Free Talk // Open bar, we're not turning the lights off

For all things Chicago Bears

Moderator: wab

User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

Bears Whiskey Nut wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:21 am
Umbali wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:57 pm Elden Ring is an amazing game. Played it through a few games into game plus. Also the easiest hack to do it the one where you kill the ancient dragon around level 2 lol. He doesnt move etc you just need a bleed weapon.
Cyberpunk 2077 is the game im playing now. Ive already beat it but now going back through as different character to make different choices. Freaking love this game.
Just watched the trailer for Cyberpunk. That's Keanu Reeves narrating the story. Hilarious. I'll take a look at it.
The last I heard you can make a weapon from a dildo in that game.

Reason enough to buy it.
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
Arkansasbear
Head Coach
Posts: 4580
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:41 am
Has thanked: 410 times
Been thanked: 591 times

Otis Day wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:29 am I remember (well kind of) seeing Heavy Metal in the theater. I was kind of high as hell. Had some brews in me as well. May have to revisit that to see what I really remember about it. I mean that was about 40+ yrs ago.
I remembering watching in junior high on Showtime. I remembered it being great. But I rewatched it few years ago and it's not near as good as I remembered it. Still okay. Might have just been the fact I was in my early teens watching animated naked women.
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7156
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 510 times
Been thanked: 829 times

malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:23 am
LacertineForest wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:23 pm Roquan showed up in the stat sheet a lot (I remember looking mid-way through the 2nd quarter and he already had 10 tackles), but the thing I remember most about his play was that stupid unnecessary roughness penalty near the end of the game.
His final score stats encapsulated things for me. 16 TACKLES! *cough* only 5 solo, 0 TFL, 0 PD, 1 QB Hit *cough*

5 solo tackles was 5th in the game on both sides so it isn't bad. But you look at the assists in that game and after his 11 the next highest is 4. I mean absolutely props to the guy, he's turned sprinting to fall on the pile into $20m a year, chapeau!
I know I've said this before, but it's a funny kind of hell when you're a really good, but not great player. It's like a great WR2. Somebody is gonna pay you WR1 money, and it's just gonna fuck everything up.

Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special. Put him on a good defense and he looks like a star because he's getting 100+ tackles a year.
Image
User avatar
malk
Head Coach
Posts: 3589
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:10 am
Has thanked: 128 times
Been thanked: 182 times

Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:10 am
malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:23 am

His final score stats encapsulated things for me. 16 TACKLES! *cough* only 5 solo, 0 TFL, 0 PD, 1 QB Hit *cough*

5 solo tackles was 5th in the game on both sides so it isn't bad. But you look at the assists in that game and after his 11 the next highest is 4. I mean absolutely props to the guy, he's turned sprinting to fall on the pile into $20m a year, chapeau!
I know I've said this before, but it's a funny kind of hell when you're a really good, but not great player. It's like a great WR2. Somebody is gonna pay you WR1 money, and it's just gonna fuck everything up.

Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special. Put him on a good defense and he looks like a star because he's getting 100+ tackles a year.
2020 was an elite year for Smith, all the usual tackles but 18 of them were TFL and he also had a great year in coverage. I personally don't think it's worth paying $20m per year for that but it was definitely elite for an off ball backer. 21 and 22 are still really good but a shade off elite then this year he's dropped again to just really solid, unless I'm missing something in how he is used. And the big issue there is that whilst it is genuinely hard to get backers who are solid in tackles and in coverage, guys who make a lot of tackles and are ok in coverage are ten a penny.

I'd take Morrow and Sandborn at their contracts over Smith or Edmunds in a heartbeat.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".

Noted Brain Genius Malk, Summer 2018.

(2020 update, wait, was I right...)
User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:10 am
malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:23 am

His final score stats encapsulated things for me. 16 TACKLES! *cough* only 5 solo, 0 TFL, 0 PD, 1 QB Hit *cough*

5 solo tackles was 5th in the game on both sides so it isn't bad. But you look at the assists in that game and after his 11 the next highest is 4. I mean absolutely props to the guy, he's turned sprinting to fall on the pile into $20m a year, chapeau!
I know I've said this before, but it's a funny kind of hell when you're a really good, but not great player. It's like a great WR2. Somebody is gonna pay you WR1 money, and it's just gonna fuck everything up.

Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special. Put him on a good defense and he looks like a star because he's getting 100+ tackles a year.
Please don’t forget the whole being on a boat with a porn star thing. That’s an important aspect here.

