How do you play soft D all day against this team? Even more, how do you play soft D and have wide receivers open all day. You certainly didn't have a pass rush so weren't players supposed to be back in coverage?
Gone, I want the QB and the coaches gone, as much as I really didn't want this, its here...AGAIN.
I've finally reached that point as a fan where I'm done with the excuses and defending of some of the people there that I typically would be. I like Eberflus as a guy and I think he's an alright coach, but for fuck's sake - this is the Chicago Bears. Have some self respect. The guy is only capable of beating other bad teams, and the teams he decisively beat this year all fired their coaches. He's fine, and maybe there is promise, but you've got the #1 pick and two picks in the top 10. You gotta get your house in order and turn that into a new dawn by resetting the clocks.
But at the same time, this is the Bears we're talking about. They like who they like and don't want to bring in anyone who upsets the apple cart, especially if they are former Bears who feel like they know better than the McCaskey family or said an ill-word of them in the last thirty years. We've seen this all play out before again and again again. There are Bears fans who have been watching this second-class franchise fuck up for 70 years and god bless 'em for having the strength to endure that long. I don't know how anyone can. I've been watching this team for 25 years and I feel like it has cultivated nothing but cynicism and despair in my heart.
I disagree and to remove the emotion from this let’s just stick to the facts.BearsFanInMN wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:17 amThis is such a great post. We can all talk ourselves into better days around the corner, but it's really the same story with just a different cast.UOK wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:02 am
Mike Mulligan had a great point this morning when talking to Olin Kreutz on the Score. The Bears do a really good job every year of selling losing. Every year we get the "we're heading the right direction" crap and there's juuuuuussstt enough promise shown during most seasons to where the average fan can say, "yeah, I get it, I think they're just an offseason away." Then they go out there and lose to the Packers twice, finish last in the division, and the process starts over. Like Olin said, business at Halas Hall is booming. They don't really need to change a damn thing because they make money hand over fist every year like clockwork.
I've finally reached that point as a fan where I'm done with the excuses and defending of some of the people there that I typically would be. I like Eberflus as a guy and I think he's an alright coach, but for fuck's sake - this is the Chicago Bears. Have some self respect. The guy is only capable of beating other bad teams, and the teams he decisively beat this year all fired their coaches. He's fine, and maybe there is promise, but you've got the #1 pick and two picks in the top 10. You gotta get your house in order and turn that into a new dawn by resetting the clocks.
But at the same time, this is the Bears we're talking about. They like who they like and don't want to bring in anyone who upsets the apple cart, especially if they are former Bears who feel like they know better than the McCaskey family or said an ill-word of them in the last thirty years. We've seen this all play out before again and again again. There are Bears fans who have been watching this second-class franchise fuck up for 70 years and god bless 'em for having the strength to endure that long. I don't know how anyone can. I've been watching this team for 25 years and I feel like it has cultivated nothing but cynicism and despair in my heart.
Agreed here.The Marshall Plan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:08 pm I disagree and to remove the emotion from this let’s just stick to the facts.
This team has many young players in place, on both sides of the ball, that are making a positive impact and can be part of a winning team.
After the Sweat trade, if you annualized our record we would be a playoff team.
Two first round picks this year of which one is the 1st overall.
Roughly $62M in cap space.
There are several reasons to be excited about the future of this team.
Woof. I do wonder if players will give open and honest feedback during their exit interviews. If that happens, I am curious if players weren't a fan of Getsy's scheme/play-calling and as such will get him fired. If that's the case, we simply CANNOT miss on the next OC hire.“I THINK HE’S FINE. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST COMES DOWN TO US BEING EXPLOSIVE ON THE OFFENSIVE SIDE. WE GOT THE PLAYERS TO DO IT. WE GOT OUR QB TO DO IT. EVERYTHING ELSE, WE JUST NEED TO CALL THE PLAYS THAT PUT US IN POSITION TO HAVE EXPLOSIVES.”
FWIW when Moore said "I think he's fine" he was talking about Fields...not Getsy. He was talking about Getsy in the rest of the quote though about the lack of explosion.G08 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:24 pm Same old shit.
You can change the names of the players, the coaches, etc, but the end result always seems to be the Packers owning us and the QB-carousel keeps spinning.
At some point you would think this franchise would luck themselves into a QB, you know what I mean? This is getting to the point for me where I think we are intentionally picking the wrong QB and/or pairing him with the wrong coaches. It almost feels intentional, the sheer ineptitude of it all.
Here's DJ Moore on Luke Getsy:
Woof. I do wonder if players will give open and honest feedback during their exit interviews. If that happens, I am curious if players weren't a fan of Getsy's scheme/play-calling and as such will get him fired. If that's the case, we simply CANNOT miss on the next OC hire.“I THINK HE’S FINE. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST COMES DOWN TO US BEING EXPLOSIVE ON THE OFFENSIVE SIDE. WE GOT THE PLAYERS TO DO IT. WE GOT OUR QB TO DO IT. EVERYTHING ELSE, WE JUST NEED TO CALL THE PLAYS THAT PUT US IN POSITION TO HAVE EXPLOSIVES.”
You sure?wab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:28 pmFWIW when Moore said "I think he's fine" he was talking about Fields...not Getsy. He was talking about Getsy in the rest of the quote though about the lack of explosion.G08 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:24 pm Same old shit.
You can change the names of the players, the coaches, etc, but the end result always seems to be the Packers owning us and the QB-carousel keeps spinning.
At some point you would think this franchise would luck themselves into a QB, you know what I mean? This is getting to the point for me where I think we are intentionally picking the wrong QB and/or pairing him with the wrong coaches. It almost feels intentional, the sheer ineptitude of it all.
Here's DJ Moore on Luke Getsy:
Woof. I do wonder if players will give open and honest feedback during their exit interviews. If that happens, I am curious if players weren't a fan of Getsy's scheme/play-calling and as such will get him fired. If that's the case, we simply CANNOT miss on the next OC hire.
I'm with UOK in that the hopeful optimism has left me at this point. I don't trust the Bears to do whatever it is they need to do to become a winning organization. I'm definitely in the "I need to see it for myself" phase of my fandom now.
Moore very politely indicated that Luke Getsy's offense is dogshit.G08 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:39 pmYou sure?wab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:28 pm
FWIW when Moore said "I think he's fine" he was talking about Fields...not Getsy. He was talking about Getsy in the rest of the quote though about the lack of explosion.
I'm with UOK in that the hopeful optimism has left me at this point. I don't trust the Bears to do whatever it is they need to do to become a winning organization. I'm definitely in the "I need to see it for myself" phase of my fandom now.
I’ll go find it but I’ve seen it attributed to Fields several times on Twitter.G08 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:39 pmYou sure?wab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:28 pm
FWIW when Moore said "I think he's fine" he was talking about Fields...not Getsy. He was talking about Getsy in the rest of the quote though about the lack of explosion.
I'm with UOK in that the hopeful optimism has left me at this point. I don't trust the Bears to do whatever it is they need to do to become a winning organization. I'm definitely in the "I need to see it for myself" phase of my fandom now.
Lmk, I heard this on the radio earlier today as well so I thought it was DJ Moore talking about Getsy since he was specifically asked.
