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Noots wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:33 pm The think with Bagent:

-These were his first games coming all the way from his lesser college level
-Just like JF1 isn't a finished product after 30 something starts, it's even more unfair to paint Bagent's complete picture.
--He can improve his arm strength. It can be done
--He already throws with great anticipation, but he's still leaving passes out there that can get picked. He can actually improve considerably, now that he's on this level, throwing to receivers who move as fast as they do, too. Speed of the game.

I'm not ready to mention him even in the same breath as Minshew Mania. If he can get to that level, what a find he'll be!
Luckily for the wombs of the women of this planet there is only one Sex Panther.

However with Bags I think his ceiling is average starter with the realistic likelihood of quality backup.

For an undrafted D2 guy that’s amazing. No shame in that. I’d love to have him around for years. If it were me I’d have Bags in Halas Hall as if the season never ended watching tape, going through progressions, working on accuracy. He can be really good with more development.

Think of what he did this season. It’s a miracle he didn’t get killed out there, but the guy held his own. I love him.
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It's official finally. Was getting nervous they bungled the Waldron hire and scared the rest away.
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Caleb, and Hell followed with him.
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Hema2.0 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:49 pm It's official finally. Was getting nervous they bungled the Waldron hire and scared the rest away.
Do you think they wanted him to do a mock press conference? ;)

Who did we do that to? Arians?
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Weren't there a few interviews where the guys came out and met the press, one of the former "Hogs" from Washington came out in a big sweater and thanked the "McClaskeys" or something like that? Russ Grimm?
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The Marshall Plan wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:53 pm
Hema2.0 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:49 pm It's official finally. Was getting nervous they bungled the Waldron hire and scared the rest away.
Do you think they wanted him to do a mock press conference? ;)

Who did we do that to? Arians?
Something that should never be forgiven! :frustrated:
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Bears Whiskey Nut wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:20 am
Teddy KGB wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:18 am I like the game the Bears are playing with the OCs - they got their guy, but after all the interviews, no one still knows what they will do with the #1 overall pick.

My gut is telling me Poles is leaving no stone unturned in order to maximize the value of that #1 overall pick, and if that's the case, you only do that if you intend to trade it.

But we shall see.
The interview of Kliff Kingsbury had purpose well beyond an OC interview.
Yes, but if you are pro Caleb, you will claim its a fact-finding mission.
If you are Pro Fields, you will claim its a smoke screen to further muddy the waters.

In other words, that interview isn't just slanted to one of those sides...
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Boris13c wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:05 pm
dplank wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:01 pm Yea, but Justin led the league in throwing % into tight windows with minimum 2 TE's on the field in all games following a mani/pedi the day before and a wet fart that needed a wipe within 30 minutes before kickoff.
but his weakness is he can't do it while chewing gum
Disagree. He just chews the gum too damn long. The flavor is gone!
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The Marshall Plan wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:42 pm
Noots wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:33 pm The think with Bagent:

-These were his first games coming all the way from his lesser college level
-Just like JF1 isn't a finished product after 30 something starts, it's even more unfair to paint Bagent's complete picture.
--He can improve his arm strength. It can be done
--He already throws with great anticipation, but he's still leaving passes out there that can get picked. He can actually improve considerably, now that he's on this level, throwing to receivers who move as fast as they do, too. Speed of the game.

I'm not ready to mention him even in the same breath as Minshew Mania. If he can get to that level, what a find he'll be!
Luckily for the wombs of the women of this planet there is only one Sex Panther.

However with Bags I think his ceiling is average starter with the realistic likelihood of quality backup.

For an undrafted D2 guy that’s amazing. No shame in that. I’d love to have him around for years. If it were me I’d have Bags in Halas Hall as if the season never ended watching tape, going through progressions, working on accuracy. He can be really good with more development.