This team has the personality of garage sale underwear. We need guys that liven things up.
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:23 am
Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:10 am
I know I've said this before, but it's a funny kind of hell when you're a really good, but not great player. It's like a great WR2. Somebody is gonna pay you WR1 money, and it's just gonna fuck everything up.

Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special. Put him on a good defense and he looks like a star because he's getting 100+ tackles a year.
2020 was an elite year for Smith, all the usual tackles but 18 of them were TFL and he also had a great year in coverage. I personally don't think it's worth paying $20m per year for that but it was definitely elite for an off ball backer. 21 and 22 are still really good but a shade off elite then this year he's dropped again to just really solid, unless I'm missing something in how he is used. And the big issue there is that whilst it is genuinely hard to get backers who are solid in tackles and in coverage, guys who make a lot of tackles and are ok in coverage are ten a penny.

I'd take Morrow and Sandborn at their contracts over Smith or Edmunds in a heartbeat.
What would you do with the cap savings?
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
malk
Head Coach
Posts: 3589
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:10 am
Has thanked: 128 times
Been thanked: 182 times

The Marshall Plan wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:24 am
malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:23 am

2020 was an elite year for Smith, all the usual tackles but 18 of them were TFL and he also had a great year in coverage. I personally don't think it's worth paying $20m per year for that but it was definitely elite for an off ball backer. 21 and 22 are still really good but a shade off elite then this year he's dropped again to just really solid, unless I'm missing something in how he is used. And the big issue there is that whilst it is genuinely hard to get backers who are solid in tackles and in coverage, guys who make a lot of tackles and are ok in coverage are ten a penny.

I'd take Morrow and Sandborn at their contracts over Smith or Edmunds in a heartbeat.
What would you do with the cap savings?
Ideally another pass rusher, or rather upgrade DeMarcus Walker. Obviously you need an actual player available but Walker plus Edmunds in 2024 is $31m. Sweat plus Edwards is is $32.5m. Very broadly, think Sweat and Edwards contribute more than Walker and Edmunds.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".

Noted Brain Genius Malk, Summer 2018.

(2020 update, wait, was I right...)
User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:45 am
The Marshall Plan wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:24 am

What would you do with the cap savings?
Ideally another pass rusher, or rather upgrade DeMarcus Walker. Obviously you need an actual player available but Walker plus Edmunds in 2024 is $31m. Sweat plus Edwards is is $32.5m. Very broadly, think Sweat and Edwards contribute more than Walker and Edmunds.
This makes a lot of sense.

Build from the ball outwards.

I think, maybe, that Poles signed who he COULD and not necessarily who he WANTED, when he signed Edmunds and Edwards.

I say that because it just makes much more sense to build a Cover-2 defense from the DL outward. Poles has to know that.
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
malk
Head Coach
Posts: 3589
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:10 am
Has thanked: 128 times
Been thanked: 182 times

The Marshall Plan wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:50 am
malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:45 am

Ideally another pass rusher, or rather upgrade DeMarcus Walker. Obviously you need an actual player available but Walker plus Edmunds in 2024 is $31m. Sweat plus Edwards is is $32.5m. Very broadly, think Sweat and Edwards contribute more than Walker and Edmunds.
This makes a lot of sense.

Build from the ball outwards.

I think, maybe, that Poles signed who he COULD and not necessarily who he WANTED, when he signed Edmunds and Edwards.

I say that because it just makes much more sense to build a Cover-2 defense from the DL outward. Poles has to know that.
If we're talking about what I actually would have done last year it would have been to bring back Morrow and use the money to sign JJ early.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".

Noted Brain Genius Malk, Summer 2018.

(2020 update, wait, was I right...)
User avatar
Noots
Assistant Coach
Posts: 551
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:49 am
Location: ABQ
Has thanked: 105 times
Been thanked: 217 times

The Marshall Plan wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:50 am
malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:45 am

Ideally another pass rusher, or rather upgrade DeMarcus Walker. Obviously you need an actual player available but Walker plus Edmunds in 2024 is $31m. Sweat plus Edwards is is $32.5m. Very broadly, think Sweat and Edwards contribute more than Walker and Edmunds.
This makes a lot of sense.

Build from the ball outwards.

I think, maybe, that Poles signed who he COULD and not necessarily who he WANTED, when he signed Edmunds and Edwards.

I say that because it just makes much more sense to build a Cover-2 defense from the DL outward. Poles has to know that.
Poles knows that because he trusts Flus. Flus has to be in his ear about that fact for sure. I know many of us wanted a new HC with the house-cleaning. But it's sorta rare when you see the HC and GM on the same page--in THIS town.
User avatar
HisRoyalSweetness
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5602
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:20 pm
Has thanked: 55 times
Been thanked: 1533 times

Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:10 am Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special.
Lance Briggs without his ability to force fumbles, recover fumbles or score defensive TDs.
User avatar
Noots
Assistant Coach
Posts: 551
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:49 am
Location: ABQ
Has thanked: 105 times
Been thanked: 217 times

I think the best comparison to Lance Briggs is TJ Edwards in terms of play style, position, athleticism and productivity.
Roquan, IIRC, ran about a 4.5, while Briggs was a 4.7. Briggs got the most out of his athleticism, and a lot of that had to do with his football intelligence, anticipation and taking great angles. And from a personal standpoint, I just LOVED the way he took on blockers and hit TEs off the line. Lovie's cover 2 was a very different defense than a traditional 4-3, especially as it related to LB (Urlacher). I always felt Briggs could have been a perfect traditional MLB because of all of that. But Urlacher was best suited for that cover 2 MLB with his rover safety background in college.
Edit-
I just did a google search. Edwards and Briggs ran in the high 4.7s at the combine. Roquan had a 4.51.
User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:55 am
Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:10 am Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special.
Lance Briggs without his ability to force fumbles, recover fumbles or score defensive TDs.
You people are so nasty to a future HOF’er.
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29361
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 104 times
Been thanked: 1752 times

I think the Bears can get out of the Edmunds contract pretty easily after next season. He's more of a playmaker in the middle than Sanborn.

The Bears couldn't stop the run to save their lives and Morrow is a liability there. That's why Edmunds, Walker, Edwards, and Greene were brought in. And poof...top 5 run defense (I believe they were even #1 for quite a while).
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7156
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 510 times
Been thanked: 829 times

wab wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:27 am I think the Bears can get out of the Edmunds contract pretty easily after next season. He's more of a playmaker in the middle than Sanborn.

The Bears couldn't stop the run to save their lives and Morrow is a liability there. That's why Edmunds, Walker, Edwards, and Greene were brought in. And poof...top 5 run defense (I believe they were even #1 for quite a while).
Yeah, from what I've read about the Eagle's defense's great regression this year (admitting that scheme change played a role of course), they have a lot of money tied up elsewhere and cheaping out in the middle of the field (linebackers and safeties) was their Achilles heel.
Image
User avatar
LacertineForest
MVP
Posts: 1469
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:39 pm
Location: Madison, WI
Has thanked: 1444 times
Been thanked: 263 times

The Marshall Plan wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:18 am Lately, the Great Love for me has been Heavy Metal ( @LacertineForest did you like this one? ) the fantasy magazine which also had two movies based off of it. I love the anthology nature of it and not knowing what to expect. I've bought several collections, but lately I've moved on to other things because variety is the spice of life.

Halfway through Garth Ennis' Reptilian right now and it's fantastic.
I've never been much of a reader of non-fiction, comics or otherwise. I can't even remember if I have seen the Heavy Metal movies, which seem like they're right up my alley, given my love for sci-fi and heavy metal (the art itself looks amazing). Nothing against it, just never spent my free time that way.
User avatar
malk
Head Coach
Posts: 3589
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:10 am
Has thanked: 128 times
Been thanked: 182 times

Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:33 am
wab wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:27 am I think the Bears can get out of the Edmunds contract pretty easily after next season. He's more of a playmaker in the middle than Sanborn.

The Bears couldn't stop the run to save their lives and Morrow is a liability there. That's why Edmunds, Walker, Edwards, and Greene were brought in. And poof...top 5 run defense (I believe they were even #1 for quite a while).
Yeah, from what I've read about the Eagle's defense's great regression this year (admitting that scheme change played a role of course), they have a lot of money tied up elsewhere and cheaping out in the middle of the field (linebackers and safeties) was their Achilles heel.
Also for @wab, is this absolutely true? I'm not saying that Morrow is a beast against the run but this year he had 12 of 95 (66 solo) tackles as TFL. Last year with us it was 11 of 116 (83 solo). Those are pretty great figures and whilst he could be trash outside of those, TFL or bust could definitely be a thing, I don't recall that from his play with us last year.

Then when you look at Edmunds he had 5 TFL from 113 tackles (69 solo).

I'd rather have Sanborn in than either of them but with Morrow I wonder if our run D could be fine with him and the other players mentioned.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".