Think of what he did this season. It’s a miracle he didn’t get killed out there, but the guy held his own. I love him.
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Kylo Bearen wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:45 pm
Thanks, this guy is hyped anyway.
I’d like to hear about some of the negatives as well, just for balance, but this guy likes him.
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It's officially official as of yesterday
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I like Marquis Brown, Gabe Davis, and Curtis Samuel from this list. They won't kill you money wise and represent a significant upgrade. A lot depends on our plan in the draft though, as Brown/Davis aren't needed if we take one of the top 3 WR's - in which case Samuel would be a great slot guy for us.
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Samuel is a poor man's DJ Moore, their games are very similar. The Bears needs a big bodied guy that is considered open when he is one one one. Gabe Davis, Michael Pittman, Tee Higgins, or Mike Evans would all be good compliments to DJ. The last three will be pretty expensive though.
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:30 am I like Marquis Brown, Gabe Davis, and Curtis Samuel from this list. They won't kill you money wise and represent a significant upgrade. A lot depends on our plan in the draft though, as Brown/Davis aren't needed if we take one of the top 3 WR's - in which case Samuel would be a great slot guy for us.
If you look at what Waldron was working with in SEA, Davis does make the most sense (Odunze fits the bill pretty well as a draft pick too).

What that article shows, is that the Bears are probably going to spread the ball around. A lot. The Bears don't have the WR's to do that right now. And it's not been one of Fields strong suits. Regardless of the QB, they are going to need to load up on 2-3 more WRs.
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Fast look at that list, I like Boyd, as long as the contract is short/escapable
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The thing that really sucks, and is the suck that keeps on giving/sucking--is that Claypool should have been the guy we're describing. But that dude's a total disappointment. Shit, it's going to look like nobody is going to ever get more out of him than Pittsburgh did. Big body guy, should always be open even when he's not. Nope. Makes me think of David Terrell a bit. After his time with the Bears, did he magically blossom elsewhere? Well, for the younger people on this board, you've never heard of him, so there's your answer. Couldn't blame his lack of productivity on the much maligned John Shoop. Hell, Shoop should have gotten an award for getting anything outta that stiff.
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Noots wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:58 am The thing that really sucks, and is the suck that keeps on giving/sucking--is that Claypool should have been the guy we're describing. But that dude's a total disappointment. Shit, it's going to look like nobody is going to ever get more out of him than Pittsburgh did. Big body guy, should always be open even when he's not. Nope. Makes me think of David Terrell a bit. After his time with the Bears, did he magically blossom elsewhere? Well, for the younger people on this board, you've never heard of him, so there's your answer. Couldn't blame his lack of productivity on the much maligned John Shoop. Hell, Shoop should have gotten an award for getting anything outta that stiff.
I'm old enough to remember back when a bunch of people blamed his lack of production on Justin Fields lol...turns out the WR has to play well also, crazy! We need 2 more receivers on this team badly IMO.
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Noots wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:58 am The thing that really sucks, and is the suck that keeps on giving/sucking--is that Claypool should have been the guy we're describing. But that dude's a total disappointment. Shit, it's going to look like nobody is going to ever get more out of him than Pittsburgh did. Big body guy, should always be open even when he's not. Nope. Makes me think of David Terrell a bit. After his time with the Bears, did he magically blossom elsewhere? Well, for the younger people on this board, you've never heard of him, so there's your answer. Couldn't blame his lack of productivity on the much maligned John Shoop. Hell, Shoop should have gotten an award for getting anything outta that stiff.
Claypool is a shame because that guy is talented enough to be a #1 receiver in this league. Just shows how much the mental side of the game matters at the NFL level.
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:19 am Really good article:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/wh ... e749&ei=13
I mean, I didn't need any pushing to be back on the "screw a trade down, draft MHJ and bring on the Super Duper Offense" train. But that's what it sounds like your telling me to do.
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HurricaneBear wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:35 pm
Noots wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:58 am The thing that really sucks, and is the suck that keeps on giving/sucking--is that Claypool should have been the guy we're describing. But that dude's a total disappointment. Shit, it's going to look like nobody is going to ever get more out of him than Pittsburgh did. Big body guy, should always be open even when he's not. Nope. Makes me think of David Terrell a bit. After his time with the Bears, did he magically blossom elsewhere? Well, for the younger people on this board, you've never heard of him, so there's your answer. Couldn't blame his lack of productivity on the much maligned John Shoop. Hell, Shoop should have gotten an award for getting anything outta that stiff.
Claypool is a shame because that guy is talented enough to be a #1 receiver in this league. Just shows how much the mental side of the game matters at the NFL level.
It's the big unanswered question on Caleb Williams, who displays some Claypool like immaturity and ego at times. How will a guy like that fit in our locker room? In an ultimate position of leadership no less?
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Claypool might be the most physically gifted WR in the NFL. His size/speed ratio is damn near unmatched...Metcalf is probably the closest. And he's also really good at football.