Noted Brain Genius Malk, Summer 2018.

(2020 update, wait, was I right...)
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29361
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 104 times
Been thanked: 1752 times

malk wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:49 am
Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:33 am

Yeah, from what I've read about the Eagle's defense's great regression this year (admitting that scheme change played a role of course), they have a lot of money tied up elsewhere and cheaping out in the middle of the field (linebackers and safeties) was their Achilles heel.
Also for @wab, is this absolutely true? I'm not saying that Morrow is a beast against the run but this year he had 12 of 95 (66 solo) tackles as TFL. Last year with us it was 11 of 116 (83 solo). Those are pretty great figures and whilst he could be trash outside of those, TFL or bust could definitely be a thing, I don't recall that from his play with us last year.

Then when you look at Edmunds he had 5 TFL from 113 tackles (69 solo).

I'd rather have Sanborn in than either of them but with Morrow I wonder if our run D could be fine with him and the other players mentioned.
You might be right...I may have been thinking of the other dude who came over from Indy...Adams.
User avatar
dplank
Hall of Famer
Posts: 11619
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:19 am
Has thanked: 1108 times
Been thanked: 1921 times

HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:55 am
Rusty Trombagent wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:10 am Roquan is Lance Briggs. A very good linebacker, good short area burst, not a liability in coverage but certainly not anything special.
Lance Briggs without his ability to force fumbles, recover fumbles or score defensive TDs.
Roquan was considered the best cover LB in the league when he was here. His issue was a lack of TFLs and turnovers. Coverage was the one part of his game that was special
RichH55
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7553
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:23 pm
Has thanked: 480 times
Been thanked: 528 times

dplank wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:02 pm
HisRoyalSweetness wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:55 am

Lance Briggs without his ability to force fumbles, recover fumbles or score defensive TDs.
Roquan was considered the best cover LB in the league when he was here. His issue was a lack of TFLs and turnovers. Coverage was the one part of his game that was special
Disagree on it being Special

I thought Roquon was solid in most areas - not really special in any though
User avatar
malk
Head Coach
Posts: 3589
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:10 am
Has thanked: 128 times
Been thanked: 182 times

RichH55 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:19 pm
dplank wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:02 pm

Roquan was considered the best cover LB in the league when he was here. His issue was a lack of TFLs and turnovers. Coverage was the one part of his game that was special
Disagree on it being Special

I thought Roquon was solid in most areas - not really special in any though
In coverage he was great from 2019-2022 and absolutely elite in 2020. 3.7 yards per target over a full season with 79 targets, that Roquan Island! And he made 98 solo tackles with 18 TFL. Plus chipped in with a couple of interceptions, a forced fumble and 4 sacks. 22 plays at or behind the line of scrimmage with those coverage numbers is pretty amazing. I wish PFR had similar stats for peak Urlacher years to compare.

If you're getting that regularly his contract might be worth paying for. But since then he's dropped to just very good and merely good in 2023. Good ILBs can be replaced fairly simply, like a running back, and very good ones aren't worth the doubling, tripling of the contract that Smith represents against some random good player.
"I wouldn't take him for a conditional 7th. His next contract will pay him more than he could possibly contribute.".

Noted Brain Genius Malk, Summer 2018.

(2020 update, wait, was I right...)
User avatar
LacertineForest
MVP
Posts: 1469
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:39 pm
Location: Madison, WI
Has thanked: 1444 times
Been thanked: 263 times

The Packers' choice of DC was not what I was expecting. I thought they'd go for a well-known coordinator, but they went with the head coach from Boston College (who had a pretty middling record). I know nothing about him, really, but I hope he sucks as a defensive coordinator!
User avatar
Rusty Trombagent
Hall of Famer
Posts: 7156
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:19 am
Location: Maine!
Has thanked: 510 times
Been thanked: 829 times

LacertineForest wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:10 am The Packers' choice of DC was not what I was expecting. I thought they'd go for a well-known coordinator, but they went with the head coach from Boston College (who had a pretty middling record). I know nothing about him, really, but I hope he sucks as a defensive coordinator!
Image
User avatar
wab
Mod
Posts: 29361
Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:49 pm
Has thanked: 104 times
Been thanked: 1752 times

malk wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:49 am
RichH55 wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:19 pm

Disagree on it being Special

I thought Roquon was solid in most areas - not really special in any though
In coverage he was great from 2019-2022 and absolutely elite in 2020. 3.7 yards per target over a full season with 79 targets, that Roquan Island! And he made 98 solo tackles with 18 TFL. Plus chipped in with a couple of interceptions, a forced fumble and 4 sacks. 22 plays at or behind the line of scrimmage with those coverage numbers is pretty amazing. I wish PFR had similar stats for peak Urlacher years to compare.