He's just too lazy and has his head too far up his own ass to realize all that talent. It really is a shame.
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:45 pm
HurricaneBear wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:35 pm

Claypool is a shame because that guy is talented enough to be a #1 receiver in this league. Just shows how much the mental side of the game matters at the NFL level.
It's the big unanswered question on Caleb Williams, who displays some Claypool like immaturity and ego at times. How will a guy like that fit in our locker room? In an ultimate position of leadership no less?
So when people questioned Jenkins maturity/ work ethic - That was them just being pieces of crap - inventing a narrative that we as Fans could never truly know (I kind of agree actually - it's rank speculation)

But for Caleb - we can just take the whispers right to the bank?
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wab wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:54 pm Claypool might be the most physically gifted WR in the NFL. His size/speed ratio is damn near unmatched...Metcalf is probably the closest. And he's also really good at football.

He's just too lazy and has his head too far up his own ass to realize all that talent. It really is a shame.
I wonder how much is laziness - And how much is entitlement/Front Runner

Seemed like just a lot of Diva (Speculation alert!) more than anything - and putting him in an offense where he wasn't getting looks or targets and just blocking alot in a contract year - Seemed like a recipe for disaster
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RichH55 wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:14 pm
dplank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:45 pm

It's the big unanswered question on Caleb Williams, who displays some Claypool like immaturity and ego at times. How will a guy like that fit in our locker room? In an ultimate position of leadership no less?
So when people questioned Jenkins maturity/ work ethic - That was them just being pieces of crap - inventing a narrative that we as Fans could never truly know (I kind of agree actually - it's rank speculation)

But for Caleb - we can just take the whispers right to the bank?
“whispers” :thumbsup:

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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:07 pm
RichH55 wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:14 pm

So when people questioned Jenkins maturity/ work ethic - That was them just being pieces of crap - inventing a narrative that we as Fans could never truly know (I kind of agree actually - it's rank speculation)

But for Caleb - we can just take the whispers right to the bank?
“whispers” :thumbsup:

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This is why we need the better block feature lol...I've never had anyone so obsessed with me that they seek out every word I say and try so desperately to get attention. It's just beyond weird, like take a hint dude.
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I mean I don’t know if Caleb impresses Poles and gets drafted.
If he’s the Bears QB I’ll be 100% behind him.

But that reaction to mild adversity is a bit of a concern for me.
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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:07 pm
RichH55 wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:14 pm

So when people questioned Jenkins maturity/ work ethic - That was them just being pieces of crap - inventing a narrative that we as Fans could never truly know (I kind of agree actually - it's rank speculation)

But for Caleb - we can just take the whispers right to the bank?
“whispers” :thumbsup:

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If this was Jenkins he's missing 1-2 weeks - Orbital bone bruise
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Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:23 pm I mean I don’t know if Caleb impresses Poles and gets drafted.
If he’s the Bears QB I’ll be 100% behind him.

But that reaction to mild adversity is a bit of a concern for me.
Easily the biggest risk/issue with the guy, and also one of the hardest areas to scout.
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dplank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:46 pm
Ditka’s dictaphone wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:07 pm

“whispers” :thumbsup:

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This is why we need the better block feature lol...I've never had anyone so obsessed with me that they seek out every word I say and try so desperately to get attention. It's just beyond weird, like take a hint dude.
Isn't that what you said repeatedly whenever anyone had a negative thought to say on Jenkins?

I know, I know - intellectual consistency? Screw that~!
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