If you're getting that regularly his contract might be worth paying for. But since then he's dropped to just very good and merely good in 2023. Good ILBs can be replaced fairly simply, like a running back, and very good ones aren't worth the doubling, tripling of the contract that Smith represents against some random good player.
Yeah, you can't say Roquan hasn't been one of, if not the best, pass coverage LB's in the NFL. He dropped off in 2023 though for whatever reason.
User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

wab wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:24 am
malk wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:49 am

In coverage he was great from 2019-2022 and absolutely elite in 2020. 3.7 yards per target over a full season with 79 targets, that Roquan Island! And he made 98 solo tackles with 18 TFL. Plus chipped in with a couple of interceptions, a forced fumble and 4 sacks. 22 plays at or behind the line of scrimmage with those coverage numbers is pretty amazing. I wish PFR had similar stats for peak Urlacher years to compare.

If you're getting that regularly his contract might be worth paying for. But since then he's dropped to just very good and merely good in 2023. Good ILBs can be replaced fairly simply, like a running back, and very good ones aren't worth the doubling, tripling of the contract that Smith represents against some random good player.
Yeah, you can't say Roquan hasn't been one of, if not the best, pass coverage LB's in the NFL. He dropped off in 2023 though for whatever reason.
We traded a HOF’er for magic beans.
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
Grizzled
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5329
Joined: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:55 pm
Has thanked: 544 times
Been thanked: 439 times

The Marshall Plan wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:34 am
wab wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:24 am

Yeah, you can't say Roquan hasn't been one of, if not the best, pass coverage LB's in the NFL. He dropped off in 2023 though for whatever reason.
We traded a HOF’er for magic beans.
Not to beat the Roquan discusion to death but Poles highly values CBs. He doesn't value LBs as highly. Might have been a factor in him not offering the contract which Roquan accepted with the Ravens.
Drafts are like snowflakes, no two are alike.
User avatar
The Marshall Plan
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8128
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:47 am
Location: Parts Unknown
Has thanked: 820 times
Been thanked: 1132 times

Grizzled wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:37 am
The Marshall Plan wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:34 am

We traded a HOF’er for magic beans.
Not to beat the Roquan discusion to death but Poles highly values CBs. He doesn't value LBs as highly. Might have been a factor in him not offering the contract which Roquan accepted with the Ravens.
I think that the Roquan Situation failed because Roquan was a bit goofy with not having an agent and honestly I think he was mentally done with Chicago.

In 2018, he joined us, and it was such an awesome season to start your career.

Then the downward spiral because of the rebuild.

I do think he could've been retained, but we'll never know what was said behind closed doors with the negotiations.
I Take The Field With Fields

Image
User avatar
Grizzled
Hall of Famer
Posts: 5329
Joined: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:55 pm
Has thanked: 544 times
Been thanked: 439 times

The Marshall Plan wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:44 am
Grizzled wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:37 am

Not to beat the Roquan discusion to death but Poles highly values CBs. He doesn't value LBs as highly. Might have been a factor in him not offering the contract which Roquan accepted with the Ravens.
I think that the Roquan Situation failed because Roquan was a bit goofy with not having an agent and honestly I think he was mentally done with Chicago.

In 2018, he joined us, and it was such an awesome season to start your career.

Then the downward spiral because of the rebuild.

I do think he could've been retained, but we'll never know what was said behind closed doors with the negotiations.
Good points. It's said that a man is a fool who serves as his own lawyer. Possibly the same for the one who is his own agent although Lamar came out okay and Roquan eventually got what he wanted from the Ravens.
Drafts are like snowflakes, no two are alike.
User avatar
Noots
Assistant Coach
Posts: 551
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:49 am
Location: ABQ
Has thanked: 105 times
Been thanked: 217 times

Yeah, I'm with TMP here. He came off as a bit of a nutter. Didn't he also have a really odd sort of language he needed which led to a delay in getting his initial contract and getting into camp on time for his rookie deal?
User avatar
dplank
Hall of Famer
Posts: 11619
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:19 am
Has thanked: 1108 times
Been thanked: 1921 times

He fashioned himself a modern Roman J Israel I suppose….

Anyone? wab? 😂😂
Post Reply